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    Quote Originally Posted by BPC
    Wow. Two new baseball stadiums -- not yet even approved -- will be built from scratch, from the ground up, by 2009, but somehow they won't be able to add a glass canopy to an existing building until 2010.
    Some glass roofs on train stations:



    London Paddington.





    Old Familiar, R.I.P.

    All images but the last from Skyscraper Page

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    April 15, 2006 NJ Transit plan eases commute

    By Judy Rife
    Times Herald-Record
    jrife@th-record.comNewark - NJ Transit took another step this week toward increasing capacity at Amtrak's chronically overcrowded Pennsylvania Station in Midtown.
    The agency's directors hired Transit Link Consultants to design a new concourse to connect NJ Transit's operations to the Long Island Rail Road's Eighth Avenue concourse at Penn Station and to the new Moynihan Station on Eighth Avenue.
    At the same time, NJ Transit's platforms that serve tracks one through four will be extended to accommodate longer trains and to connect them to the new concourse.
    For commuters, the result will mean faster and easier movement between the platforms and the station. NJ Transit's four-year-old Seventh Avenue concourse is already overwhelmed, and the staircases to and from the platforms are always choked with people.
    "(The board's) action advances a critical component of our overall plan to expand trans-Hudson capacity and improve the commute to Manhattan," said George Warrington, NJ Transit executive director. "The extended platforms offer more - better and faster vertical access to and from platforms and trains and enable the operation of three to four more trains per hour."
    The work is considered an "early action item" for the agency's Access to the Region's Core project, a $6 billion plan to build a new tunnel between New Jersey and Midtown and a new station beneath 34th Street. The improvements at Penn Station, as well as Moynihan Station, will ultimately be integrated into ARC.
    NJ Transit signed an agreement with a New York economic development agency in November to become the anchor rail tenant at Moynihan Station after Amtrak backed out of the state's plan to turn the former post office into a signature gateway to the city.
    The work at Penn Station and the renovation of Moynihan Station will be completed about the same time, in 2010. If NJ Transit secures federal approval and financing for ARC - something that could happen as early as this year - the new tunnel and station could open in 2015.
    The agency's overarching goal is to double trans-Hudson rail capacity between New Jersey and Manhattan. NJ Transit, which delivers 43,000 people to Penn Station during the rush hours now, expect the number to reach 86,000 in 20 years.
    It has already installed a high-density signal system along Amtrak's tracks leading into Penn Station to allow trains to run closer together. This fall, it will introduce bilevel cars on its Manhattan-bound trains to provide more seats.
    Transit Link Consultants is a joint venture of Parsons Brinckerhoff of Newark and Systra Consulting of Bloomfield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenious
    Posted on Wed, Apr. 12, 2006

    Associated Press

    NEWARK, N.J. - NJ Transit on Wednesday said it would start designing a walkway from New York Penn Station to the planned Moynihan Train Station.
    NJ Transit, which is to be the anchor rail tenant of the new station, expects increased demand by commuters to midtown Manhattan.
    The concourse connecting the two stations should help pedestrian flow as rail service is increased, NJ Transit said.
    The project also includes extending the platforms serving tracks one through four in New York Penn Station to handle longer trains and connect them with the new concourse.
    The new concourse, platform extensions and related improvements to New York Penn Station should be done by 2010, NJ Transit said.
    2010? The revival of New Orleans may even happen before then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Kovata
    2010? The revival of New Orleans may even happen before then!
    I know, 2010 hit me too, but we're more than halfway through this decade. 2010 is just 4 years away -- amazing huh?

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    great roundup of pix, ablarc.

    i'd be willing to wait *20* years to get a station like kyoto (!) or antwerp.

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    The Kyoto station is jaw-dropping! Thanks ablarc.

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    Kyoto is nice, but I would take the Old Penn Station over any of those posted above!

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    From NY DAILY NEWS 4. 25.06:
    On another front, the $818 million plan to transform the Farley Post Office into the Moynihan Station won't be slowed by the developers' reported wish to move Madison Square Garden to the Ninth Ave. end of the complex, Gargano said. Gargano revealed that architect David Childs, previously attached to the project, is back in the picture with a design for a "great hall and huge skylights."

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    Mooooh-lah-an Station

    How Do You Get to Madison Square Garden?The state agency behind the creation of Moynihan Station unveiled a new design today by David Childs, but the biggest question was not answered: What is happening with relocating Madison Square Garden? If the Garden does hop a block west, to the Ninth Avenue backside of what is presently the Farley Post Office and what will become the train station, it would almost certainly require design changes. But the agency's chief, Charles Gargano, would not touch on that, saying that he had seen no proposal. Nor would Vishaan Chakrabarti, whose company, The Related Companies, will lease and develop the non-train portion of the building along with Vornado Realty Trust, show his cards.

    Notice from the adjacent rendering that Childs did not reinstitute the so-called potato-chip skylight that was lost when HOK and Jamie Carpenter took over the project last summer (only to be replaced by Childs shortly afterwards). Why? It would have destroyed the building's facade and hindered the ability of Related and Vornado to qualify for historic preservation tax credits.

    Those credits, Gargano said, were worth "$100 million or even hundreds of millions."

    Which raises the question, Can the Garden move to the backside of Moynihan without disturbing the facade and jeopardizing those tax credits? Since hardly anyone at the press conference would acknowledge that a deal with the Garden was in the works, it made answering that question impossible.

    One thing worth noting that comes up in the General Project Plan: Related and Vornado will be making payments in lieu of taxes--not substantial ones, perhaps, but the city will be getting something out of this deal. More, in fact, than if Madison Square Garden stays where it is with its perpetual tax exemption. All the more reason for Mayor Bloomberg, reluctant until now to get on board the M.S.G., um, train, to embrace his former enemies who own the arena.

    -Matthew Schuerman

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    Now it's just a plain glass ceiling? Whatever, it will probably be redesigned several more times with the Garden's future still in question.

    Old rendering for comparison:

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    They're "value engineering" this thing to death. The developers of this project are going to make a killing -- can't we reserve a little up front for an inspiring architectural gesture?

    By the way, there appears to be another key change in the design: the "pits" on the north (and presumably south) sides of the building are no longer lit. I can't tell if these had been intended to become skylights in the earlier design, but they're certainly not in the latest one.

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    The former, arched glass ceiling rendering nicely recalled the original Penn Station. Turning it into a flat glass ceiling would be a travesty.

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    I'm not sure what part of the roof people are suggesting is now flat, although I do agree that this project continues to get watered down.

    A Look Inside...

    Image from New York Times

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    Those fenestrated walls surrounding the central space: do they remind you of public housing?

    The whole thing looks so bare. Brrrr...

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    More and more inspirational.

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