View Poll Results: Construction is underway, how do you feel about the final design for the WTC site?

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  • I am more than satisfied; I believe that the final design surpasses that of the original World Trade Center. 10/10

    50 26.04%
  • While nothing may ever live up to the Twin Towers, I am wholly satisfied with the new World Trade Center; it is a new symbol for a new era. 7/10

    55 28.65%
  • I have come to terms with the new World Trade Center; although it has a number of flaws, I find the design to be acceptable. 5/10

    48 25.00%
  • I am wholly disappointed with the New World Trade Center; we will live to regret the final design. 0/10

    22 11.46%
  • I am biased, but honest, and hate anything that is not a reincarnation of the original Twin Towers.

    17 8.85%
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    Over the years, the St Nicholas parish turned down several offers by the Milsteins to buy their property. I'm sure the irony that it's the Milsteins who will probably leave the site is not lost on the family.

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    November 11, 2004

    BLOCKS

    Hard Choices but No Overall Plan on 9/11 Rebuilding

    By DAVID W. DUNLAP

    WHAT does it mean to rebuild Lower Manhattan?

    Does it mean investing above all in the World Trade Center site, on the theory that a big office project with memorial and cultural facets would be a lodestar for downtown?

    Or does it mean investing first and foremost in regional transportation, on the theory that if suburban residents - Long Islanders, in particular - cannot get to jobs downtown more easily, few large employers will be interested in staying or moving there?

    Or does it mean investing before anything else in the existing neighborhood, through subsidies for affordable housing and aid to small businesses and the construction of schools and libraries and parks, on the theory that Lower Manhattan's best chance for recovery is as a diverse commercial and residential area?

    The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation might like to answer "all of the above," but as a practical matter, choices will have to be made among these approaches as the pot of federal money grows smaller. With the board's decision yesterday to authorize $44.5 million to acquire an additional parcel for the trade center site, there is now roughly $825 million to allocate, from the original $2.783 billion.

    Because competing demands far exceed the available grants, there is a growing sense that each decision to finance one project effectively starves another. But the corporation has not articulated an overall spending plan beyond saying that it seeks the most effect for the dollars it invests. Allocations are made as needed.

    Now on the horizon is the prospect that the corporation will be asked by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the trade center site, to pick up part of what might be a $1 billion price tag for underground infrastructure: the vehicle screening area, ramps, roadways and loading docks for the office towers, the memorial, the PATH station and the cultural buildings.

    Yesterday, in an unusual address to the board by an outsider, Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver laid out his own priorities for the remaining money, while bemoaning what he called the competition between commercial development downtown and development on the far West Side.

    Mr. Silver, a Democrat whose Assembly district includes much of Lower Manhattan, said his first priority is a seamless rail link between downtown and Long Island to help attract and keep the jobs needed to fill the towers that are planned in and around the trade center site. "Before we create millions and millions of square feet of additional office space, we ought to think about filling this space up," Mr. Silver said after the meeting.

    HE asked the board to consider the need for schools, a community center and libraries; economic development incentives for Chinatown; and $70 million to finish the Hudson River Park in TriBeCa. And he called for more local representatives on the 12-member corporation board than the two who currently play that role.

    Mr. Silver also said he opposed giving any money to the Port Authority until it accounted for what it had already received from the federal government, from its insurers and from Silverstein Properties, the commercial leaseholder.

    In response, the Port Authority said that federal money and insurance proceeds related to the World Trade Center complex were either reinvested in the site or used to pay the agency's relocation costs. The $109 million annual rent from Silverstein supports general operations and capital spending.

    Because the underground security areas and roadways will be shared by all users (the authority estimated that 75 percent of the traffic in the first phase of redevelopment would come from tour buses), Roland W. Betts, a board member, said the development corporation was obliged to help finance it. He also said the corporation should make a significant contribution - on the order of several hundred million dollars - to jump-start private fund-raising for the memorial and cultural projects.

    But Mr. Betts also said the spending ought to be done within more of a framework. "We have a finite amount of money left," he said, "and it would be irresponsible of the L.M.D.C. not to have a master plan for the money. And I'm confident that we can do this."

    "You need to know what's in your checkbook," Mr. Betts said.

    Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

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    The site of the World Trade Center on 13 November 2004.


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    the bulding that is to the right of the destche bank is this photo what is that? It had a lot of scaffoling and workers on it when I was up in Sept. Is it being demolished or restored?

  5. #830

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    That is 90 West street , it is being converted and restored to luxury apts. You can see it it's on West street and Albany street and washington street in the back. Will be ready spring 2005.

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    TRIBECA TRIB

    Planning for Retail at the World Trade Center Site

    by Barry Owens

    Once the World Trade Center memorial is built, the next highest priority for the site is retail-about 1 million square feet of it-according to a retail study presented to Community Board 1 on Nov. 8.

    "Often what happens is all the other uses get planned and the retail just gets shoehorned in. This should not be an afterthought," said Mary Beth Corrigan of the Urban Land Institute, a Washington, D.C-based nonprofit real estate research and education organization that conducted the draft study, which is expected to be released next month in its final form.

    The report, commissioned by Friends of Community Board 1, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the Lower Manhattan Development Corp. and the Downtown Alliance, is the product of a "summit" of experts in real estate, land use planning, retail, and urban development who gathered in October to tour the site and offer their ideas for the development of stores and commerce. It lays out a broad template, but few specifics, for planners to consider as they set out to rebuild the site and the neighborhood around it.

    "You can't take the site and surrounding blocks and just chop them up into different types of retail. The area needs to have a flow," said Corrigan.

