View Poll Results: Construction is underway, how do you feel about the final design for the WTC site?

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  • I am more than satisfied; I believe that the final design surpasses that of the original World Trade Center. 10/10

    50 26.04%
  • While nothing may ever live up to the Twin Towers, I am wholly satisfied with the new World Trade Center; it is a new symbol for a new era. 7/10

    55 28.65%
  • I have come to terms with the new World Trade Center; although it has a number of flaws, I find the design to be acceptable. 5/10

    48 25.00%
  • I am wholly disappointed with the New World Trade Center; we will live to regret the final design. 0/10

    22 11.46%
  • I am biased, but honest, and hate anything that is not a reincarnation of the original Twin Towers.

    17 8.85%
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  1. #5851
    Fearless Photog RoldanTTLB's Avatar
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    There is a website just for the road somewhere, but I forget the URL. Anyway, West St. in front of Brookfield place (nee WFC), will look just like West St. to the north and south. Which is to say, it will have a planted median with turn lanes built in, and the west side will be a wide, well manicured pair of paths - one for biking and one for walking.

    And thanks google for the URL - There are better renderings on site (in the liberty st overpass).

  2. #5852


    Thanks, Rolda n.

  3. #5853


    Renderings are crude, but good schematics of how the roadway will be configured.

  4. #5854


    Thanks, Zip. This will connect BPC to Lower Manhattan.

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    Fearless Photog RoldanTTLB's Avatar
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    That PDF contains all the renderings that are blown up and on site. Excellent find.

  6. #5856


    is there a comprensive list of web cams of the area? the few i use to follow see to be shut down.
    only earthcam seems to remain

    this thread would seem a good place to track webcam placement of the development.

  7. #5857


    Lots of work being done at Liberty St now. Nothing on the site can open until there's access to the VSC.

    Crosswalk going in.


    How Liberty St looked pre-09/11, and now.

  8. #5858


    Tribeca Citizen
    August 19, 2013

    The World Trade Center Security Plan

    Looking for a depressing beach read? The NYPD has released its 834-page World Trade Center Campus Security Plan Final Environmental Impact Statement.

    Do you have any doubts that the NYPD believes that a substantial security presence is required?

    Of note:

    1. “All vehicles seeking access to the WTC Campus would be subject to screening and vehicle operators would be required to provide credentials prior to being granted access to the interior of the WTC site. Credentialing zones are proposed at the following locations:
    • On West Broadway between Barclay Street and Park Place;
    • On Barclay Street in the southern-most lane at the westbound approach to West Broadway;
    • On Barclay Street in the southern-most lane at the westbound approach to Washington Street;
    • On Trinity Place in the western-most lane at the northbound approach to Thames Street and Cedar Street;
    • On West Street/Route 9A in the eastern-most lane at the northbound approach to Liberty Street; and,
    • On West Street/Route 9A in the two southbound left turn lanes at the southbound approach to Liberty Street.”

    2. The choking of Greenwich Street appears to be a done deal. From page 28: “It is anticipated that Greenwich Street from Barclay Street to Vesey Street would be limited for use only by 7 WTC tenants under future conditions (as outlined in a December 5, 2007 reciprocal easement agreement among the City of New York, 7 WTC ownership, PANYNJ and LMDC); therefore, this section of Greenwich Street would be a controlled-access street irrespective of the Proposed Action and would be closed to through traffic. The installation of operable vehicle barriers near the Vesey Street intersection would permit the use of this block for vehicle entry to the WTC campus in emergency situations when other entrances may be unusable. It is possible that operable barriers may also be installed on Greenwich Street near Barclay Street at the northern end of the block. Operable barriers at the north end of the block (default down) and the south end of the block (default up) would allow vehicular access to the adjacent 7 WTC building, but not into the secure zone.”

    I couldn’t get farther than page 28—that’s all the bureaucratese I could take—but if anyone makes it deeper and discovers anything, please do share it.

    © 2013 Tribeca Citizen

  9. #5859


    what was the point of restoring the roads...?

  10. #5860
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    I'm afraid it's going to suck down there even after surface construction is over.

