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    And Seagram Building is of course the standard of comparison:
    http://www.skyscrapers.com/re/en/wm/bu/115572/
    (...and the second photo on the left is mine... sorry Stern)
    What are you talking about?

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    I don't really like the trump world tower. To my opinion it doesn't really stand out from the crowd of other remarkable buildings in NYC. It looks like the vertical boxs found in many cities in the 60's-70's. For such a massive building I never really noticed it. I think it lacks spirit but then, what do I know,. I'm just a newbie.

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    High stature and low profile.
    I think it was an explicit choice of D. Trump.

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    I thought, at first, that bar was the one where you can see in the bathrooms, but that looks like it's in LIC. *Where is that? *What bar??

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    Default Odd Location but Yes I do Like It!

    Considering the boring 50's-era building the TWT replaced, I think New York made out BIG here. Unusual location, methinks, for such a whopping skyscraper, but who's complaining? I particularly like the way Donald Trump got this thing built. Say what you will about Trump (and most people do), but I think we can all agree Trump is definitely a real New Yorker and knows how the game is played in these here parts. He quietly went about the business of securing air rights for years. Flew way low under the radar, dotted every i and crossed every t. Then, ZAP! Here's my building and bring on the construction crews! I like this building, but perhaps more, I like the way Mr. Trump pulled it off. Now, if the esteemed developer and dealmaker would put a whopping skyscraper in lower Manhattan to compete with the WTC, that would really be something.

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    Default How about swaying?

    That question doesn't allow me to sleep: do the people who live at (say) 69 floor in that building feel the swaying of the structure especially if there is pretty strong wind? :roll:

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    As ugly as anything built during the darkest Warsaw Pact Stalinist age. It reminds me of the television tower in Belgrade that was bombed by the US in 1998.

    Some here think that tall and/or thick are the only criteria for a great skyline. I'd rather be able to better see the infinitely more beautiful Chrysler building, or the gorgeous marble of Philip Johnson's postmodernist "Lipstick Building."

    You see folks, the insidious feature of the internationalist clone project, championed by Dr. Gropius at his Harvard lab, was how Corporate America happily embraced its aesthetic. The concept was devilishly simple. Corporate America thought "Hey, we don't have pay up for luxurious materials, ornamentation, spires, slightly unorthodox shapes, or even star architects, we can just build a glass and steel box as cheaply as possible, and yet still be considered on the cutting edge of art!

    Gone were the days when Woolworth, MetLife and Chrysler would try to out-fancy one another. Now the race was "how can we make our buildings more plain than the next company?" And so the clones of Mies and Gropius were unleashed, with each building seemingly plainer and uglier than the next. The UN, Lever House, and The Seagrams Building are nice, but there are literally hundreds of clones of the Seagrams building all across America, each one seemingly worse than the other, giant black death monoliths from "2001 A Space Odyssey" still being worshipped by academic apes and corporate baboons like Trump.

    Another film metaphor that comes to mind is Jeff Goldblum's Character in Cronenberg's "The Fly" who progressively becomes worse in his flawed cloning experiment. Trump's architects are reminiscent of the last stage when the fly begs to be shot. But because they're the cheapest and the most servile, rather than being shot, they get the commission in this bizarro world!

    The fairly loony political ideology behind the Bauhaus was that if all buildings had the same unadorned, factory like appearance, a classless society would follow. NOW, Trump takes the same aesthetic concept and says "hey, our building's dark drabness and inconspicuousness makes them LUXURY [along with, presumably, their gold toilets) because you DON'T STAND OUT. "Classless" becomes "classy". I guess the post-September 11th message is: "terrorists will fly past your undistinguished building and fly into something more iconic like ESB or Chrysler.

    What a pathetic justification for the continued cloning of a dubious architectural ideology.

    Unlike Woolworth (in its heyday) or Chrysler, Trump's only product is himself. He "develops" junk bonds that are continuously rolled over to the final bag holder. If you want to see the most revealing and expressive Donald Trump architecture, take a look at a stock chart of DJT, Trump's doomed public company.

    And people thought Libeskind had too many jagged angles descending into a pit!

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    The Trump World Tower Is Also One Of The Most thinnest in the world...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirduncle
    As ugly as anything built during the darkest Warsaw Pact Stalinist age. It reminds me of the television tower in Belgrade that was bombed by the US in 1998.

    Some here think that tall and/or thick are the only criteria for a great skyline. I'd rather be able to better see the infinitely more beautiful Chrysler building, or the gorgeous marble of Philip Johnson's postmodernist "Lipstick Building."

    You see folks, the insidious feature of the internationalist clone project, championed by Dr. Gropius at his Harvard lab, was how Corporate America happily embraced its aesthetic. The concept was devilishly simple. Corporate America thought "Hey, we don't have pay up for luxurious materials, ornamentation, spires, slightly unorthodox shapes, or even star architects, we can just build a glass and steel box as cheaply as possible, and yet still be considered on the cutting edge of art!

    Gone were the days when Woolworth, MetLife and Chrysler would try to out-fancy one another. Now the race was "how can we make our buildings more plain than the next company?" And so the clones of Mies and Gropius were unleashed, with each building seemingly plainer and uglier than the next. The UN, Lever House, and The Seagrams Building are nice, but there are literally hundreds of clones of the Seagrams building all across America, each one seemingly worse than the other, giant black death monoliths from "2001 A Space Odyssey" still being worshipped by academic apes and corporate baboons like Trump.

