View Poll Results: Construction is underway, how do you feel about the final design for the WTC site?

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  • I am more than satisfied; I believe that the final design surpasses that of the original World Trade Center. 10/10

    50 26.04%
  • While nothing may ever live up to the Twin Towers, I am wholly satisfied with the new World Trade Center; it is a new symbol for a new era. 7/10

    55 28.65%
  • I have come to terms with the new World Trade Center; although it has a number of flaws, I find the design to be acceptable. 5/10

    48 25.00%
  • I am wholly disappointed with the New World Trade Center; we will live to regret the final design. 0/10

    22 11.46%
  • I am biased, but honest, and hate anything that is not a reincarnation of the original Twin Towers.

    17 8.85%
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    Yahoo:

    Corporate Real Estate Executives Would Consider Occupying Space in Redeveloped World Trade Center
    Monday July 11, 12:12 pm ET
    Quarterly Survey Reveals CREs Believe Real Estate Market Will Support Redevelopment at Site
    Companies Planning to Expand Office Space Over the Next Six Months

    ATLANTA, July 11 /PRNewswire/ -- According to a survey conducted by CoreNet Global, over 75 percent of respondents would consider occupying space in a newly built World Trade Center site if the cost was less than or on par with other New York City buildings. In another survey finding, 36 percent of the respondents plan on increasing the net amount of office space they currently occupy.

    An overwhelming majority - 93 percent - of respondents thought the site of the former World Trade Center should be used for both a memorial and commercial office space. Respondents also weighed in on whether the design of an appropriate memorial would be a factor in leasing space with 49 percent saying yes, 32 percent saying no and 19 percent unsure if it would factor in.

    In the survey, most respondents, 82 percent, felt that the current real estate market would support redevelopment of the World Trade Center. However, 13 percent reported that their employees would not be comfortable working at the site; another 48 percent were not sure if their employees would be comfortable.

    Improved transportation was an influential factor for the corporate real estate executives who responded to the survey. Thirty-seven percent of respondents said improved regional transportation would have a dramatic effect on their company's decision to occupy space at the WTC site, while 48 percent said it would have some effect on the decision to locate there.

    In the quarterly administered survey, the majority of companies reported they are planning to maintain or increase occupancy over the next six months. Thirty-six percent are planning a net increase in the amount of office space occupied, 15 percent are planning a net decrease and 50 percent are maintaining the same levels of office space occupancy. Over 70 percent of respondents were planning to maintain the same levels of industrial space, while 11 percent were planning a net increase in industrial space and 11 percent a net decrease.

    The survey was administered June 6, 2005 - June 30, 2005 and yielded 136 responses. Fifty percent of respondents had a portfolio of fewer than 1.5 million square feet, 24 percent had a portfolio between 1.5 million and 10 million square feet, 14 percent had a portfolio greater than 10 million but less than 30 million square feet, and about 10 percent had a portfolio greater than 30 million square feet.

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    I dare the New York Times to run a truly neutral poll regarding the so-called International "Freedom" Center. The leaders of the 14 different victims family groups, who represent the overwhelming majority of victims family members, would almost certainly have the support of an overwhelming majority of the public.

    The International "Freedom" Center does not belong at the World Trade Center.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan_Hakala
    I dare the New York Times to run a truly neutral poll regarding the so-called International "Freedom" Center. The leaders of the 14 different victims family groups, who represent the overwhelming majority of victims family members, would almost certainly have the support of an overwhelming majority of the public.

    The International "Freedom" Center does not belong at the World Trade Center.
    You ought to take your dare to the NY Times and find out.

    I believe a majority of New Yorkers, given an opportunity to voice themselves in a neutral and anonymous poll, would tell the leaders of the ever-proliferating groups of people, who now view THEMSELVES as victims rather than their deceased family members, to take a hike and get the hell out of the way.

    I'd rather see housing on that site with a small plaque memorializing the 9/11 crime than a bunch of arm-locked, wailing millionaires furthering crowing about their sense of entitlement. Everytime they open their collective mouths, people see them for what they are - a bunch of sad, bitter people who are intent on making everyone as miserable as they are.

