View Poll Results: Construction is underway, how do you feel about the final design for the WTC site?

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  • I am more than satisfied; I believe that the final design surpasses that of the original World Trade Center. 10/10

    50 26.04%
  • While nothing may ever live up to the Twin Towers, I am wholly satisfied with the new World Trade Center; it is a new symbol for a new era. 7/10

    55 28.65%
  • I have come to terms with the new World Trade Center; although it has a number of flaws, I find the design to be acceptable. 5/10

    48 25.00%
  • I am wholly disappointed with the New World Trade Center; we will live to regret the final design. 0/10

    22 11.46%
  • I am biased, but honest, and hate anything that is not a reincarnation of the original Twin Towers.

    17 8.85%
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Thread: World Trade Center Developments

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    Come on, folks ... Don't Despair!!

    How difficult can it be to move a 175 TON chunk of CONCRETE + STEEL in ONE PIECE

    They might want to call the gang who moved the old Eltinge Theater on 42nd that now houses the AMC 25 Movie House ...

    All New Yorkers Were Moved: One Foot Per Minute

    http://www.preserve2.org/lmwest/spring98.htm





    DON HOGAN CHARLES, THE NEW YORK TIMES

    Escorted by giant balloons of Abbott and Costello, the Empire Theater was moved 170 feet west on 42 Street to its new home in the early morning hours of Sunday, March 1, 1998. Described as being "as exciting as watchin paint dry," the relocation effort employed sophisticated techniques that involved hydraulically lifting the Empire off its original foundations onto a temporary platform resting on a track of eight steel rails. Eight 6-foot cylinders were then used to pump and push the platform at a top speed of one foot per minute.

    The Empire opened its doors as the Eltinge Theatre in 1912, and, until it was abandoned in 1985, served as a showcase for movies, stage productions and burlesque. The relocation of the theater was undertaken by Forest City Ratner in order to redevelop the site. The theater will be incorporated into the lobby of a new movie and entertainment center. Only eight blocks from where Penn Station was demolished in 1963, the move is a fitting tribute to a burgeoning preservation consciousness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1
    Come on, folks ... Don't Despair!!

    How difficult can it be to move a 175 TON chunk of CONCRETE + STEEL in ONE PIECE
    I attended the Community Board meeting, at which there was a presentation detailing the problems with preserving it. Apparently, the largest piece of WTC debris removed from the site (a piece of the facade) was only about 50 tons. This would be three times that size. The only two feasible options are: (a) dismantle it (which will probably destroy it anyway, given its fragile condition); or (b) leave it in place. The problem with the latter is that the staircase sits on ground level, and development of the site will require excavation down seven stories, during which this 175 ton staircare would have to be suspended in mid-air, with construction workers working underneath it! If for no other reason then respect for the safety of the construction crew, the staircase should be removed.

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    Re: The Staircase

    It's trash ... DUMP it.

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    Dellaportas argued that WTC survivors "escaped through many doorways and down many stairways, of which this one has no particular historical significance. ... It's a hunk of junk."
    Exactly. This is over-memorializing at its finest. Just when you think we've moved on from this they will try to save a metal fence that someone grabbed onto that "saved" them.

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    Of course, if it IS moved, that would clearly make it the Stairway to ... Haven.

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    Well, if it's large, cumbersome to move, and has little intrinsic value, what's all the debate about? I'll be the first to sympathize with the victim's families, but you have to draw the line somewhere, and that line should be drawn not just with compassion, but with feasibility, as well.

    Yes?

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    Actually you can see part of the old WTC if you exit the E train (I believe) and head towards PATH. It's spooky, just kind of a vestibule covered in the old travertine with a few steps.

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    I think one can be pro-preservation and still not support the preservation of this particular staircase. Personally, I support the restoration of the surviving WTC facade to the site as a part of the ultimate memorial. If there is a signature image from the destruction of 9/11, that is it. This staircase, by contrast, seems to have been chosen more by happenstance.

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    i think it should stay as it is the last piece of th trad centre still there in its original position. i also think if they remove it the keep it removed as if it is removed at that moment it ceases to be the last piece of the trade centre and will never be again

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    Quote Originally Posted by alonzo-ny
    i think it should stay as it is the last piece of th trad centre still there in its original position. i also think if they remove it the keep it removed as if it is removed at that moment it ceases to be the last piece of the trade centre and will never be again
    My thoughts exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeCom
    I am not really moved by its "escape" factor, even though it is pretty cool and meaningful. What's more important is that it is really the last aboveground remnant of the WTC complex. They can build hundreds of millions worth of memorials, re-erect tens of original WTC steel pillars, yet they can never again have a chance to keep the last piece of the WTC that's standing, and once it's gone, it's gone. Why can't Foster just design a tower that goes around the staircase? It cannor be all that difficult, and it's on the edge of the site anyway, meaning it won't interrupt too much of the plan.

    Or maybe this is just nostalgia talking in me, remembering how I went down this staircase in 2000, not having the slightest suspicion that this small side staircase will be the last man standing, outlasting even the Twin Towers.

    OMG, it's a crappy little nothing staircase. If people are so nostalgic for preserving a piece of the WTC, the should scrap the Freedom Tower and rebuild the WTC twin towers as they were (far superior to the wimpy Freedom tower and overblown memorial pits). How's that for preservation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeCom
    Why can't Foster just design a tower that goes around the staircase? It cannor be all that difficult, and it's on the edge of the site anyway, meaning it won't interrupt too much of the plan.
    When it comes time to lease the building, I don't think that unsightly pile of rock will help things. Regardless of whatever magnificent piece of work Foster designs. We've saved the "footprints" of the towers. That should be sufficient, unless we're going to save every single reminder of 9/11, including Fitterman Hall and the Deutsche Bank building.

    There are going to be enough physical reminders brought back to the memorial museum. It's not talked about much, but they'll be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Dellaportas, chairman of the West St. Coalition
    "Get rid of it,"
    Ditto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by finnman69
    OMG, it's a crappy little nothing staircase. If people are so nostalgic for preserving a piece of the WTC, the should scrap the Freedom Tower and rebuild the WTC twin towers as they were (far superior to the wimpy Freedom tower and overblown memorial pits). How's that for preservation?
    How's that for pteservation? Very shitty if you ask me. Not because I don't want the Twins back, but we're discussion preservation, not imitation. That will be no preservation at all. Rebuilding copies is not preservation; it counts only when the real thing stays where it is.

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    Jackhammer it to smithereens and sell off bits of it as "authentic" pieces of the World Trade Center.

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