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    There is already too little school space Downtown and with all of the development underway the problem will get worse even if the plans for Sites 5B and 5C stall. The city must not make the same type of urban planning mistakes it made condemning the 5B and 5C land almost half a century ago by allowing the new site plans to go forward without a plan to take care of the school, recreation and open space needs of Lower Manhattan.
    Then why not fight for a plan that takes care of the school problem. Obviously it must not be the real issue and they are using their own children as a tactic to stop more people from moving into their neighborhood :roll:

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    'Erotic Gherkin' architect bowing out

    June 30, 2004

    Celebrity architect Sir Norman Foster was a big selling point for a controversial plan to build a residential skyscraper on city-owned land three blocks north of Ground Zero. But now he has quit the project.

    "It's a disappointment," said city Councilman Alan Gerson (D-Manhattan).

    Pritzker Prize-winning Lord Foster - whose recent creation, a corporate headquarters nicknamed the "Erotic Gherkin," is the talk of London - designed a 35-story apartment tower for a site the Resnick family wants to develop on West, Chambers and Warren streets.

    Lord Foster's office in London did not respond to a call asking why he resigned. But sources said he was frustrated by the public-review process that goes along with developing city-owned land in New York.

    That process is ongoing. Gerson and Community Board 1 chair Madelyn Wils are negotiating with the city on behalf of area residents to cut the project height from its current 360 feet. They've also asked that the development have a community recreation facility with an indoor swimming pool - instead of a basketball half-court, which was originally promised.

    Something of Lord Foster's flair is expected to be evident in the project's final form. The Resnicks paid him for his design - and plan to use as much of it as they can.

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    Sad news for the area... :cry:

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    Bravo for the NIMBYs and the city bureaucracy. They've obviously improved the city for all of us! :roll:

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    310 feet at Site 5C?

    The proposed Tribeca tower at Chambers and West Sts. is likely to be about 310 feet, although there are remaining sticking points in the negotiations between developers, community representatives and the city, according to a source familiar with the discussions.

    The city is planning to sell the vacant lot known as Site 5C to developer Scott Resnick, who had hoped to build a 360-foot apartment building. Community Board 1 opposed the project, calling for a 250-foot building at the site that is behind P.S. 234 and bounded by Warren, West and Chambers Sts. Resnick, Madelyn Wils, chairperson of Community Board 1, Dep. Mayor Dan Doctoroff and Councilmember Alan Gerson are the principal negotiators on the deal. The project requires City Council approval.

    According to the source, Wils and Gerson are trying to get 5,000 to 6,000 more usable square feet in the building’s proposed recreation center for a total of 28,000 and to expand the center’s swimming pool to a regulation size 25 meters, or just over 75 feet. The source said there is general agreement on the building’s size, about 310 feet, although it may be closer to 320 feet if you include the mechanical equipment on top.

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    what about site 5-b, 270 greenwich street is a dead deal whats next there?

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    Light at the end of the tunnel...

    Gerson, city sign Downtown school deal

    By Josh Rogers

    The city and community leaders have reached a deal to build residential towers on two Tribeca sites and a new pre-K - 8 school on the East Side of Lower Manhattan.

    The deal also includes a 10,000-square-foot annex to relieve the overcrowding at P.S. 234, a 30,000-square-foot rec center with a gym and a regulation-size pool, according to City Councilmember Alan Gerson who signed the deal with Dep. Mayor Dan Doctoroff Wed., Sept. 8. Madelyn Wils, chairperson of Community Board 1, was part of the months-long negotiations and Gerson said he would not have signed the deal without her approval.

    The first choice for the school site is 250 Water St. in the South Street Seaport Historic District and the city would likely have to acquire the parking-lot site from Milstein Properties through eminent domain. Gerson said the city is required to make its best efforts to find a school site south of the Brooklyn Bridge and east of Broadway and if the city fails to get a site somewhere Downtown, it will make it extremely difficult for the city to proceed with the rest of its development plans in Tribeca.