    They are acting like petulant children stamping their feet and demanding that the world is responsible for their every ailment and misery. The issue here is censorship and those few people claiming to represent "the families" need to be firmly and definitely rebuffed once and for all. Their fifteen minutes is up.

    The International "Freedom" Center does belong at the World Trade Center. The overblown memorial doesn't, especially one with a separate private "mourning area" for people who are deluded into believing that a cement tub is a "sacred" place.

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    Is there any chance there will be pedestrian bridges in the New World Trade Center. Greenwich street cuts through the complex. It separates the memorial and the other towers. It would be a safeway to get the WTC Towers and the memorial. And also I think all the New Towers should be connected by skybridges like the petronas towers has. It would look cool and if there was and if there was another terroist attack (God Forbid) on one of the towers people can exit safely to another tower and get away from the center.

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    Quote Originally Posted by expose05
    Greenwich street cuts through the complex. It separates the memorial and the other towers.
    It seems that Greenwich Street won't be a major thru-way through the WTC site. The block of Greenwich running along the east side of WTC7 is labeled as a "private street" on renderings:



    Greenwich narrows quite a bit from Park Place south; southbound traffic could be diverted away from the site via Murray St (though the convergence of Greenwich & W. Broadway at Vesey could create another traffic problem).

    One sure way that some security concerns can be answered is to minimize normal traffic pasing through the streets on the WTC site.

    My sense is that traffic around the entire WTC site will be greatly controlled, ala what has happened along Duane (aka "Paul O'Dwyer Way") abutting the Federal Buildings on Broadway.

    Greenwich through the site is shown on renderings as more of a visual pathway than an actual transportation corridor:


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    I'm against sky bridges. I like the pedestrian traffic on the street. Those bridges, if built, would likely be restricted to building tenants and unlikely to really lead anywhere (unless someone was leasing multiple buildings).

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    Since Greenwich St. is being labled a "private street" why don't they just convert all of the restored streets into "private" ones for street cars, bikers, and pedestrians? It would solve the security problems of the site while opening the site up to BPC and Tribeca.

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    Yeah that would be the best idea imo. Make it cobblestone for all I care. I really don't want to see cars going thru the wtc site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1
    It seems that Greenwich Street won't be a major thru-way through the WTC site. The block of Greenwich running along the east side of WTC7 is labeled as a "private street" on renderings:


    I believe it was Zippy who explained to me in an earlier post that not all of Greenwich will be private, only the one block that runs alongside 7 WTC. The balance of the newly reopened Greenwich Street, fed from West Broad, will be public and open to southbound traffic.

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    Yes. The portion of Greenwich St in front of 7WTC was always intended to be closed to normal traffic.

    Greenwich St north of Barclay has light traffic since southbound Washington St was blocked from left turns onto Canal by Canal Park, and Greenwich St was narrowed from Hubert St to Chambers St. The main southbound route is West Broadway, which was also blocked by the old 7WTC.

    But it brings up an interesting point about what is meant by private. If the street is mapped as a city street, then it will be the same as the traffic controlled Duane St. However, Silverstein owned the land under 7WTC. Unless it was transferred to the city, both the street and the little park are Silverstein property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BPC
    I believe it was Zippy who explained to me in an earlier post that not all of Greenwich will be private, only the one block that runs alongside 7 WTC. The balance of the newly reopened Greenwich Street, fed from West Broad, will be public and open to southbound traffic.
    But in this day and age what is the meaning of PUBLIC?

    And for that matter, PRIVATE?

    The decision on those matters are increasingly in the hands of a select few and we may have to re-write the dictionaries.

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    Private is everything owned by other people, mostly big time developers. Public is the land we, the people (i.e. governemt) claim we can't afford to maintain and then sell or contract out under 99-year leases to private companies, who then find ways to charge us exhorbitant fees to use it.

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    It is still our home

    Ground Zero neighborhood needs retail and culture
    at World Trade Center site, says a downtown leader

    By DAVE STANKE

    Recent announcements that the Federal Transit Administration has awarded $699 million to the Port Authority for infrastructure work is welcome news for the future of downtown. Commitments by the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation to dedicate its first $500 million to the memorial and memorial center also may help move development forward, but it leaves at risk the important cultural facilities planned for the WTC site.