  11. #5861
    Disgruntled Optimist lofter1's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumonkey View Post

    what was the point of restoring the roads...?
    Direct vehicular access at front entries to those with Max Security Clearance.

    For the rest of us: Orderly places to walk.

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  13. #5863


    New Yorker
    August 29, 2013

    Daniel Libeskind's World Trade Center Change of Heart

    By Elizabeth Greenspan

    In two weeks, we will commemorate another anniversary—the twelfth—of the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center. This particular anniversary is notable because a new building now stands on that long-empty site.

    1 World Trade Center, the iconic Ground Zero skyscraper formerly known as the Freedom Tower, this summer became the tallest building in the Western Hemisphere by some measures. It’s not, however, the building that Daniel Libeskind, the site’s master planner, conceived of over a decade ago. In fact, there’s only one remnant of the original design—the building’s height, a symbolic 1,776 feet. Another architect transformed the original plans, and Libeskind has been cut almost entirely out of the process.

    I’ve been investigating the political battle behind the rebuilding effort since it began, over a decade ago, and have just published a book on the topic, “Battle for Ground Zero.” Libeskind is one of the story’s most dramatic characters. At first, the exile inspired Libeskind to lash out in frustration: he launched a public-relations offensive and filed a lawsuit. “I am the people’s architect!” he was known to declare. But as the opening of 1 World Trade Center approaches, a curious thing has happened. Libeskind has quietly transformed into one of the site’s most ardent boosters.

    Libeskind, sixty-seven years old, is unlike other downtown decision-makers. He dresses almost exclusively in black, from his cowboy boots to his thick, square-framed glasses. As one victim’s family member memorably put it, in an interview with the Times, Libeskind is “that magical little guy with the black pants, black shoes, black socks, black belt, black shirt and black glasses.” He talks in a free-form, stream-of-conscious manner, hands in motion, peppering his soliloquies with references to Baudelaire, or to the history of the Eiffel Tower, or to the beauty of the New York Street grid. Libeskind considers himself an artist.

    In September of 2002, he had been running an architecture studio in Berlin when he entered a competition to design a master plan for the World Trade Center site. At the time, commercially develop on the site was controversial. Two months earlier, at an enormous town-hall meeting called “Listening to the City,” the public had overwhelmingly rejected several sets of master plans, in part because people said that they put too many office buildings on a now sacred, historic piece of land. But Larry Silverstein, the site’s developer, along with Governor George Pataki and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, wanted to rebuild all of Silverstein’s destroyed office space—ten million square feet. After their first failure, officials in charge of the rebuilding plan seemed to feel that a high-profile, international design competition would help people imagine a future World Trade Center site and grow more excited about office buildings.

    Libeskind was technically not competing to design the site’s individual buildings. But during the competition, officials instructed the would-be planners to design buildings to help illustrate, and sell, their master plans. Libeskind came up with a sharp-angled skyscraper, topped with a twisting spire. He won. Pataki named the skyscraper the Freedom Tower.

    The conditions of Libeskind’s appointment were slippery, however. Officially, the competition was for the site’s master planner: that is, for an architect to map the sixteen-acre site, to find the right location not only for the commercial towers but also for a train station, memorial, and museum. Libeskind believed his mandate was to create “a space for people, not just corporations.”

    Because Libeskind had designed buildings for the competition, many people expected—reasonably—that they would one day be built. The catch was that there was no guarantee that the architecture from the master-plan competition would be built; it was intended to get people excited about a master plan. As the leaseholder, Silverstein owned the right to hire whichever architect he wanted, and he didn’t want Libeskind. In fact, by the time Libeskind had won, Silverstein had already hired David Childs, an architect at Skidmore, Owings, and Merrill, to design the site’s iconic skyscraper.