    The City Council on Thursday approved the plans for a 300-foot building at Site 5C, located behind P.S. 234, but the buildings planned for Site 5B across the street have not yet come before the Council. Site 5B would have buildings of 375, 200 and 135 feet, with the larger two on West St. Under the agreement, the developer must make sincere efforts to bring in a supermarket, and according to one source, representatives of the developer, Edward Minskoff, suggested they would try to get the popular Whole Foods to open in Tribeca. Minskoff did not return a call for comment.

    Gerson called the deal a “major accomplishment” and added, “there was more than one shouting match with the deputy mayor. In the end, the community came out really well.”

    Reported School/Tribeca Development Deal

    Terms of a deal signed by Dep. Mayor Dan Doctoroff and Councilmemer Alan Gerson, as outlined by Gerson. The deal also includes building a pre-K – 8 school on Lower Manhattan’s East Side. Aspects of the deal were confirmed by other sources.

    Gerson said Site 5C will have the 300-foot building along West St., an 85-foot building with the community rec center and school annex on Warren St., and an 85-foot residential building. Norman Foster, a prominent British architect who was in the running to design the new World Trade Center, will design the apartment buildings for developer Scott Resnick, who did not return a call for comment.

    Doctoroff declined to speak about the deal’s specifics but said it includes “very, very attractive community facilities and amenities that the community really needs.” Speaking to reporters as he was leaving a meeting of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, Doctoroff said a school site has been picked but he did not confirm it was 250 Water St. Several sources who either participated in the negotiations or who were briefed regularly said 250 Water St. is the first choice.

    Wils, who attended the same L.M.D.C. meeting, was considerably less enthusiastic about the deal than Gerson. “Compromise is when everybody is a little unhappy,” she said. “I’m a little unhappy.”

    Gerson said he and Wils fought as hard as they could to make the buildings as small as possible and to maximize the school and community space.

    School needs and zoning

    Paul Hovitz, chairperson of C.B. 1’s Youth and Education committee, said there’s a desperate need for a new school in Lower Manhattan and he was pleased that it would be on the East Side. “All of our schools are overpopulated,” he said.

    P.S. 234 at Greenwich and Chambers Sts. is the most overcrowded school in Lower Manhattan and it consistently is a leader in reading and math scores across the city. Hovitz said the new school would have to be academically rigorous — otherwise parents in the Seaport and the Financial District will still fight to get into 234.

    Gerson said school zoning issues have not been decided, but under the agreement, only children living in areas that have first priority for P.S. 234 and P.S. 89 in Battery Park City will be eligible to have first priority in the new school. Currently, children living in Tribeca, the Seaport and the Financial District are guaranteed seats at 234 and B.P.C. children have first dibs at 89.

    The new agreement means children living in the nearby Smith Houses will not be guaranteed a spot in the new school. At least a few parents living in the new school’s zone have quietly expressed concerns about Smith House residents attending the new school, fearing the housing complex’s less affluent residents might make the school less desirable. Gerson said in all likelihood, Smith residents would be able to attend the new elementary school if it is not filled with children living in the first-priority boundaries. Presumably these boundaries would include the Seaport and the Financial District. They could include Tribeca and B.P.C., but they may not.

    The Tribeca school annex on the same block as P.S. 234 will include pre-K classes and may include kindergarten too. P.S. 234, which has 715 students in a building built for 585, will have more room for older children once the annex is built, which could be in two years. Sandy Bridges, the school’s principal told Downtown Express last week that she had to use her computer room as a classroom this year and she will have to make more sacrifices next year.

    Gerson said the new school should open in 2006 or 2007 before the Site 5B buildings.

    Water St. site

    The Site 5B plans could be before the community board within a few months and Gerson said it would be reasonable for C.B. 1 to expect the city to acquire the school site before the board recommends approving Site 5B.

    George Arzt, a spokesperson for Milstein, said there is pending litigation with the city over 250 Water St. and his client would resist any effort to take it.

