Fulton Street Transit Center

[Enigmatism415]

New sign is up, but it curiously omits the R train. Isn't that one of the main purposes of this tunnel, besides access to the WTC?

[ZippyTheChimp]

Is the Dey St passageway set to open at the end of the month, or just the headhouse?

[Enigmatism415]

http://www.lowermanhattan.info/news/...irs_99390.aspx

"It [Dey Street entry house] is expected to open approximately late July, with access to the rehabilitated 4/5 subway platforms and the new Dey Street Concourse"

You have a point, it doesn't outright proclaim the Dey Street Passageway to be opening on that date per se, but it strongly implies it. After all, to where could the headhouse lead if not the passageway? Even if it doesn't yet connect to the R, would it not have to employ significant sections of the Dey Street passageway to reach the 4/5 platforms nevertheless?

On a side note, I was able to get a full-on northern view of the Dey St. Concourse from the R uptown/downtown underpass a few days ago; it appeared to be close to completion.

[ZippyTheChimp]

I had seen that earlier. I found something more specific:

Feb 2012 quarterly report to CB1. Schedule on page 46 - Dey St entrance opens in July. Dey St concourse opens in Nov.
http://www.mta.info/capconstr/fstc/d...1%20Update.pdf.

[Enigmatism415]

Thank you for that Quarterly, it was quite informative.

The finished render of the Dey Street Concourse doesn't seem to show the B2 connection to the WTC Transit Hub, interesting.

[O' Daniel]

^Whoever was in charge to produce the renderings didn't receive the papers of the hub. Anyways people passing the Dey Street Concourse will reach a sort of antechamber were they can either take the stairs and reach the R/N platforms or continue walk and enter to the hub (glass doors will divide the "antechamber" and the hub). Once they enter to the hub they'll be standing on the B2M level, a mezzanine positioned at the same elevation as the Dey St. Concourse, a grand staircase and a couple of escalators at the sides will connect the mezzanine with B2 Level. The mezzanine is also connected to the upper levels by escalators, stairs and 2 elevators.

Take a look to this Brookfield animation, not completely accurate but should clear your questions.

[Enigmatism415]

Take a look to this Brookfield animation, not completely accurate but should clear your questions.

I'm familiar with this animation; the entire stretch before the glass doors of the Transit Hub is completely and obviously inaccurate. However, the segment beyond those glass doors seems to adequately illustrate what you are describing.

[Sherpa]

Water main project to span four years, spurting tension

July 18, 2012 | Filed under: News | Posted by: admin

D.D.C. Assistant Commissioner Thomas Foley addresses concerns about the Broadway reconstruction plan at C.B. 1′s Financial District Committee meeting on July 10. Downtown Express photo by Sam Spokony

BY SAM SPOKONY | Financial District residents aren’t going to have much time to sit back and admire the completion of the M.T.A’s Fulton Center subway station currently being constructed around their neighborhood. They’ll be in the thick of it again next spring when Lower Broadway goes under the jackhammer.
The city Department of Design and Construction (D.C.C.) presented its plan for a four-year reconstruction project on Broadway, between Ann and Rector Streets, to C.B. 1’s Financial District Committee meeting on Tues., July 10, amid groans from committee members.
The project, slated to run from spring 2013 to spring 2017, will serve primarily to replace water mains, sewers and other elements of utility infrastructure that date back to the 1960s, according to D.D.C. Assistant Commissioner Thomas Foley. The road surface will also be replaced, including the removal of trolley tracks that have been in place even longer than the utilities underneath.
“There’s been no major reconstruction on Broadway for the last 50 years, and our intent in this case is to make sure there’s no major work needed for another 50,” said Foley, adding that the project carries a price tag of approximately $48 million.
Foley was present at the July 10 committee meeting, along with Maria Centeno, the D.D.C.’s executive director of community outreach and notification, who presented the construction plans.
While the majority of the work will take place on and underneath the roadway, the project will also include constructing a new sidewalk extension at the intersection of Broadway and Ann Street.
As Centeno spoke and read from a PowerPoint outline, committee member Joel Kopel couldn’t hold back his frustration. “You’re coming to us just as the World Trade Center is almost finished, and you’re telling us we have to go through another four years of this — and four years of our water being turned off?” Kopel exclaimed. His fellow committee members prevented him from continuing in order to allow Centeno to finish, but acknowledged they were also displeased.
Centeno responded to concerns from the board — which she said she had expected — by stressing that her office will provide an on-site community construction liaison to act as a point of contact between the D.D.C. and residents. The liaison, along with a staff person, will provide general project updates as well as advance notifications about temporary water shutdowns resulting from the water main replacements, she said.
Foley asserted, in an interview with the Downtown Express several days after the committee meeting, that he didn’t believe the water shutdowns would be extensive or overly disruptive.
“It’s not as if the business and residential communities will be without water for four years,” he said. ”The impact is basically that there will be two or three days where people are without water from 8 a.m. to 4 p.m.”
Aside from the utility issues, committee chair Ro Sheffe made clear his concerns about problems with vehicular traffic that will arise when the D.D.C. project overlaps construction on the Fulton Center at Fulton Street and Broadway, not scheduled to be completed until June 2014.
“We all recognize that the work needs to be done, but it’s just incredibly unfortunate timing,” said Sheffe. “I don’t see how this project could possibly begin until the lane of Broadway that’s been closed by the Fulton Center construction is reopened because it’s going to become too narrow.”
Foley stated that the D.D.C. was well aware of those potential problems and would mitigate the additional traffic flow issues by placing more traffic enforcement agents on the street than are generally provided for similar projects. He added that “hundreds of thousands of dollars” would be provided to hire both vehicle and pedestrian flaggers to direct traffic.
According to the D.D.C. plans, the Broadway reconstruction will begin on the two blocks between Ann and John Streets next spring — moving southward after about 18 months — and will affect eight heavily trafficked blocks, including the Fulton Center site. Foley said that choice was made in order to give the D.D.C. the ability to complete all the necessary work in that area, and subsequently clear out, before the Fulton Center opened its doors to the public.
“What we didn’t want to happen was to have the M.T.A. doing the station’s ribbon cutting while we’re simultaneous reconstructing the street right in front of them,” said Foley.
In addition to the Fulton Center, construction on a new Pace University dormitory at Broadway and John Street has placed strain on Financial District residents and roadways over the past several months. The D.D.C. also has ongoing water main replacement projects on Hudson and Chambers Streets.

