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    I can understand the concern about Governors' Island, but from our point of view, I hope the city nails this down. It's the best insurance against the Freedom Tower being whittled down. May even make it more substantial.

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    I would say that at this point the Freedom Tower would be the odds on favorite. Doctoroff is so unpredictable though who knows what kind of power games he'll play.

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    It would make too much sense to have the tower at the WTC, which is why nothing has been decided yet. *Everyone involved with the "freedom tower" would love to have the income from the broadcasters, so all the petty issues involved should be dropped.

    Mr. Grebow said the signal coverage from the 2,000-foot antenna proposed for Bayonne, about 3.5 miles southwest of Manhattan, would be "`roughly equivalent" to that from the old World Trade Center antennas, which rose to 1,750 feet. The proposed trade center tower — a 1,776-foot tower to be known as Freedom Tower, would be even better, Mr. Grebow said, because it is in Manhattan and would be taller than the Empire State Building....... At the same time, it has asked the Bloomberg administration for permission to erect a temporary $60 million tower on Governors Island, while a permanent tower and antenna are built at the trade center site.

    I don't know why they are still insisting on the temporary tower. *The "freedom tower" will be ready in 5 years.

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    The Freedom Tower's antenna, however, will probably take longer than five years to build. About six or seven I'd imagine. The importance of having the temporary tower is so it's not built in Bayonne, which could give the LMDC et al an excuse to reduce or scrap the Freedom Tower. All they have to do is cite the Quinnipiac poll and Grebow's decision to move to Jersey, and they'll get rid of it. We can't let City Hall blow this! We should write letters to Bloomberg and Grebow, and at the same time, write to Bayonne officials and ask them to consider a temporary tower.

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    Quote: from TomAuch on 11:19 pm on May 12, 2003
    The Freedom Tower's antenna, however, will probably take longer than five years to build. About six or seven I'd imagine. The importance of having the temporary tower is so it's not built in Bayonne, which could give the LMDC et al an excuse to reduce or scrap the Freedom Tower.
    The "Freedom Tower" isn't being built specifically for the broadcasters. *The spire was part of Libeskind's plan to "restore the skyline".
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    (Jersey Journal)


    Trouble for TV tower from inside the FAA

    Broadcasters: Hold application in abeyance


    Thursday, May 22, 2003
    By Ronald Leir

    A branch of the Federal Aviation Administration has red-flagged an application by New York City broadcasters to place a 2,000-foot TV antenna at the Peninsula at Bayonne Harbor.

    Pat Smith, a spokesman for the Metropolitan Television Alliance - a coalition of 11 broadcast stations - said that the Alliance was asking "that the application be held in abeyance" after learning that the FAA's Terminal Radar Approach Control unit, known as Tracon, "recommended that the application not be approved."

    Tracon, based in Westbury, L.I., tracks aircraft coming in and out of the Greater New York area.

    FAA spokesman Jim Peters said it wouldn't be appropriate to comment on the report "because we haven't completed our determination on the application, which is now on hold."

    Peters refused to elaborate, but a source knowledgeable about FAA protocol said that Tracon wouldn't be the only branch of the agency to be consulted about the broadcasters' proposal.

    Input from other branches, like Airway Facilities - which oversees maintaining navigational aides - and Flight Standards - which handles aircraft and pilot procedures - would also be consulted, the source said.

    Bayonne officials expressed surprise when told of the development and Joseph Waks, legislative chief of staff to Assemblyman/Mayor Joseph V. Doria Jr., said that as far as the city knows, "The MTVA is still working with the FCC (Federal Communications Commission) and the NJ DEP (New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection) on the project."

    Several months ago, the Bayonne Local Redevelopment Authority voted to give the MTVA the right to build the TV tower on the Peninsula, pending completion of a formal contract stipulating various conditions that the alliance would have to meet in the process, such as building a memorial to the victims of Sept. 11 and providing opportunities for local schoolchildren to learn about broadcasting technology.

    Under that arrangement, Bayonne would stand to receive about $5 million a year in rental and other fees from the MTVA.

    In December, BLRA Executive Director Nancy Kist predicted that having the tower in Bayonne "would serve to spur redevelopment at (the Peninsula) by providing construction and permanent jobs, tax ratables and lease revenues that could be used to further redevelop the Peninsula."