    The vacant site was in the landmark district when the Milsteins bought it almost 20 years ago. They have proposed many designs for the block, but all but one were blocked by the Landmarks Preservation Commission, which said the proposed towers were too tall for a district made up mostly of 19th century, structures of five and six stories. The commission approved one 14-story office building 10 years ago, but the project stalled because of a crumbling real estate market. Last year, the city changed the zoning in the landmark district and Milstein sued.

    “Not only do we contend that it was an illegal act to downgrade the zoning, now they want to be punitive and take it away entirely,” Arzt said Thursday.

    Gerson said the eminent domain proceedings would supersede the lawsuit and the Milsteins could make the same arguments about the zoning in a new forum. Gerson said if the Milsteins proved the zoning change was illegal, it would cost the city more to acquire the site. He said the whole issue could be resolved this year.

    The city has $44 million in its capital budget for the school and Gerson said it will cost $25 million more to build. Doctoroff said Thursday that he expected the L.M.D.C. would contribute an unspecified amount for the school. The city controls half the L.M.D.C. board and it may not be difficult for Doctoroff to get $25 million out of the agency’s remaining $860 million.

    The L.M.D.C. has already designated $50 million to build 315 affordable housing units at Site 5B, but Doctoroff said the city will spend the money other places in Lower Manhattan to build and preserve “substantially more” affordable apartments than would have been built at 5B.

    Gerson agreed this would be a much more efficient use of the money and said Knickerbocker Village and Lands End 1 on the East Side, and Gateway Plaza in Battery Park City are three possible places the money could be used to keep middle class people in Lower Manhattan.

    Details on Sites 5B and 5C

    Many residents oppose tall buildings on the two Tribeca sites because they say the structures would dwarf buildings nearby and cast too many shadows on Washington Market Park and the P.S. 234 schoolyard. Gerson said putting the taller buildings on West St. would take the office bulk further away from smaller buildings. The 370-foot building would have a few large setbacks after 330 feet so it will not seem as tall as it is, he added.

    Gerson said Minskoff wanted to build a fourth building at Site 5B and one of the last sticking points was giving C.B. 1 the power to veto a fourth residential building. The block will also have low-rise retail structures, possibly with the supermarket. Sheldrake Organization, an experienced residential developer has been talking with Minskoff about joining the project, according to two sources not connected with the developers.

    At Site 5C, there would be 300-foot and 285-foot buildings on West St. along with the two 85-foot buildings with the rec center, annex and more apartments.

    Gerson said there were many details that held up the talks along the way. Making sure the pool would be regulation – 75 feet and one inch – took time, as did moving a column off the basketball court. In addition to Wils, Gerson said Bob Townley, executive director of Manhattan Youth, the expected operator of the Site 5C rec center, signed off on the 5C center details.

    And there was one more item that the community representatives fought for and won. On the hot days when noisy construction is going on all around them, P.S. 234 students will be able to ask their teachers to close the gym windows, because they are getting air-conditioning in the gym, the only part of the building that doesn’t have it.

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    January 2005

    A 400-unit tower four blocks north of Ground Zero is being planned by a Resnick family partnership. The city’s Economic Development Corp. signed off on the sale of the land in December allowing the project to go forward. The 383,000-square-foot building will include either market-rate rentals or condos, and construction is expected to begin this month. The project will also include a community facility and space to be leased to P.S. 234.

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    Plan luxury condos near Ground Zero

    Here's a first look at a rare Tribeca South high-rise development - which will start coming out of the ground very soon.

    It will be an elegant 30-story tower with a seven-story companion building, as a rendering by Costas Kondylis' architecture firm shows. It will house 260 luxury condos.

    Developer Scott Resnick has cleared the site - a parking lot at West, Chambers and Warren streets next to PS 234. Construction will begin Feb. 1, and is to be finished in fall 2006, Resnick told the Daily News.

    The development - three blocks north of Ground Zero - will use 200 Chambers St. as its address.

    The property was a city urban-renewal site known as Site 5C. For two decades, area residents successfully opposed plans there for big projects, saying that they'd overwhelm the surrounding low-rise neighborhood.

