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    Yes. We're the economic engine for the rest of the state, and then we're forced to give so much $ to Albany, and have to ask for it back. And let's face it, most of NY State out of the metro area is pretty crappy, with the exception of New Paltz, Woodstock etc.

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    I agree. NY also is socially disjointed with the rest of the state which is quite conservative.

    I have wanted NYC, Westchester and LI to become its own state for many years. NY also gives far more to DC than it gets back. This also might change if NY becomes a state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by londonlawyer View Post
    I agree. NY also is socially disjointed with the rest of the state which is quite conservative.

    I have wanted NYC, Westchester and LI to become its own state for many years. NY also gives far more to DC than it gets back. This also might change if NY becomes a state.
    The one's who should split is Staten Island, they've been getting the shaft from NYC. Poor transit, trash dumps, terrible zoning. Maybe Jersey will take them.

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    The Port Authority has the money for the soaring Calatravo station (even at 2x the original plan) because of their bridge and tunnel tolls.
    The Port Authority generates revenues from the six NYC-NJ crossings, the Ports, and the four airports. The only area of PA operations that operates at a deficit is the PATH system, the Bridge and Tunnel toll revenues though more than offset the PATH operating deficit.

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    Back when Staten Island tried to secede, they made it very clear they didn't want to join N.J., but if you look at a map, the two look more connected.

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    We've all heard the stories about how Staten Island ended up in New York instead of New Jersey, but I just can't but think how much better off Staten Island would have been if it were in New Jersey instead on NYC. For one thing there wouldn't be the landfills, second they would probably taken zoning seriously.

    The Island would be probably one of the most affluent suburbs of New York City if it weren't in the City, it's got beautiful vistas from the North shore and some great topography (Todt Hill etc..) that could have benefited from some better planning and zoning.

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    The main problem with Staten Island is it being so difficult for a commute to Manhattan, compared to Brooklyn or N.J.

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    Staten Island could have just as easily become highly industrialized. You can't predict what would happen if an area's political attachment is hypothetically switched.

    Newark Bay once looked like Jamaica Bay. Jamaica Bay was destined to become like Newark Bay, when Brooklyn was still a city.

    You never know.

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    Fulton Street Transit Hub on track
    Funding is in hand and schedules are in place

    Though construction plans at the World Trade Center site are stalled, the Fulton Street Transit Center is back on track. At last night's meeting of Community Board 1's World Trade Center Redevelopment Committee, Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) representatives reported that consensus has been reached on costs and schedules, and that funding is now in place to deliver on the project's original goals.

    The funds include $847 million from the federal government, $129 million from the MTA and $424 million in stimulus funds, for a total of $1,400 million. The majority of the money will go to complete construction below ground.

    Some of the milestones include completion of the northbound platform of the R/W Cortlandt Street station by December 2009, a new entrance at William Street by May 2011, a new connection from the A/C to the 4/5 trains at Fulton Street by August 2011, a rehabilitated 4/5 Fulton Street station and a new entrance at Dey Street by July 2012 and a new escalator to John Street and the opening of the Dey Street concourse by November 2012.

    By December of 2012, the MTA expects to have restored the Corbin Building and added first floor retail space. The Transit Center building with its glass oculus is expected to open in June 2014.

    "This is a positive step in rebuilding our community, which was interrupted on 9/11 and again with the recent financial downtown," said World Trade Center Redevelopment Chair Catherine McVay Hughes. She noted that "the MTA will have about 25,000 square feet of retail space that will address the needs of a 24/7 community."

    The MTA has committed to quarterly updates, she said, "and will bring their retail consultant at the appropriate time."


    - Terese Loeb Kreuzer

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    Very nice! That's excellent news from a perpetually bleak place.

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    I'm looking for claims that the project is broke somewhere toward the end of Q4 2009 or Q1 2010.

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    Original Fulton Transit Center Design Returns


    With the stimulus funds, the transit center moves forward
    Last month’s announcement that the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) will build the Fulton Street Transit Center as originally planned was great news for the downtown community. In addition to improvements on the subterranean maze that the new Transit Center will replace -- such as improved wayfinding, less train congestion, more retail, and a generally superior commuter experience -- the station-construction plan also lays out a series of “progressive roll-outs” to benefit subway riders.