    The MTVA opted to go with Bayonne over Jersey City, which was pitching to locate the tower near the Liberty Science Center, because Jersey City was insisting on placement of an observation deck atop the tower. MTVA President Edward Grebow said safety concerns ruled out having a deck. There also has talk about building a tower on Governor's Island in New York Harbor, but New York City officials have opposed that.

    The broadcasters have been searching for a location for a new tower since the old one was destroyed when the Twin Towers were destroyed on Sept. 11, 2001. Since then, they have signed leases with the Empire State Building for an interim setup. There are plans for a new tower to be built, eventually, on the World Trade Center site in Lower Manhattan.

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    May 21, 2003

    BAYONNE TV TOWER PROPOSAL IN QUESTION

    BY RON MARSICO

    New York City broadcasters have put a hold on plans for a 2,000-foot television tower in Bayonne, requesting that the Federal Aviation Administration at least temporarily suspend its review of the project's viability, officials said yesterday.

    The Metropolitan Television Alliance, a coalition of 11 stations, made its decision after receiving a "negative" review of the plans from the section of the FAA responsible for takeoffs and landings from airports in the New York metropolitan area, said Pat Smith, a spokesman for the alliance. He did not elaborate.

    "We're reconsidering," Smith said. "They (the broadcasters) could decide it's a deal-breaker. (But) they might be able to fix it."

    The MTVA's decision also follows discussions with New York City officials about erecting a temporary tower on Governor's Island in New York Harbor until a permanent one can be placed on the proposed 1,776-foot Freedom Tower that will be built on the World Trade Center site.


    Initially rebuffed in their attempt to locate a permanent tower on Governor's Island, the broadcasters turned to Bayonne, arguing that it would take too long to site a new antenna atop the future Manhattan tower.

    A new tower is needed to improve TV reception in the metropolitan area, which has been spotty for some households without cable since the old tower at the World Trade Center was destroyed.

    Since Sept. 11, 2001, the MTVA has been transmitting from a backup system atop the Empire State Building. Though that system is being upgraded, it is outdated.

    "(The broadcasters) called us and told us to put our determination process on hold. They gave us no reason why," said Jim Peters, an FAA spokesman. "We're abiding by their request. We're not doing any more analysis."

    Peters said he could not comment on Smith's statement that the broadcasters deferred because of the "negative" review of their plans by the FAA section that oversees landings and takeoffs.

    While the broadcasters notified the FAA, they did not tell Bayonne officials of their decision.

    "As far as we know, MTVA is still working with the FAA, FCC (Federal Communications Commission) and DEP (state Department of Environmental Protection) to try to get it done," said Joe Waks, a spokesman for Bayonne Mayor Joseph Doria Jr.

    A tower in Bayonne would generate $5 million a year in rent for the city. Local officials had been willing to host the tower, which would have been the world's highest free-standing structure, on the former Military Ocean Terminal.

    Bayonne had won an in-state competition with Jersey City, which had sought to build a tower adjacent to the Liberty Science Center. Broadcasters opted against a tower in Jersey City, in part because local officials had insisted it include an observation deck.

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    I can't believe it.
    Why would the broadcasters oppose a structure that would include an observation deck ? Do they need secrecy ? Are they afraid of some kind of disruption ? Or do they believe an observation deck would be a target ?

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    Who knows what those people are thinking. *The WTC would include an observation deck and restaurants, not sure of the difference. *Maybe an excuse to kill the JC option? *As far as the FAA, I sense state politicians at work somewhere in the background.....

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    That all sounds right. Also, I always got the feeling they didn't want an observation deck because they want to build the cheapest piece of crap they can get away with. The "security issues" were the excuse. Now we can only hope that it goes on the Freedom Tower so nothing so cheesy lines the shores of our spectacular harbor. And better yet, that might somehow beef up the tower.

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    and also provide the impetus to build fast.

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    (NY Times)

    TV Stations to Put Antennas on New Ground Zero Tower
    By DAVID W. DUNLAP

    The 1,776-foot Freedom Tower planned at the World Trade Center site is meant to send a signal of resilience to the world. Now it will also be designed to send signals of another kind to households from the New Jersey Shore to the end of Long Island to Fairfield County, Conn.

    Specifically, Channels 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 31, 41, 47 and 68.

    On Tuesday, the Metropolitan Television Alliance signed an agreement with Larry A. Silverstein, the leaseholder and developer at the trade center site, to install as many as 22 antennas atop Freedom Tower, to be completed in 2008.

    Freedom Tower is being designed by Studio Daniel Libeskind. There would be roughly 70 occupied floors, reaching 900 feet, and the upper half of the structure would be more of an open latticework.