    Last fall, a compromise was reached, as The News first reported, in negotiations between Community Board 1 chairwoman Madelyn Wils and City Councilman Alan Gerson (D-Manhattan), on behalf of community residents, and Deputy Mayor Dan Doctoroff.

    They agreed that the height of the building will be cut to 30 stories. Originally it was to be 40 floors tall, then 36 stories.

    They agreed that the property will have an Olympic-size swimming pool in a community center, and a pre-K and kindergarten feeder school for PS 234.

    "I and my family are so proud to have come this far," said Resnick, who has devoted five years to the project. "Everybody wins."

    Initially, celebrity architect Sir Norman Foster was involved in its design. But last summer, Lord Foster - whose London office tower for Swiss Re is nicknamed "the Erotic Gherkin" - quit the project. Kondylis, who'd been collaborating with Lord Foster, took charge.

    Originally published on January 17, 2005

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    It looks similar to the old rendering from architect Norman Foster and the Resnick family from the past... Maybe they desided to stick to the same tower after all...

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    Will this be visable in the skyline?

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    It will be visible right behind Stuyvesant H.S., where the turn from Hudson Riverpark goes into the Rockefeller Park Esplanade. It will be visible from the Hudson River north of Battery Park, but not likely to make a big impact from the East River or NY Harbor.

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    I was at Stuyvesant HS last Saturday, that school is amazing

    And I saw that construction has begun at 5C. Should be a good thing for the neighborhood.

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    Not much is up on the marketing Web site yet, but the sales office is supposed to open June 2005.

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    From an ad in the April 17, 2005, New York Times Magazine:

    The opportunity for unparalleled design, luxury and service is coming to TriBeCa. A new glass-and-steel, 30-story condominium is set to make its mark at 200 Chambers Street and will offer residents a lifestyle unlike anything previously offered in the much-coveted neighborhood. Focusing on the details that matter to discerning New Yorkers, the developer Jack Resnick & Sons Inc. is pushing the boundaries of what defines luxury living in New York City.

    With 258 condominium units, 200 Chambers Street will offer studio, one-, two- and three-bedroom residences ranging in size from 573 square feet to 2,300 square feet and priced from approximately $500,000 to approximately $3 million. The uncompromising interiors are appointed with sumptuous materials including Balastina lava stone countertops, birch cabinetry, chesnut wood flooring throughout and Crema Marfil mosaic-inlay flooring in the bathrooms.

    Residents will bask in sun-flooded apartments with floor-to-ceiling, wall-of-glass windows offering unobstructed city and river views. Premium appliances including Sub Zero, Viking and Bosch will grace each residence, as will five-fixture marble master bathrooms and a washer and dryer unit in all tower residences. Ceiling heights of nine feet add to the feeling of spaciousness.

    Upon entering the lobby of 200 Chambers Street, residents will be greeted by a 24-hour doorman and concierge. The elegant design is punctuated with a stunning marble floor that flows into a lusciously landscaped garden. Designed by the noted landscape architects Thomas Balsley Associates, this oasis is visible through a dramatic wall of glass.

    A lap pool will be the centerpiece of the building's state-of-the-art health-and-fitness center. The resident amenity space will also include a lounge, a playroom, a conference center and a 5,000-square-foot terrace. An on-site garage will provide added convenience.

    Contributing to the excitement of 200 Chambers Street is the world-class TriBeCa neighborhood that offers cosmopolitan dining, shopping and recreational attractions. The building location, steps from the waterfront and the esplanade along the Hudson River, offers residents fabulous parks, top-ranked public schools and a major transportation hub.

    200 Chambers Street is a collaboration between renowned architects Lord Norman Foster, who was involved in the initial design, and Costas Kondylis, who has completed the vision. The sales-and-presentation center will be located at 25 Hudson Street.

    Jack Resnick & Sons Inc. has been a premier owner, builder and manager of residential and commercial real estate in New York City since 1928.

    The Marketing Directors are the marketing and exclusive sales agent. For more information, phone the sales office at 212/334-8383 or visit

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