View Poll Results: Construction is underway, how do you feel about the final design for the WTC site?

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  • I am more than satisfied; I believe that the final design surpasses that of the original World Trade Center. 10/10

    50 26.04%
  • While nothing may ever live up to the Twin Towers, I am wholly satisfied with the new World Trade Center; it is a new symbol for a new era. 7/10

    55 28.65%
  • I have come to terms with the new World Trade Center; although it has a number of flaws, I find the design to be acceptable. 5/10

    48 25.00%
  • I am wholly disappointed with the New World Trade Center; we will live to regret the final design. 0/10

    22 11.46%
  • I am biased, but honest, and hate anything that is not a reincarnation of the original Twin Towers.

    17 8.85%
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    33% could name Libeskind; I wonder how many could name any of the jury members, much less judge their qualifications.

    I wonder if the question went something like, " should the memorial be chosen by a jury with only one family member, or should it be chosen by all the family members?" *

  2. #107

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    Another slant on the poll...

    NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--July 29, 2003--A new survey of 601 Lower Manhattan residents has found they are closely following plans to rebuild the World Trade Center (WTC), according to the Pace Poll, a new center for research on social, economic and political affairs at Pace University.

    * *Replacing commercial space is among the most important priorities for residents, and most are strongly supportive of having the area's businesses and private interests play an influential role in redevelopment, along with Mayor Bloomberg - but not Governor Pataki or the families of those lost on 9/11, according to the Pace Poll.

    * *Six out of ten (61 percent) residents follow the latest developments about rebuilding most or some of the time, and nearly seven out of ten (69 percent) discuss these issues with their neighbors.

    * *One in five (20 percent) residents say they know "a lot" about the new plan to develop the World Trade Center site; 44 percent say they know something about it. And significantly, 33 percent can recall Daniel Libeskind's name when asked to identify its designer. Nearly half (49 percent) of downtown residents think the redevelopment effort is on the right track.

    * *"The Pace Poll is meant to promote open discussion on community issues and current affairs," said David A. Caputo, President of Pace University. "The Pace Poll is one of a number of University initiatives, along with the Center for Downtown New York, intended to serve the community as a research, academic and leadership partner."

    * *The Pace Poll rebuilding survey found that replacing commercial space is among the most important priorities for residents (72 percent). Also, a significant percentage (55 percent) say the construction of commercial space on the site of the soon-to-be-razed Deutsch Bank Building would play an important part in improving the quality of life in Lower Manhattan.

    * *Sixty-four percent of residents think Lower Manhattan businesses should be "extremely" or "very" influential in the rebuilding process. That is more than those who think that about Mayor Bloomberg (62 percent), Governor Pataki (47 percent), and the families of those lost on 9/11 (40 percent). It is almost as much as residents think that about themselves (69 percent).

    * *"For Lower Manhattan residents, the identity of the World Trade Center site is not wrapped up wholly in its commemorative potential," said Jonathan Trichter, Director of the Pace Poll. "In addition to the memorial that must minister to the remembrance of those who were lost that day, Lower Manhattan residents want the area returned to its economic function and, to the extent it's required, its commercial form."

    * *Lower Manhattan residents are divided on whether all commercial space lost on 9/11 should be replaced, with 46 percent in favor of it. On the other hand, 44 percent would favor having the government take control if the developers who control the WTC rights decide to build too much commercial space.

    * *Opinions about Memorial Selection

    * *Downtown residents also are paying careful attention to the selection of an appropriate memorial. When asked who should be responsible for deciding its composition, 41 percent of residents name - without any prompting - the families of those who were lost. Virtually none name the official jury of 13 appointed by the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, who will judge the memorial competition.

    * *The Pace Poll found that a single memorial that equally recognizes all who were lost is the preferred model (50 percent). A single memorial that honors everyone who was lost and that especially identifies firefighters and rescue workers is less popular (25 percent). And two memorials, one that honors the firefighters and rescue workers and one for others who were lost, is the least popular alternative (21 percent).

    * *"A single, uniform memorial could lead to friction among firefighters, police officers, rescue workers and the families of workers lost in the towers," Trichter said. "One of these groups could feel marginalized and conclude they aren't receiving due recognition."