    Some antennas could be mounted in the mast that Mr. Libeskind has already designed as the pinnacle of the tower, said Edward Grebow, president of the broadcasters' alliance. Others could be mounted within the latticework.

    The new agreement would return New York broadcasters to the site they occupied before Sept. 11, 2001. It would also bring Mr. Silverstein a rent-paying tenant — "That always helps," he said yesterday — that needs space at altitudes where many office workers feel uncomfortable.

    And, Mr. Grebow said, "It guarantees that Manhattan will dominate the skyline."

    Until recently, the broadcasters had given serious consideration to constructing a 2,000-foot mast in Bayonne, N.J. Only two months ago, Mr. Grebow said the Bayonne mast would "dwarf the Libeskind tower at the trade center, which, believe us, is not what we want but where we are being forced to go."

    In April, however, Mr. Grebow attended a luncheon at which Gov. George E. Pataki set out aggressive goals for redeveloping Lower Manhattan. "I came away thinking for the first time, `Yes, this is going to happen in a plausible time frame,' " he recalled.

    Under this timetable, Mr. Pataki asked Mr. Silverstein to pledge that the cornerstone for Freedom Tower would be laid in August 2004. "I told him we'd do that," Mr. Silverstein said. The governor also asked that the steel be topped out on Sept. 11, 2006. "I said we'd endeavor to do that," Mr. Silverstein said.

    There are many unknowns about the Freedom Tower project, including the exact design of the building and the cost. The broadcasters would "pay our way" in construction costs for the antennas, Mr. Grebow said, and would also pay rent to Mr. Silverstein, who was their landlord at the World Trade Center, where they paid about $9 million a year.

    Since the attack, broadcasters have been using the Empire State Building as a stopgap to reach the 700,000 households in the metropolitan area that do not have cable. Their search for a new site has led them to consider Governors Island, Jersey City and Brooklyn.

    The broadcasters' architects are Kohn Pedersen Fox Associates, which would advise them on the Freedom Tower installation, working with Mr. Libeskind and with Mr. Silverstein's architects, Skidmore, Owings & Merrill.

    "One of our big challenges will be to make the antennas aesthetically pleasing," Mr. Grebow said. They range in height from several hundred feet to 30 or 40 feet, he said, and could be concealed within a shell of fiberglasslike material. Twenty-two antennas are needed to accommodate both analog and digital signals from each of the 11 stations, but some channels could be combined.

    Members of the alliance are WCBS (Channel 2), WNBC (4), WNYW (5), WABC (7), WWOR (9), WPIX (11), WNET (13), WPXN (31), WXTV (41), WNJU (47) and WFUT (68).

    "What better place for them to be than in New York," Mr. Silverstein said, "from whence they came and where they've always operated."

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    Freedom Tower is being designed by Studio Daniel Libeskind. There would be roughly 70 occupied floors, reaching 900 feet, and the upper half of the structure would be more of an open latticework.[/b]
    900 feet? open lattice work? *hopefully they got these wrong

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    I figured the WTC site had the best chance of getting the broadcasters. I guess this also means we have the temporary tower to look forward to on Gov's Island? Funny how the article doesn't mention it.

    As far as the office part of the tower goes the reporter has obviously gotten his information from Silverstein. Therefore the "open latticework" and "roughly 70 stories/900 feet" are just Silverstein spouting off for his preferred design by SOM. I wonder how they estimate at height when they don't even have an exact floor count. If its true though then a pox on Silverstein.

    And, Mr. Grebow said, "It guarantees that Manhattan will dominate the skyline."
    I wonder how upset Jersey is about that statement.

    I also prefer KPF to be involved over SOM. I'm also happy that they're concerned over the aesthetics and like the idea of imbedding the antennas within the structural height of the tower.

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    Quote: from TAFisher123 on 8:31 am on May 29, 2003
    Freedom Tower is being designed by Studio Daniel Libeskind. There would be roughly 70 occupied floors, reaching 900 feet, and the upper half of the structure would be more of an open latticework.[/b]
    900 feet? open lattice work? *hopefully they got these wrong

    Well, we already knew that the upper portion of the tower would be mostly open, and the 70-story tower would be in the 900 to 1000 ft range. *The exact height isn't given of course.

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    I guess the Freedom Tower will have quite a different look in the next renderings. Good, this was the best option for everyone (except Bayonne).

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