    After the competition, Libeskind, Silverstein, and Childs held a series of tense negotiations; eventually, Libeskind ceded the position of architect of the Freedom Tower to Childs, agreeing instead to “meaningfully collaborate” on the project. (A 2003 profile of Libeskind examines this critical moment in the rebuilding.) But Libeskind hardly retreated. After Childs took over the Freedom Tower, Libeskind sent some architects over to Childs’s firm to keep tabs on the design. That angered the firm; its architects didn’t like being watched. Upon learning that Childs had increased the size of the building, partly to create more marketable office space, and shortened Libeskind’s asymmetrical spire, Libeskind appealed directly to Pataki, convincing him that honoring the master plan meant keeping his 1,776 foot height and distinctive top. Pataki called Childs from Bermuda, where he was vacationing at a house owned by Mayor Michael Bloomberg, and implored him to make the adjustments. (Childs initially honored Pataki’s requests, but in 2005, after the New York Police Department demanded changes to make the building safer, he returned to a short, straight spire, leaving only Libeskind’s symbolic height unchanged.)

    Separately, Libeskind sued Larry Silverstein in July of 2004, seeking more than eight hundred thousand dollars of unpaid fees for his early work on Freedom Tower. Compared with the four-billion-dollar price tag for the entire project, this was a small sum, but it was symbolic. Silverstein initially argued that the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation had compensated Libeskind in full. A few months later, in October of 2004, they case settled for the diminished sum of three hundred and seventy thousand dollars.

    Soon after that, Libeskind began a gradual turnaround on 1 World Trade Center. (The building will be home to The New Yorker and its parent company, Condé Nast, starting in 2015.) He stopped badmouthing Silverstein and Childs. He stopped complaining to the governor. He repaired relationships with past enemies: “Our connection has really grown over time,” Janno Lieber, President of World Trade Center Properties, told me. When Childs redesigned the Freedom Tower, in 2005, in response to the police department’s requests, Libeskind actually released a statement describing the new building as “even better than the tower we had before.” In September of 2006, when Silverstein unveiled the designs for his three remaining towers at Ground Zero, Libeskind attended the press conference and smiled for photographers.

    In conversations with friends and colleagues, Libeskind took to discussing his World Trade Center site master plan rather than his discarded Freedom Tower design. He did the same when I talked with him last fall—an approach, it seemed, that allowed him to focus on his successes at the site rather than his failures. Libeskind said that he was pleased that one aspect of his original building design remains intact—the symbolic height—but wouldn’t talk much about 1 World Trade Center, preferring instead to celebrate the entire sixteen-acre site more generally. “[It is] a moving space, a space that doesn’t shift New York to a pessimistic register, where there’s an imbalance, where people feel sad, but a space that has fantastic character,” Libeskind told me. “It’s a total transformation, as I actually envisioned it, and as I think New Yorkers wanted it to be.” (One element that distinguished Libeskind’s entry in the competition was the way that he integrated commemorative features with practical elements—putting the train station next to the memorial plaza, for instance.)

    Rick Bell, the executive director of the New York chapter of the American Institute of Architects and a friend of Libeskind’s, said that he believes the architect probably remains displeased, privately, that he lost the Freedom Tower to Childs. “I know he has disappointments,” Bell said. But Bell believes that Libeskind eventually abandoned the hope of being an architect for any of the site’s buildings and “took the long-term view.”

    Libeskind’s transformation may be somewhat self-serving. Being the site’s master planner has been good for him, likely helping to bring new commissions his way, such as the extension to the Denver Art Museum, opened in 2006, and the Contemporary Jewish Museum in San Francisco, opened in 2008. Embracing his role, however compromised, has likely aided the Libeskind brand—a perk to which even an artist is not immune.

    It’s also possible that it has become more awkward for Libeskind to criticize the building as the public’s views of David Child’s 1 World Trade Center have appeared, in recent years, to gradually shift in its favor. Child’s building looks like a conventional New York skyscraper, particularly when compared to Libeskind’s original; instead of sharp angles and asymmetries, 1 World Trade Center features a wide, concrete base, designed to protect against future attack, and a more traditional profile. For a long time, many critics complained that the building failed to meet the expectations for amazing architecture at Ground Zero. But lately, more critics appear to be softening their judgment. “Surprisingly, [it] pleases me to see it rising, even though it’s not a great building,” Kurt Andersen, a novelist and former architecture critic, told Vanity Fair this summer. “And the fact that it’s taken more than a decade to finish, I think—the gradualism—makes that sense of emblematic rebirth more acute and irresistible.”

