View Poll Results: Construction is underway, how do you feel about the final design for the WTC site?

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  • I am more than satisfied; I believe that the final design surpasses that of the original World Trade Center. 10/10

    50 26.04%
  • While nothing may ever live up to the Twin Towers, I am wholly satisfied with the new World Trade Center; it is a new symbol for a new era. 7/10

    55 28.65%
  • I have come to terms with the new World Trade Center; although it has a number of flaws, I find the design to be acceptable. 5/10

    48 25.00%
  • I am wholly disappointed with the New World Trade Center; we will live to regret the final design. 0/10

    22 11.46%
  • I am biased, but honest, and hate anything that is not a reincarnation of the original Twin Towers.

    17 8.85%
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Thread: World Trade Center Developments

  1. #3811
    The Dude Abides
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    Thanks for those photos. The buildings look much more to scale there. I personally think it's great that several tall, thin towers will be going up around the WTC site. It'll create a much more subtle "mountain" effect, and probably integrate it better into the downtown skyline.

    Off-topic question: anyone know what development is associated with that crane in the center right foreground of the "before" picture? Maybe two blocks north of 7WTC?

  2. #3812
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    ^^^^ 85 West Broadway The Smyth Tribeca hotel/condo.

  3. #3813
    Forum Veteran Tectonic's Avatar
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    The Freedom Tower design is starting to grow on me.
    Last edited by Tectonic; January 31st, 2008 at 09:42 AM.

  4. #3814
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    I work over at 101 Barclay and I sometimes look at the building and realize the footprint, along with the one next to it, is a waste of space. The building next door is a union building or something. The damaged BMCC building doesn't help either....

  5. #3815


    Downtown Express
    February 1, 2007

    Shaping the World Trade Center’s pieces

    By Julie Shapiro

    Workers secure the Survivors’ Stairway. The steps portion of the remnant will be incorporated into the W.T.C. memorial museum.

    When tourists and curious residents peer into the World Trade Center site from street level, they see a big dirt pit, studded with machinery, a jumble of puzzle pieces that don’t quite form a complete picture.

    But below ground, in the midst of the roaring equipment and piles of rock, the future of the site is beginning to take shape. It is getting easier to see which cradles of bedrock will hold which future skyscrapers. The outlines of roads and underpasses are becoming clearer, dividing the mass of construction into segments familiar from bird’s-eye renderings.

    And while the site sometimes appears quiet from street level, far more movement is visible belowground. The sectors crawl with activity, as hundreds of construction workers drive heavy machinery or sweep debris, working on the half-dozen major projects that will bring four skyscrapers, a train station, a memorial and a performing arts center to the site within several years.

    “Today, those who live or work around the site — and tourists from around the world who visit it each day — can see that construction is progressing aggressively and the site is bustling with activity,” Anthony Shorris, executive director of Port Authority, said in a statement. “Cranes are constantly in motion, steel is going up and trucks are lined up each day moving concrete and materials on and off the site.”

    The Port’s $16 billion investment will ultimately bring the equivalent of five Empire State buildings to the site, Shorris said.

    “We expect our efforts will pay off in the next few years when the site once again becomes a center for economic activity and a hub for Downtown life,” he said.

    Steve Coleman, a Port Authority spokesperson, took a Downtown Express reporter and photographer around the site on a recent morning, pointing out the progress.

    New PATH entrance

    The newest — and the final — temporary entrance to the PATH station is rapidly taking shape and is on schedule to open in several weeks. The Port Authority has to close the current temporary entrance on Church St. to complete the excavation for the final Santiago Calatrava-designed station.

    The PATH entrance will move to Vesey St., where a tall bank of eight escalators is taking shape to convey commuters from the underground terminal to street level. During the visit, the escalator steps were in place for the most part, but the handrails were missing and the open sides gave views of the belts and internal machinery.

    To the side of the escalators, construction workers were pouring concrete slabs that would connect the new entrance to the current PATH station. When the Calatrava station opens in 2011 under the current schedule, this temporary entrance, like the two that came before it, will be demolished. The final station will have entrances on Greenwich and Church Sts.

    Survivors’ Stairway

    In the midst of bright, noisy machinery and striding workers in neon vests stands a remnant of the past: the Survivors’ Stairway, which served as an escape route to Vesey St. on 9/11. The staircase, of crumbling white stone, is embedded in a large block that once housed an adjacent escalator.

    All around and beneath the staircase, workers are building steel supports to prepare the stairs to be moved. The staircase will then sit on the site near Vesey St. temporarily, until it is lowered into the memorial museum, where it will be on display. The bottom two-thirds of the steps are missing chunks and look battered and ancient — as if the construction workers uncovered them in an archeological dig — while the top steps look eerily new and polished. The stairs survived 9/11, but were damaged during the recovery and cleanup operation in the months that followed.

    The support work to preserve the stairs and move them to temporary storage, done by contractor J.H. Reid, will cost the Port about $1 million, Coleman said.

