NYGuy, if you want rabid and uninhibited development, move to China. Why can't we tear down all the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and early 90s reject buildings and replace them with huge towers? Instead, we rape the city of character. We can keep the character and continue growth; it's easy. TEAR DOWN THE ENTIRE MADISON SQUARE GARDEN COMPLEX AND PENN PLAZA AND BUILD SEVERAL 100 STORY-TALL TOWERS. You want growth, that'll do it. And we don't have to destroy character.
NEW GARDEN TO GROW FAST
By TOM TOPOUSIS
May 8, 2007
A massive project to build a new Penn Station and move Madison Square Garden across Eighth Avenue could get started by year's end, says a state economic development official.
Moynihan Station Development Corp. President Robin Stout's comments to Midtown community leaders last week were the first public confirmation that the Spitzer administration would back the project.
The plan also includes three office towers, on top of or near where the Garden is now located, and the new Moynihan Train Station, on the Farley Post Office's Eighth Avenue side.
Stout said that the first phase, building the new Garden, would take five years and that the final phase could be done by 2017.
And in terms of raping the city of culture, just walk down 7th ave and you'll encounter plenty more lined up row after row. You're crying foul about cutting down a tree in the midst of a forest when realistically cutting down that tree will sprout much more culture than what is currently there.
A little optimism wouldn't be so bad for this forum.
Were those the pics that were taken down?
I would point out that the two biggest tourist destinations in the country are (well probably) Orlando (aka Disneyworld) and Las Vegas.
I have no use for Disney, but I love Vegas. However, I fully admit that neither one has much in the way of charm (well maybe Disney, in a artificial, cloying way). Then again, charm may not count for too much when it comes to tourists.
No one has respect for craftsmanship anymore. . . it rarely exists. Instead, you all drool over mindless glass boxes. It's the friggen Hotel Pennsylvania, why is it not a landmark? I think the problem with America is, is that no one has any real taste for aesthetics. The U.S. is ugly, and you're all contempt with that. "Please" my ass.
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ESDC chair gives updates on city projects
by amy zimmer / metro new york
MAY 10, 2007
MIDTOWN. Pat Foye, the Empire State Development Corp’s downstate chairman, who has only been in his position for 129 days, was grilled yesterday at Crain’s New York Business Breakfast forum about several big projects he inherited from the Pataki administration.
On the Javits expansion
The current plan, he said, “provides too little additional exhibit space at too high a cost.” For $1.8 billion, it would only add roughly 300,000 square feet of new revenue-producing space. But Foye said the new plans — which should be announced “shortly” — would remain in the general area of the current proposal, though the city and state are divided over whether it should expand south.
On Moynihan Station
He wouldn’t say Madison Square Garden’s move to Moynihan Station, which would free up space to develop office towers over Penn Station, was a done deal. “Whatever the outcome,” he said, “the value of the [James A. Farley Post Office] as a historical landmark will not succumb to the advertising demands that come with a venue for sports and events. Farley will not become a billboard.”
As for whether MSG gets to keep its subsidies if it moves, he said, “I will leave that up to the city.” But, he added, “One would hope in transactions like that, neither the city or state would be held hostage to private demands.”
He didn’t say when a new station plan would be announced.
On Atlantic Yards
Foye mentioned that ESDC “was on the verge of appointing an ombudsman to act as a liaison between the community, elected officials and various government agencies.”
When asked about the use of eminent domain for the project, “Obviously taking someone’s property without someone’s consent is a serious matter. It should only be used as a last resort, especially with something viewed as a private, not public use.”
There are two eminent domain-related lawsuits against the project, and ESDC intends “to vigorously defend these lawsuits,” Foye said. He doesn’t believe they present an “important obstacle.”
NY: Developers must share cost of new Penn Station
NEW YORK, May 9 (Reuters)
Real estate developers that are expected to profit from the relocation of New York's congested Pennsylvania Station should pay some of the project's huge costs, a co-chairman of the state's development corporation said on Wednesday.
"In a city where taxpayers have seen their pockets depleted by construction overruns that left them on the hook for billions of dollars, we argue that developers who will benefit from the valuable real estate around this transit hub need to help cover those costs," said Patrick Foye, co-chairman of the Empire State Development Corp., according to a copy of a speech delivered at a Crain's New York breakfast.
Later, he told reporters it was premature to estimate how much the developers -- expected to include Vornado Realty Trust (VNO.N: Quote, Profile, Research and The Related Companies -- should contribute.
"They'll be sales taxes, commercial rent (taxes) and income taxes from the persons who work there," he said, listing these levies as potential sources of dollars.
Democratic Gov. Eliot Spitzer inherited the plan to move Penn Station to the nearby Farley Building, in order to develop a much improved transit hub that is to be named in honor of former U.S. Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
New York City has never recovered from the loss of midtown Manhattan's original Pennsylvania Station, torn down decades ago to make way for Madison Square Garden, but the Farley Building has the same majestic appearance.
Foye said he is still reviewing how best to develop the site with shops, office towers, and apartments, but he suggested he likely will propose a single complete plan, noting that former Gov. George Pataki's two-phase approach was twice rejected.
The new Penn Station is just one of the mammoth projects the state and city are readying.
Just west of the Farley Building, for example, the city and the Metropolitan Transportation Authority will soon seek bidders for the mass transit agency's 13-acre western rail yards.
On Wednesday, the Hudson Yards Development Corp. said real estate companies will be offered some 5.7 million square feet of development, with a minimum mix of 20 percent office and 20 percent residential.
The corporation, which leads the city's team, said there will be five acres of public open space, with links to the adjoining 13-acre eastern rail yard site, which also is being opened to development.
The new buildings on the western half will be clumped to the north and south, with the "highest densities" built either on or near 11th Avenue, which splits the site in two, it said.
There will be no official caps on how tall the buildings can be, but they should fall in height toward the west, to preserve Hudson River views, the corporation added.
Work already has started on a $1.8 billion expansion of the nearby Jacob K. Javits Center, the city's main convention hall. Foye promised to soon reveal his improvements for that project; its critics say it costs too much while not adding enough exhibit space or easing truck deliveries.
But Foye faulted a proposal to move the center to Queens, saying it is not a long-term solution because visitors like the current center's location, just a five-minute cab ride from midtown theaters and restaurants.
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The U.S. is NOT "ugly." Take a mean-spirited swipe at somebody else's girlfriend, if you must. Or better, stick to the architecture as this thread is alleged to concern.