View Poll Results: Construction is underway, how do you feel about the final design for the WTC site?

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  • I am more than satisfied; I believe that the final design surpasses that of the original World Trade Center. 10/10

    50 26.04%
  • While nothing may ever live up to the Twin Towers, I am wholly satisfied with the new World Trade Center; it is a new symbol for a new era. 7/10

    55 28.65%
  • I have come to terms with the new World Trade Center; although it has a number of flaws, I find the design to be acceptable. 5/10

    48 25.00%
  • I am wholly disappointed with the New World Trade Center; we will live to regret the final design. 0/10

    22 11.46%
  • I am biased, but honest, and hate anything that is not a reincarnation of the original Twin Towers.

    17 8.85%
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    Sad but true.

    50 million is to 10 billion as 1 is to 200 or 50 mill is .5% of 10 bill.

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    This has all been covered below, But I found the press release was clearer than the article.


    Port Authority, St. Nicholas Church Reach Ground Zero Deal

    by Eliot Brown | July 28, 2008

    Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America.
    St. Nicholas Church before September 11.

    As expected, the Port Authority last week approved the land deal with St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church to allow the Port to use the church's Ground Zero land and build a vehicle security center below.

    The bi-state agency agreed to give the church $20 million ($10 million is supposed to come from JPMorgan Chase for its planned adjacent building, though we'll see if that tower ever happens), along with up to $40 million for infrastructure. The church will get a significantly larger lot than it had prior to September 11, 2001, at 8,100 square feet.

    Release below.
    PORT AUTHORITY AND St. NICHOLAS CHURCH REACH AGREEMENT

    ON REBUILDING CHURCH AT WORLD TRADE CENTER SITE

    Agreement Allows WTC Vehicle Security Center to Move Forward

    The Port Authority and St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church have reached an agreement that will allow the 92-year-old church to be rebuilt near its former location at the World Trade Center site. The agreement also resolves a key issue - one of the 15 fundamental issues identified in last month's Port Authority World Trade Center Assessment -- that will allow construction to proceed on the Vehicle Security Center - a vital artery that will serve nearly every facility on the site and is a key driver of schedules and costs of the other projects.

    At its monthly meeting today, the bistate agency's Board of Commissioners authorized an agreement between the Port Authority, the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, the City of New York and St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church that will move the site of the Greek Church to allow for access and construction needed for the construction of the Vehicle Security Center.

    Under the agreement, St. Nicholas Church agreed to convey property at 155 Cedar Street - where the church was located before it was destroyed on 9/11 - to the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation. LMDC, in turn, will transfer the parcel at 130 Liberty Street to the church for its new building. LMDC will then transfer property at 155 Cedar Street, 140 Liberty Street and a portion of 130 Liberty Street to the Port Authority for construction of the South Bathtub, which will house the Vehicle Security Center.

    St. Nicholas will receive up to $20 million in direct costs for the rebuilt church, including $10 million from the Port Authority to mitigate the impact on the cost of building the church over the Vehicle Security Center, and $10 million from a third party as part of a future development agreement for the Tower 5 site. The Port Authority will provide an additional $20 million, up to a maximum of $40 million, to build the infrastructure needed to support the church on top of the Vehicle Security Center.

    As a result of this agreement, the Board approved an $88.6 million contract with the joint venture of E.E. Cruz & Co. and Nicholson, LLC for construction of the walls of the South Bathtub south of the existing World Trade Center site, which will be used ultimately to house the vehicle screening facility and parking for approximately 28 tour buses. The new South Bathtub will be bounded by Liberty, Greenwich, Cedar and West streets.

    Port Authority Chairman Anthony R. Coscia said, "This agreement with the Greek Church brings to a successful close months of negotiations on an issue that, left unresolved, would have affected the successful construction progress we've made in the past two years and the future work we need to do at the World Trade Center site. It represents the Port Authority's firm resolve to do what is necessary to advance the rebuilding process as quickly as possible."

    Port Authority Executive Director Chris Ward said, "Resolving this lynchpin issue in a matter of weeks is a concrete example of the new way of doing business at the World Trade Center site. Much more remains to be done, but this agreement represents an important step forward."

    The St. Nicholas Church land rights claim was one of 15 key issues outlined in the World Trade Center Assessment report, which was commissioned by New York Governor David A. Paterson and released publicly on June 30.

    http://www.observer.com/2008/real-estate/church-deal

    2008 Observer Media Group,
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    The New York Observer

    Port Authority Board to Tighten WTC Leash



    The governing board of the Port Authority will increase its oversight of World Trade Center development, as board chairman Anthony Coscia is calling for new monthly meetings devoted to monitoring progress at the site.