    Tower sites

    The Tower 4 site, at the corner of Church and Liberty Sts., is one of the calmest sectors, as the space holds its breath between excavation and construction. Port Authority has finished digging out the site — the rock floor is 80 feet below street level — and on a recent morning, several men in cherry pickers were inspecting the tiebacks in the slurry wall, which protects the site from floods. The Port will soon turn the site over to Silverstein Properties, which will build the tower.

    Just to the north, a frenzy of work continued at the Tower 3 site, where enormous jackhammers called hoe rams pounded into bedrock. The penetrating thuds have been a source of complaints from nearby residents when Port Authority’s work went around the clock, but since a new noise plan went into effect, several residents said the noisiest work has stopped by midnight.

    Much of the Tower 3 site is excavated to the required 80 feet, though the northern chunk still has more to go. As the hoe rams recently blasted the bedrock into manageable chunks, backhoes swooped in to convey the boulders into trucks, which carted the rock off the site.

    The Port has paid a $300,000-a-day penalty to Silverstein since Jan. 1, when it was supposed to turn over the sites for Towers 3 and 4. The Tower 3 is expected to take at least a few more weeks to be ready for construction.

    Tower 2, in the northeast corner of the site, looked the way the other tower sites looked several months ago. Backhoes scooped dirt out, waiting to hit bedrock. The deadline for the Tower 2 site to be turned over to Silverstein is June 30.

    Freedom Tower

    Steel beams mark the boundaries and progress of the Freedom Tower in the northwest corner of the site. A lone white beam, inscribed “Freedom Tower,” which was ceremoniously lowered into the pit several years ago, is still visible — but only partly. As the building grows, concrete is filling in around the beam and now eclipses about half of the vertical inscription.

    Most of the work at the Freedom Tower is happening in the center of the building, the concrete core that will house the elevators. Port Authority is building the core up first, and then the steel will follow, bringing the work above street level by the end of the year. At 1,776 feet, the Freedom Tower will dwarf surrounding buildings and stand tallest in the world.


    Construction workers throughout the site looked busy, though a few took time to joke with a Downtown Express reporter. They were also concerned that the reporter and photographer were not wearing the mandated safety goggles. Signs throughout the site reminded workers to prioritize safety, and with trucks flying along gravel paths and a level of noise that sometimes made speaking difficult, the concern seemed prudent. One sign warned workers to make eye contact with the foreman before proceeding.

    Nearly all the evidence of 9/11 has been carted away. In fact, the 16-acre site, but for its scope and sprawl, could almost be a construction site anywhere. However, relics of the past pop up in surprising ways. A memorial plaque sat on the ground outside a trailer that hosts relatives of the attack victims. And on a construction worker’s hardhat, above his set mouth and dark eyes, was a white sticker: “I didn’t forgive. I don’t forget.”

    © 2007 Community Media, LLC

  6. #3816


    Quote Originally Posted by BigMac View Post
    At 1,776 feet, the Freedom Tower will dwarf surrounding buildings and stand tallest in the world.
    Is she being for real?
    Where has she been in the last year?

  7. #3817


    By the time this thing is above ground level Burj Dubai will be taller than 1776'

  8. #3818


    The Burj is already taller than that!
    as of 12/27/07
    current floor : 158 completed
    current height: 598.5m (1964 ft.)

  9. #3819
    Disgruntled Optimist lofter1's Avatar
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    How about this statement:

    ... a remnant of the past: the Survivorsí Stairway, which served as an escape route to Vesey St. on 9/11.

    The staircase, of crumbling white stone, is embedded in a large block that once housed an adjacent escalator.
    Usually referred to as concrete

  10. #3820


    Associated Press
    February 12, 2008

    Safety director hired to oversee World Trade Center site

    NEW YORK - The World Trade Center site's owners have hired a safety director for ground zero, as officials seek to curb a string of construction accidents at other New York City sites.

    Joseph Schwed of Honeywell International started last week as World Trade Center site safety director.

    The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey and general contractors all have separate safety managers for different projects at ground zero. A Sept. 11 memorial, a skyscraper and a transit hub are under construction.

    Schwed will now supervise them all. The Port Authority says it wanted a manager to prevent any future accidents as skyscrapers begin to rise at the site. High-rise construction accidents have more than doubled at other city sites, prompting a new set of safety rules.

    Copyright 2008 Associated Press

  11. #3821
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    safety director aka fall guy

  12. #3822
    Disgruntled Optimist lofter1's Avatar
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    Close to Retirement Age

  13. #3823


    Why is it that we are not seeing any street level images? All there is are postcard photos from miles away. I think it will be another megastore BS with entire ground floors taken up by some stuffed teddy bear outlet GAP and Star bucks Futtruckers or whatever they're all called.

    I lived in the area for 10 years until I was pushed out by exorbitant rents. The whole country seems to think nobody lives there.

  14. #3824


    ya,seems people always like that

  15. #3825


    Quote Originally Posted by RandySavage View Post
    It looks like someone took a rendering and lopped off the bottom quarter.

    Here is the full:
    How did you do that, Randy?

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