    When I pressed him to discuss the building’s architecture last fall, Libeskind steered the conversation to a discussion of the broader site. He also downplayed the conflicts of the past, saying he knew all along that being the site’s master planner did not entitle him to design the site’s five skyscrapers, including the Freedom Tower. “I never thought I would build this whole project,” Libeskind said with a characteristic wave of his hand. “I would have to be an insane mad man to think I am building all of these buildings.” Libeskind said that Childs’s redesign of his building was part of the inevitable process of design. “That’s the evolution of architecture,” he said. “You don’t come up with a picture and say, ‘This is going to be built.’” He was always prepared to compromise, he said.

    Last week, I asked a spokesman for Silverstein whether the 2004 settlement with Libeskind included a clause disallowing Libeskind from badmouthing Silverstein, Childs, or the project. “Absolutely not,” he said. Libeskind’s wife and business partner, Nina, told me that as far as she could remember, there was no such clause, adding, “Daniel was never asked to withhold his opinion about the design of the building.” Libeskind’s office declined to check the settlement, which has never been made public, to confirm this recollection. Nina described the couple’s relationship with Silverstein as “an evolution.” She told me, “There may have been different opinions and disagreements, but once things were sorted out, we decided to move on.”

    Libeskind said that his evolution was triggered by a simple realization: he went from fighting to collaborating because he realized that he needed to work within the existing system—that is, the more-or-less democratic process of rebuilding the site. “I was always in it, fighting for what I think was right,” he said. “But in the end I think, as Churchill said, there is no better system. It might be horrible,” he continued, but “as tough as it is, it brings something forward.”

    © 2013 Condé Nast. All rights reserved

  14. #5864


    September 5, 2013

    Fencing at WTC coming down, adding accessibility


    A covered chain link fence separates pedestrians walking along Vesey Street from construction at the north side of the World Trade Center site in Manhattan.

    The next big change in the World Trade Center site landscape will be addition by subtraction as fences that have blocked much of the site from tourists, residents and area workers for some 12 years will be removed.

    "It is important to shrink the amount of fencing . . . it will make the site more accessible for visitors and neighborhood residents alike," Catherine McVay Hughes, the head of the local Community Board, said. "We are thrilled with the progress in the last year."

    A significant stretch of that fencing at the southeast corner of the site should come down in November with the opening of 4 World Trade Center -- the first of four planned towers on the 16-acre plot where the Twin Towers stood. The 7 WTC tower that opened in 2006 is on the block just north of the site.

    Some of the fencing is made up of large plywood sheets -- with holes cut for passersby to peek in. Other stretches consist of cyclone fencing with razor wire along the top to discourage climbers.

    Construction of 1 WTC, formerly known as the Freedom Tower, is to be finished on the northwest corner early next year, according to the Port Authority. The fencing at that corner will be removed soon after, and much of the fencing along the northern end of the property will come down when the Transportation Hub opens in 2015 and the temporary entrance to the PATH commuter trains is closed.

    The hub will link 11 subway lines, the PATH tubes, all the trade center buildings and the World Financial Center to the west. Another transit hub, the MTA's Fulton Center, east of the trade center site, will connect 10 subway lines serving six stations. That facility, to open in June, will eventually be extended to the trade center site.

    "This last year was a year of coming to fruition," said Andy Breslau, vice president of the Downtown Alliance, a business-oriented planning group. "You are really seeing a new World Trade Center take shape."

    Dara McQuillan of Silverstein Properties, developer of three of the four on-site towers, walked inside the fences recently, taking visitors along a stretch of dirt that will become Greenwich Street, an old north/south roadway that was blocked by construction of the Twin Towers in the late 1960s.

    Fulton Street, which had ended at Church Street, will open the site with an east-west roadway. And the new Cortlandt Way will be a pedestrian walkway, including an outdoor cafe, to serve as entryway from Church Street to the memorial pools in the footprint of what was One and Two World Trade Center. The Twin Towers were destroyed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

    "This whole site will be opened up to reflect the open street grid of the 1960s before the towers were built," McQuillan said.