    Sept. 11 changed lower Manhattan. As residents, we suffered the loss of neighbors and co-workers, friends and families. Many of us lost our homes or our businesses - and all of us, including the children who witnessed the attacks while fleeing their homes and schools, lost our sense of security. Almost four years later, our community remains haunted by the trauma and dismayed at the failure to begin rebuilding. We are determined to counter that with unshakable resilience. This is our home, and we will do all we can to ensure its recovery.

    We eagerly anticipate the memorial. The spacious 6-acre memorial planned for the site, along with its halls and plazas and large memorial center dedicated entirely to the lives lost and events of the 11th, will offer poignant places for us to commemorate our heartbreaking losses.

    Over the past 3-1/2 years, an unprecedented process structured by input offered by millions of people brought about the master plan. All who were a part of this process invested tremendous time and energy ensuring that the facilities would commemorate our loss and reflect our determination to overcome this disaster.

    Now, a group of victims' family members, many of whom were a part of this very process, have raised concerns. They say not one square inch surrounding the World Trade Center should be devoted to anything that doesn't directly concern 9/11. They claim culture and retail do not belong at the site - that things like art and culture are a slap in the face to the victims and their families.

    Downtown residents can tell you it would be a slap in the face not to include things like culture and retail. It would be a huge mistake not to rebuild lower Manhattan as a mixed-use district. We need to look to the future and build a community full of life. People live and work downtown. Facilities dedicated to freedom, art, film and the performing arts have the capacity to animate our neighborhood and maintain it as a world-class destination

    In finding the balance between remembrance and resiliency, culture provides the glue that gives the site meaning. Cultural facilities are the venue in which important questions are considered, questions that overwhelmed us on 9/11. These considerations will occasionally be painful to us, but this makes them no less important.

    To call for the removal of culture and retail as part of the rebuilding is to take direct aim at our efforts to rejuvenate a neighborhood struck by tragedy. It is disrespectful to the complex, emotional process we have collectively undertaken.

    The terrorists aimed to attack our way of life. We will not permit those aims to prevail. Let's make sure lower Manhattan is a place that is both a commemoration of our tragic loss and a livable community, a place we remain proud to call home.

    Stanke, a member of the Lower Manhattan Development Corp. WTC Memorial Center advisory committee, is a leader of Battery Park City United.

    Originally published on July 14, 2005

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    From 7/15 NY TIMES:

    MANHATTAN:
    CONTRACT AWARDED FOR DEUTSCHE BANK SITE
    Pipe scaffolding 535 feet high will be constructed around the former Deutsche Bank building opposite ground zero, under a $13.1 million contract awarded yesterday by the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation. The Regional Scaffolding and Hoisting Company of the Bronx will begin erecting the scaffolding next month, said Luis F. Mendes, the development corporation's construction director. It will enclose the 41-story tower, badly damaged on 9/11, as it is being demolished. Regional is cited by Guinness for the world's tallest scaffolding, 650 feet high, which girdled the Municipal Building in Lower Manhattan. John C. Whitehead, the chairman of the development corporation, reiterated its commitment to a cultural center at the trade center site - a plan criticized by some victims' relatives as inappropriate. Mr. Whitehead said officials would take "one last look" for another location, but added it was unlikely to be found. David W. Dunlap (NYT)

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    Default Liberty Plaza reconstruction up-date

    Liberty Plaza (the block bounded by Broadway / Liberty St. / Trinity Place / Cedar St.) reconstruction has been up-dated on the LMDC site. (This block is referred to both as "Liberty Plaza" and "Liberty Park", although Liberty Plaza is the more common; Liberty Park now seems to apply to the blocks just south of the WTC site where a new park will eventually be built):

    http://www.lowermanhattan.info/news/...ew_76022.asp#0

    Liberty Parks Parisian Kiosk Relocated

    Tuesday, July 12: The tall informational kiosk that once stood at the corner of Liberty Park has been relocated, the Daily News reported.

    Owned by the Alliance for Downtown New York, the cylindrical, map-laden kiosk can now be found in the small park near Greenwich Street and Trinity Place.

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