    Based on a memo he sent to the other board members today, the meetings will allow for monthly updates on cost and schedules, drawing a sharp contrast with years past (the first revision of dates and cost since 2006 is slated to be delivered in September).

    The new meetings, to be held near the site, "will create an opportunity for the Board to give staff more policy direction regarding the rebuilding effort," Mr. Coscia wrote.

    More from the memo:
    Beginning in September, the Board will hold special monthly meetings near the WTC site, in addition to its regularly scheduled monthly meetings, to consider issues regarding the WTC rebuilding effort. At each special meeting, the Board will discuss status reports from the Executive Director on WTC construction timelines and the Chief Financial Officer on WTC budget issues (the status reports will be sent to the Board in advance of the special meeting) and will consider WTC-related action items, including but not limited to construction contracts requiring Board authorization.

    The special meetings will create an opportunity for the Board to give staff more policy direction regarding the rebuilding effort, provide an additional layer of Board oversight, and ensure that the Board is able to take action on WTC-related items at a pace consistent with the desire for an accelerated construction schedule. They will also provide a forum in which Commissioners may focus solely on WTC issues, without having to consider the broad variety of other topics typically raised at a regular monthly meeting. Finally, the special meetings will enhance the transparency of Board's decision-making as it relates to the agency's role in the rebuilding process.


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    What billions of Federal money buys us.

    http://radiiinc.com/


    Meanwhile check out Libeskind's tower in Paris. For someone who was criticized for never designing a tower before, he's building something better than David Child's has ever sketched.

    Last edited by Derek2k3; July 28th, 2008 at 11:34 PM.

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    sigh

    nyc always gets the boring designs from architects who design really neat stuff elsewhere!

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    There is nothing boring about these new WTC towers. The tower in Paris would not be an ideal replacement at the WTC site.

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    You're so right!

    I would hardly ever call either of those shards of glass that Libeskind plans for Paris world class architecture.

    More like worst class architecture!! Looks like something that was built from the wreckage of the former Twins!

    Ground Zero will kick the crap out of those disgusting piles of junk when it is rebuilt!
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    i was just saying how here they would design a standard glass box with some nice/unique features... as soon as they leave the USA it gets a lot more interesting

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    Quote Originally Posted by philvia View Post
    i was just saying how here they would design a standard glass box with some nice/unique features... as soon as they leave the USA it gets a lot more interesting
    I was always for replacing the towers with equally tall (or taller) buildings by roof height and similar aesthetics of the original. Libeskind had no such interest or enthusiasm and if his design was kept we would have had effectively a 60 story building with gardens and a tube next to it that was 1776' high.

    He is a good architect as seen in his design of the Paris building but not for the world trade center site.

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    I don't think it's fair to use that particular project to judge him on. There were a lot of extreme and unreasonable constraints placed on him, e.g. make a 60-story office building that is economically viable while also 1776 feet tall.

    The whole WTC rebuilding was (and still is) a circus. It's no surprise that away from all that craziness, Libeskind shows that he can do very well.

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    Well, Pataki had selected him on the basis of pure favoritism. Libeskind had played on his strings and Pataki fell for it hook, line and sinker! One dinner and the rest was history.

    Lower Mahattan Development Corporation had already chose one of the designs to be built. We'll never know which one it was because Pataki had bulldozed his way over them and chose Libeskind's design instead.

    Even the Freedom Tower's 1st design had started out looking like a shard of glass. The 2nd design was a little better, but the 3rd one wasn't too well liked.

    I have to admit though, that the 4th design is better than the first three.
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    If Liebeskind was retained, his design would have evolved.

    I think we may have wound up with something better.

    The cage design that was settled on before the whole thing was scrapped had nothing to do with Liebeskind.

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    not only that but KPF architects designed the Shanghai WFC and here in nyc they give the crappy generic bus terminal tower

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    Libeskind furiously fought with Childs and Silverstein because of the placement of the spire on the third design.

    Pataki was really the stumbling block with the thing, because he kept on ignoring the concerns of the NYPD that the tower wasn't secure enough to stop a possilbe terrorist attack from the ground. He also made several false starts for the tower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp View Post
    If Liebeskind was retained, his design would have evolved.

    I think we may have wound up with something better.
    If you wanted the buildings to have functioned as a memorial, maybe.

    My point is that Libeskind was charged with designing something for memorializing and time progressed, and the hysteria settled down people awoke to the fact that this was a place of commerce primarily. I don't think that it's in Libeskind's architectural vocabulary to design for commerce first, let alone a "world trade center". I think Childs, Rogers, Maki and Foster got it right.

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