    In that flow, she said, there should be a mix of boutiques, large "destination type" retailers, perhaps a movie theater and definitely a supermarket.

    "Let's not forget about tailors, shoe repair and laundry places. We'll still need those," cautioned board member Catherine McVay Hughes. "I don't think we want only big retail."

    The report estimates the World Trade Center site would be home to 250,000, requiring enough retail space to accommodate them, along with the needs of workers in the 17,500 firms in Lower Manhattan and the 13,700 tourists expected to visit the site each day.

    The report's list of viable retail options for the site's storefront and concourse levels reads like the Yellow Pages: Restaurants, books, music, electronics, jewelry, apparel, department stores, and museums.

    "What we're trying to do is create an alternative to traveling up to midtown to get this stuff," Corrigan said.


    While Corrigan suggested that a "unified" development group should oversee the project for continuity sake, the shopping district should not resemble a mall.

    "This should be the antithesis of the mall," she said.

    As the rebuilding of Lower Manhattan moves forward, said Corrigan, at least 300,000 square feet of ground level retail space should be included in the first phase of construction at the site, a "champion" for retail should be selected to push the project, and there should be further consideration of "depressing'" West Street to better integrate Battery Park City into the market place.

    The proposal to bury a portion of West Street is a controversial one, opposed by an organized group of Battery Park City residents.

    These are "just suggestions," she told the board.

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    Sounds like some good stuff. Not all chains, a broad mix inclusding all the makes NYC great. This is very important, as is the anti-mall sentiment. While the old WTC was successful, it was a mall. This will really make this area a destination and one of the prime areas in all of NYC. It's a no-brainer, really.

    Though expensive, and with drawbacks, I still think the Wesst St. tunnel would be amazing for the area. Wish they would do it from WTC to the end of West St., but just the WTC area is good enough, I guess.

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    They forgot what downtown needs the most: supermarkets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyo
    They forgot what downtown needs the most: supermarkets.
    That was mentioned in the article:

    In that flow, she said, there should be a mix of boutiques, large "destination type" retailers, perhaps a movie theater and definitely a supermarket.
    The 270 Greenwich St development has also been in talks as the site of a possible supermarket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrShakespeare
    ... Last July 4, at Ground Zero, the cornerstone of the Freedom Tower was laid .... When completed, the office skyscraper is planned to rise 1,776 feet into the air, which would make it the tallest building in the Western Hemisphere.
    in case some of you missed this subtle rewriting of the FT spec ...

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    Zzed, I never trust columists for my building info, these guys are English majors and the exact terminology and facts these people use are second to the over all intent of the article. My quess is he/she couldnt care less about "strucural height" or "highest occupied floor", ect.

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    He was being sarcastic.

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    NYNewsday

    Insurers ask jury to rule WTC terror was 1 event

    The Associated Press

    November 15, 2004, 5:08 PM EST

    Lawyers for nine insurance companies urged a jury Monday to conclude that the 2001 destruction of the World Trade Center was a single event for insurance purposes even though two hijacked planes struck the towers.

    "The World Trade Center was destroyed by a single, coordinated terrorist attack," said Carolyn H. Williams on behalf of the insurance companies.

    She told the jury in U.S. District Court in Manhattan that trade center leaseholder Larry Silverstein was ignoring the "plain, simple and horrifying truth" by suggesting he should be paid twice for a single act of terrorism.

    Silverstein's lawyer, Bernard Nussbaum, said the jury should conclude that two separate planes caused two separate buildings to collapse in two separate insurance events, "however else you might view what happened on that terrible day."

    He said documents and testimony in the case showed the insurance companies "intended to treat what happened on 9-11 as two occurrences."

    He said Silverstein would have agreed that a single event had occurred if the 110-story towers fell because of a single massive earthquake or storm.

    "One single force did not bring down the World Trade Center," he said. "We say each separate physical strike was a separate occurrence."

    A separate jury earlier this year concluded Silverstein was not entitled to a double payout on the majority of the $3.5 billion insurance policy with two dozen insurance companies. But that jury was asked to decide which insurance contracts were valid rather than whether the attack was a single event.

    The jury in the current trial before Judge Michael Mukasey was asked to decide whether the attack was one or two events for nine insurance companies. If he wins, Silverstein could collect $1.1 billion more from those nine companies.

    Williams described the hijacked planes used on Sept. 11, 2001, as guided missiles.

    She said it was "preposterous" for Silverstein to suggest that insurance companies intended that the amount of damages to be paid out in a terrorist attack "would depend on the terrorists' choice of weapons."

    At one point, she showed jurors on a large screen a photograph of the cover of "The 9/11 Commission Report," and reminded them that a copy of the book was evidence in the case.

    Williams said it did not matter for insurance purposes whether the terrorists used "one or two or 10 or 100 weapons."

    "Insurance doesn't depend on the number of weapons," she said.

    Nussbaum argued that there was precedent in the insurance industry to find the terrorism was two events.

    He noted that an insurance company in a case in California had concluded four separate insurance events occurred when an arsonist set four separate fires, including two six minutes apart in courthouses 200 yards apart.

    Regardless of the outcome of the trial, Silverstein and redevelopment officials have promised to rebuild the trade center complex in the next decade, including 10 million square feet of office space, a memorial and cultural buildings.

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    They forgot what downtown needs the most: supermarkets.
    Wholefoods, Trader Joes, Wegmans etc.. would be nice.

    And I know it's mall like but NYC does not have a Nordstrom, the main store in Seattle is not really part of a mall and is alot nicer than the usual chi-chi Suburban versions.

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    Wegmans
    I love Wegmans.

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