    View the MTA’s May 28, 2009 Fulton Street Transit Center presentation here. http://www.lowermanhattan.info/extra...esentation.pdf

    View a slide show of the Fulton Street Transit Center http://www.lowermanhattan.info/const...=10&position=5

    According to the new schedule, June 2014 is the estimated completion date for the Transit Center’s main building, located at Broadway and Fulton Street. Home to 26,000 square feet of retail across four stories, the building will link to the historic, renovated Corbin Building and the new Dey Street Pedestrian Concourse. Once complete, the expansive station will be the underground hub of 12 subway lines and the World Trade Center (WTC) PATH station.

    But before the Transit Center complex fully opens to the public, MTA capital planners have established a phased schedule for the various projects that comprise the $1.4 billion plan. Each component is distinguished by distinct contracts, each with its own estimated timeline:

    Feb 2009 – Dec 2009: Northbound R/W Cortlandt platform
    Aug 2009 – May 2011: New entrance at William Street
    Aug 2009 – Mar 2013: A/C mezzanine and J/M/Z elevators
    Sep 2009 – July 2012: 4/5 Fulton station rehabilitation and Dey Street Headhouse
    Mar 2010 – Dec 2012: Corbin Building restoration
    Sep 2010 – Nov 2012: Dey Street Concourse completion; 4/5 and R/W underpass finishes (work follows foundation completion for main building)
    Jan 2011 – Jun 2014: Transit Center building construction
    Two additional projects are planned, though dates will not be confirmed until construction plans are finalized with the Port Authority’s WTC east-side work. They are, tentatively:

    Mar 2010 – Sep 2011: Southbound R/W Cortlandt platform
    Ending appx. June 2014: R/W to E connector
    The MTA already has rolled out several Transit Center elements, including opening new 4/5 platform entrances in 2007, and rehabilitating the 2/3 station in 2006. In 2008, the agency completed structural work on the Dey Street concourse box, with interior finishing work and entrance construction remaining.

    At the June 8th Community Board 1 meeting, MTA Capital Construction President Michael Horodniceanu and station planners noted that the Transit Center is expected to earn LEED certification for “green” building. The main building will have four entrances, each with escalators, with all subway stops in the new station renamed “Fulton Street.”

    The original Transit Center and main-building design, which were scaled back and then nearly abandoned due to budget constraints, returned intact thanks to $424 million in federal stimulus funding. It includes all of the planned efficiencies and grand architecture unveiled in 2004. The design centers on innovative use of daylight to help illuminate the dark, narrow corridors of the existing Fulton Street station using an oculus -- a 52-foot-tall, asymmetric steel cylinder, with reflective material within and topped by a transparent skylight. With the oculus, the Transit Center building will stand 104 feet above the street.

    The oculus will rise out of the four-story, square pavilion on Broadway, funneling natural light down into the station, mezzanine, and eventually the train platforms. Grimshaw Architects and Arup Engineers designed the oculus with the help of architect James Carpenter, a specialist in the use of light as a key design component. (Read more about Carpenter’s work here.)

    Ultimately, the Transit Center will link five separate subway stations that, nearly a century ago, were built by competing transit companies that never planned for them to interconnect. The station’s underground complex will tie into the WTC Transportation Hub, linking it to Battery Park City -- and eventually creating an ADA-compliant passage from the Hudson River to the South Street Seaport.

    Currently, at the Broadway and Fulton site, crews are installing secant piles 95 feet deep to form the retaining wall that allows for mass excavation followed by foundation construction. Contracts for several station components will be awarded late this summer, and all contracts out by January 2011.

    “I will ensure that that the [Transit Center] is completed,” said Horodniceanu. “We’re moving along swiftly. We plan to have a very aggressive schedule and to stick to it -- and beat it if we can.”

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    Curbed had an story about this the other day with updated renderings:

    http://curbed.com/archives/2009/10/0...ppy_future.php

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    Well what do you know, THIS is what I took a picture of in July. I saw those rock drilling rigs and I didn't know what the site was so I snapped a picture. Three months later I now know.

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