    He led the visitors into 4 WTC, where plywood protected the shiny security turnstiles that will be activated next month with the opening of the building. The granite lobby floor is still covered in places by brown paper and plywood. Visitors looking straight ahead see shiny granite interior walls reflecting the memorial plaza and its cascading water.

    Superstorm Sandy did not affect the construction schedule, McQuillan said, and some increased costs from storm damage was covered by insurance. The Port Authority in May authorized $59 million to mitigate the impact of future storms at its facilities, including the installation of metal panels at PATH stations.

    Construction on 3 World Trade Center, the next tower to the north, was halted after nine floors of skeletal work but is to resume as soon as Silverstein formalizes a lease with Group M and gets financing, McQuillan said. There is no completion date for Silverstein's 2 WTC on the northeast corner, which, at 1,349 feet, will be the second-tallest tower.

    Most of the exterior work on 1 WTC is finished, including a 408-foot radio spire bolted to the roof in May. Interior finishing will continue into next year before the first tenant, Condé Nast, moves in, according to the Port Authority.

    The entrances to the Silverstein towers will face into the plaza, and the retail spaces on the lower floors will face out on Church Street to separate them from the solemn memorial area.

    The planned memorial museum beneath the plaza is scheduled to open early next year, but the board that runs the museum has been at odds with the families of some victims who object to, among other things, exhibits about the terrorists behind the attacks.

    The terrorism associated with Sept. 11, 2001, affected much of the site planning. While the street grid has opened up, checkpoints will be in place and motorized entry will be restricted to taxis and authorized vehicles.

    Delivery trucks will enter the site through a new Vehicle Security Center just south of Liberty Street, pass through checkpoints to underground loading docks. A new, two-block-long park will be constructed atop the structure.

    Despite criticism about the pace of planning and reconstruction at the site from Mayor Michael Bloomberg, state Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, the Democrat who represents Lower Manhattan, and others, many involved said the development will be worth the wait.

    "We always felt the focus on speed was misplaced and that time was necessary to deal with the emotional impact and to get it right," said Tom Wright, executive director of the Regional Planning Association, who started work with the agency the week after the Sept. 11 attacks.

    "What we are seeing now are the fruits of doing things deliberately and doing things well," he said. "The benefits of that approach are becoming more and more clear."

    Sites of rebuilt World Trade Center

    1 WTC -- Joint venture of the Port Authority and the Durst Organization. Exterior completed. Interior finishing and prime tenant Condé Nast moves in in early 2014.

    2 WTC -- Silverstein Properties. No scheduled start date.

    3 WTC -- Silverstein Properties. Foundation and skeleton for bottom floors completed; anchor tenant negotiating lease. Construction to resume as soon as the next round of financing is in place, later this year or early 2014. Scheduled completion in 2016.

    4 WTC -- Silverstein Properties. Interior finishing in progress. Official opening in November.

    North and south memorial pools -- Open.

    9/11 Museum (underground) -- Scheduled to open in early 2014.

    Transportation Hub -- Scheduled to open 2015.


    7 WTC to north -- Opened in 2006.

    Liberty Park to the south -- Will open next year atop the Vehicular Security Center.

    Copyright © 2013 Newsday. All rights reserved.

  15. #5865
    Disgruntled Optimist lofter1's Avatar
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    Lots of work going on in preparation of the upcoming commemoration weekend & 12th anniversary.

    Anyone know what the two white assymmetrical pieces of framework are (seen laying on the memorial plaza just to the north of the Memorial Pavilion)?

    Plantings have gone in between the new trees in that area.

    And a big patch of lawn has gone in across West Street, to the north of the new WFC entry pavilion.

    Plus the VSC is showing construction up top, at the NW corner, apparently part of the new structure that will connect the WFC pedestrian bridge to the VSC roof.

    Photos of the progress of the east side of the VSC, not visible on earthcam, are always appreciated.

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