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David Colman· 2 days ago


This is frankly unbelievable.

After September 11th, which I can easily say without hyperbole was the worst experience I ever went through, as it probably was for everyone who was down here that day, a strange thing happened. People would ask me if I felt the attacks were personal. Personal? I wondered. I would have to be pretty delusional and self-centered to think that. How could anyone think they were personal? I chalked it up to the many ways we all react to tragedy.

But this -- this feels personal. After all the truly insane degree of infra-structuring we have endured down here since September 11th, all of it engineered by people who claim to have the best interests of the area at heart, this feels like the last straw. Just as the most onerous and troublesome project of all, right in the heart of the hood comes to a close -- the grandiose, $10 billion subway entrance that MTA officials have misspent more than a decade completing at the corner of Fulton and Bway -- the idea that the same &%$#$#@ stretch of Broadway is going to be ripped up to replace water mains is just infuriating.

Do the people making these incredibly stupid decisions ever come to the area? Spend the night? Take a good hard look at the kind of destruction their construction has wrought? Do they have any idea the kind of atmosphere they have created down here? It is a war zone, pure and simple. What is saddest of all is that the gallery of criminal nitwits is so broad -- greedy, thoughtless developers; inept, unprofessional, thoughtless ConEd officials; grandiose, corrupt, thoughtless MTA officials; bumbling, thoughtless city planners. There's a heaping helping of @#$%& idiot pie for everyone, and I for one am really, really tired of watching them all gobble it down like there's no tomorrow.


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Barbara Minsky· 2 days ago


Finally, some accuracy & truth. After 9/11, people were encouraged to move here. The residential population tripled to about 28,000 people. Instead of serving them, they destroy their lives with all the construction, no schools for their kids and they make noises like it's actually "good" for them. Pipes are 100 years old or 50 years old or they don't know how old, maybe their even new, but after you destroy the ability to live with all kinds of pollution, sometimes 24 hours a day, for 3 years, and 5 minutes later, come up with an idea to further rip the neighborhood apart for another 4 years.........................what is actually motivating these people. Certainly they don't give a damm about the people living here.
Give us a break and do this in 5 years. If the water mains are 50 years old, they can be 55 years old. David said it best though, there is no thought for residents, there is no thought, period.

[Enigmatism415]

The perfect storm in the Financial District...

Can someone put me in a coma and wake me up when downtown is once again a nice place to live? I am sick of this. David Colman is right, it's a bloody war zone and has been for over a decade. More crap is piling up sooner than anything is clearing up. What really frustrates me is that it didn't have to take so long to finish everything... it's the damned bureaucracy, petty quarreling, and the dismal economy. It would never take this long on the Chinese mainland, or even Chicago for that matter.

I am moving back to SF next year and do not wish to return until the final construction vehicle has left the area. It's safe to say I'll miss NYC, but I've been missing NYC since 9/11/01.

[stache]

Like they say, 'It'll be great when it's finished'!

[Sherpa]

• Dey Street entry house, at the southwest corner of Broadway and Dey, construction mobilized in spring 2010 for completion by July 31, 2012 (contractor WDF Construction).
• Finishing work on the Dey Street underground pedestrian concourse (to link the FSTC with the World Trade Center Transportation Hub) through July 31, 2012 (contractor Skanska Construction)

[Sherpa]

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[RoldanTTLB]

That sign suggests the head house is opening only to the 4/5. They will probably close the entrance across the st. immediately for rehabbing.

[Enigmatism415]

That sign suggests the head house is opening only to the 4/5. They will probably close the entrance across the st. immediately for rehabbing.

I was thinking this would be the case too; once they open the head house, they can close off the temporary entrance to the transit center to allow for continued glass installation.

Various MTA advertisements seen inside subway cars indicate that the opening of the underground passageway is not too far behind, employing language like "later this summer" or "end of the summer."

[Sherpa]

Walked by and not open yet!!