    Another film metaphor that comes to mind is Jeff Goldblum's Character in Cronenberg's "The Fly" who progressively becomes worse in his flawed cloning experiment. Trump's architects are reminiscent of the last stage when the fly begs to be shot. But because they're the cheapest and the most servile, rather than being shot, they get the commission in this bizarro world!

    The fairly loony political ideology behind the Bauhaus was that if all buildings had the same unadorned, factory like appearance, a classless society would follow. NOW, Trump takes the same aesthetic concept and says "hey, our building's dark drabness and inconspicuousness makes them LUXURY [along with, presumably, their gold toilets) because you DON'T STAND OUT. "Classless" becomes "classy". I guess the post-September 11th message is: "terrorists will fly past your undistinguished building and fly into something more iconic like ESB or Chrysler.

    What a pathetic justification for the continued cloning of a dubious architectural ideology.

    Unlike Woolworth (in its heyday) or Chrysler, Trump's only product is himself. He "develops" junk bonds that are continuously rolled over to the final bag holder. If you want to see the most revealing and expressive Donald Trump architecture, take a look at a stock chart of DJT, Trump's doomed public company.

    And people thought Libeskind had too many jagged angles descending into a pit!
    Did a Trump building block your view?

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    "Did a Trump building block your view?"

    Not personally, but my "view" is that if you're going to block ANYONE'S view of Chrysler, you'd better be Santiago Calatrava or the reincarnation of Frank Lloyd Wright (which occasionaly are the same thing!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirduncle
    "Did a Trump building block your view?"

    Not personally, but my "view" is that if you're going to block ANYONE'S view of Chrysler, you'd better be Santiago Calatrava or the reincarnation of Frank Lloyd Wright (which occasionaly are the same thing!).

    From precisely what vantage point does Trump World Tower block views of the Chrysler Building? A few blocks in Astoria? For this you argue that we stop building skyscrapers in Manhattan, unless they qualify for whatever it is you consider a "masterpiece"? Please.

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    Sorry, but what about swaying?

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    BPC, it's called ZONING LAWS. It's the same reason you can't paint your house black in most suburbs (even if it's an homage to the black God Mies himself!) It's the same reason you can't have a little jockey in front of most suburban lawns anymore (even if it's an homage to Zappa's "Uncle Remus") and it SHOULD be against Manhattan zoning laws to build the 6739th homage to Mies Van der Rohe's Black ****ing box. Because it is destroying the architectural diversity of Manhattan.

    Subway musicians are now licensed by the city. Remember when there was always some shitty subway saxophonist three bags to the wind playing the same bad tune over and over until there was enough fix money in the case? That's Trump. The "Junk" is his junk bonds. Get a new tune! Trump's only knowledge of culture is the clap tests he receives after banging a promiscuous bimbo model.


    If licensing is good enough for subway musicians, it should be good enough for developers. All developers should be forced to complete a course in architectural history (preferably taught by Tom Wolfe himself) It's a modest proposal considering the convulsions of hysteria when it was revealed that Daniel Libeskind didn't have (gasp!) a New York State architecture license.


    I can hear the clamor of card carrying objectivists howling that this would be an outrageous usurpation of property rights. Oh really? Donald Trump doesn't even believe in unlimited property rights. Actually he is a firm believer in the power of the state to usurp property rights "for the greater good." Want proof? Check out these tidbits, courtesy of, fittingly enough, the Ayn Rand institute:

    "the New Jersey "development agency" sought to seize the home of Vera Coking, an Atlantic City widow who had lived in her home for 37 years, to build a parking lot for Donald Trump's casino.

    Trump conspired with Atlantic City officials to level a block of family businesses so that he would have more room next to his casino for a parking lot.... Trump turned to unscrupulous city officials to gain by force what he could not get by private negotiation."


    Well, well. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Eat crow, Mr. Trump.

    While I realize there isn't a zoning law on the books that restricts overbaked architectural styles, I "modestly propose" this edict:

    Mr. Trump, think of the island of Manhattan as a Five Star restaurant of architecture. This restaurant will no longer serve another cheap Mies Van der burger. Although it's your debt holders who always end up "eating it" so to speak, if you wish to cook in this restaurant, you must choose from a menu of Gourmet architects.

    Norman (Bananas) Foster
    (Spicy) Santiago Calatrava
    100 year old egg Philip Johnson (postmodern a la mode only)
    Renzo Pizza
    Yukio "Tuna" Maki
    Jean Nouvel cuisine
    etc.

    Pay up for a world class architect, Mr. Trump. You don't wanna look cheap in front of your date, Do Ya?

    OK, granted my tone is somewhat hyperbolic. But New York has often nudged developers, through zoning, to a variety of Architectural styles. The setback law led to a few nice buildings I can think of.

    But if you are a dogmatic libertarian, there is an American city that has no zoning laws and no state taxes. Gaze mightily upon Houston, the home of honest and productive capitalism (Enron)........and despair.

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    Oh boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirduncle
    ...and it SHOULD be against Manhattan zoning laws to build the 6739th homage to Mies Van der Rohe's Black f***ing box. Because it is destroying the architectural diversity of Manhattan... OK, granted my tone is somewhat hyperbolic. But New York has often nudged developers, through zoning, to a variety of Architectural styles. The setback law led to a few nice buildings I can think of...
    Ok it defenetly block your view. :roll:

    Let me cry for you :cry:

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