View Poll Results: Construction is underway, how do you feel about the final design for the WTC site?

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  • I am more than satisfied; I believe that the final design surpasses that of the original World Trade Center. 10/10

    50 26.04%
  • While nothing may ever live up to the Twin Towers, I am wholly satisfied with the new World Trade Center; it is a new symbol for a new era. 7/10

    55 28.65%
  • I have come to terms with the new World Trade Center; although it has a number of flaws, I find the design to be acceptable. 5/10

    48 25.00%
  • I am wholly disappointed with the New World Trade Center; we will live to regret the final design. 0/10

    22 11.46%
  • I am biased, but honest, and hate anything that is not a reincarnation of the original Twin Towers.

    17 8.85%
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    More images today taken from ground zero...





















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    What's the steel on 7WTC? It doesn't look thick enough to be the tower frame.

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    Its nice that steel is now rising at 7 WTC.

    What you're seeing are the external columns. And by-way of these columns the loads will be transferred into the inner-core.

    Eli, in answer to your question this steel is part of the towers frame.

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    Wow. I guess it's high strength...

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    Yes, Yes, Yes! it looks like deustche bank is being repaired rather than demolished. I always thought they could.

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    The work being done on 130 Liberty does not mean it is being rebuilt

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    What? Damn it. What the hell are they doing then?

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    They could be simply stabilising the building until a decision can be mad. This would not be the first time in history that has happened. If that is the caes... what a waste of resources.

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    Just what I was thinking, if there going to stabalize it then whats the point in demolishing it? Its almost the same as repairing it, from those pictures it looks like the floors and the individual partitions for the glass have been put in.

    Am i crazy or is that strange? (if they are going to demolish it).

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    NY POST...

    Reopening Ground Zero

    Dale McFeatters

    It is altogether fitting that the first part of the World Trade Center site to reopen to the public will be the commuter rail station. And it is also fitting that the rebuilt station will continue to be called World Trade Center.

    The station will formally open on Nov. 23, just over two years since the 9/11 attack, and the first train will be the same eight cars that were the last train out, rescuing passengers trapped on the platform and departing just before the collapse of the south tower.

    The $323 million station is in the "bathtub," the huge retaining wall that keeps water out of the excavation and whose strength kept the disaster from being wose than it was. Screens will partially obscure the site of the missing buildings, but the curious would see only a vast construction yard.

    At 50,000 passengers a day, the reopened station will restore life and foot traffic to the onetime social and commercial center, it should be that again. The station is only a first step, a $323 million first step; others will follow quickly.

    On Nov. 17, the eight finalist designs for a memorial to the victims, whose numbers were recently revised downward to 2,752, will go on display.

    And by Dec. 15, the architects are to agree on a final design for a skyscraper to be erected on the site. That design should be big, bold and brash; it should be New York.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emmeka
    Just what I was thinking, if there going to stabalize it then whats the point in demolishing it? Its almost the same as repairing it, from those pictures it looks like the floors and the individual partitions for the glass have been put in.

    Am i crazy or is that strange? (if they are going to demolish it).
    No, not if you consider the alternative. Who knows how long it will take for the bank and its insurer to resolve the damage dispute. The last think anyone wants is another collapsing building.

    But also, someone could always come in an purchase the tower and site from the bank, nulling the whole insurance dispute thing. Fixing the building makes it that more attractive for that alternative.

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    Hey, fellas...is it possible that we could commit, on here, to refer to this area of downtown as, "The World Trade Center," as opposed to "Ground Zero" ?

    I feel doing this will help NYC get its Mojo back.

    (and if this stock rally continues, we'll really have our Mojo back!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMC
    Hey, fellas...is it possible that we could commit, on here, to refer to this area of downtown as, "The World Trade Center," as opposed to "Ground Zero" ?

    I feel doing this will help NYC get its Mojo back.

    (and if this stock rally continues, we'll reall have out Mojo back!)
    HERE HERE !!!

    Besides "Ground Zero" sounds so crude.

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    It would probably help more if the title of this thread wasn't Ground Zero Developments!

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    The outer steel does not transfer load to the inner core, it just is responsible for carrying the load at the outside down to the foundation.

    the inner core is usually set up with a dual purpose. One is noaturally to support the gravity load that it is above it. The second is a lateral resistance against wind and seismic loads.

    So the steel you see there, at that much of a distance, is quite large. I estimate they are peobably going to be at about W14x257 at the base if this is a strait forward (not tiered/setback) design given a 30 foot spacing.

    These seem more like a curtainwall system, so they may be tubular steel or W12's closer spaced.

    Could someone take a closer picture?

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