    * *Leadership

    * *In an open-ended question asking residents to name the one public official they think is most in charge and responsible for rebuilding, a strong plurality (39 percent) name Mayor Bloomberg; only 24 percent name Governor Pataki. In addition, 62 percent of Lower Manhattan residents think Mayor Bloomberg should be "extremely" or "very" influential in the rebuilding process. And the mayor is the only elected official close to rebuilding who receives a passable performance rating for his actions to date in the rebuilding effort. According to the poll, the mayor receives a 57 percent neutral-to-positive rating on his performance, versus a 48 percent such rating for the governor.

    * *"The poll shows that Mayor Bloomberg has the largest mandate for guiding the rebuilding process," said Trichter. "Objectively, the mayor's performance rating on rebuilding is thus far fair. Nonetheless, he is presented with an opportunity to exert popular leadership. Becoming involved more visibly in the rebuilding process would be a practical way for him to connect with downtown New Yorkers."

    * *The Pace Poll is an independent initiative backed by the resources of Pace University, a nationally and internationally recognized education leader in a range of academic and professional programs. By routinely measuring regional and national public opinion on both long-standing and timely topics of civic life, the Pace Poll will help public opinion play a more visible role in the open discussion of current affairs. Director Jonathan Trichter is in charge of all survey research and analysis associated with the Pace Poll.

    * *This rebuilding benchmark survey is the first part of a tracking study to be fielded every six months and through the remainder of the redevelopment effort. The results are based on telephone interviews conducted from July 9-17, 2003, with 601 Lower Manhattan residents (living below 14th Street) 18 years of age or older. The sample consisted of phone numbers selected via random digit dial from among exchanges that ensured regions were represented in proportion to their population. The results of the benchmark survey are statistically significant within a +/- 4% margin of error at a 95% level of confidence. Error margins increase for cross-tabulations. Though the Pace Poll adheres to strict methodological standards, the practical elements of fielding any survey can introduce additional sources of error.

    * *CONTACT: Pace University, New York
    * * * * * * Chris Cory, 212-346-1117
    * * * * * * www.pace.edu/pacepollpress
    * * * * * * *or
    * * * * * * M Booth & Associates, New York
    * * * * * * Raina Grossman/Richmond Temple, 212-481-7000

  3. #108

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    Tragically, the night I attended a party in the "Astra" across from the Bloomberg building going up in mid-town near the Queensboro Bridge, an employee slipped to his death in the construction of the building.

    I read somewhere that these "statistics" are often included in the plans as part of the insurance. I work in historic archaeology and have been in the "footprint" of some of the buildings that have gone up in Lower Manhattan, and it is always a heartbreak to hear. I suppose any phase of construction has its risks.

    The African Burial Ground, whose original archaeologist and researcher, "Big-Ed" Rutsch, for whom there was a memorial tribute at Liberty Park in NJ this last Saturday, also had a competition for a memorial, funded by the US Government. Many designs were submitted, one chosen, and the whole lot put on display at the New York State Museum, where I saw them. All were then "thrown out" and a new design process started.


    (Edited by georgejmyersjr at 6:24 pm on July 29, 2003)

  4. #109

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    Does Bloomberg have the 'largest mandate' because he hasn't yet been involved, ergo -unable to make backlash causing mistakes?

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    *"A single, uniform memorial could lead to friction among firefighters, police officers, rescue workers and the families of workers lost in the towers," Trichter said. "One of these groups could feel marginalized and conclude they aren't receiving due recognition."
    What a completely distasteful notion; to treat such an outcome as an acceptable and likely reaction should enrage all the families because it assumes they are a petty, factionalized, insensitive, and selfish lot who don't have the class or decency to come together around their commonality, but assume a combative and divisive dimeanor due to their differences. *Its so sad that heretofore this is the impression they have given, and now this is what is expected of them. *It makes my heart sink.

    (Why is there so little faith in the memorial designers?)

  5. #110

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    I agree with Member Jasonik; why can't people just get along! *The "Memorial" is going to be appropriate - that's a given. *Why all this unseemly and rancorous debate over trifles; and unknown trifles at that?


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    I thought this item might be of interest - and it has a personal touch...

    HHS grad Lance Klein is in New York City this summer to contribute to the rebuilding at Ground Zero

    By: Janet Hamous, HFP

    Hillsboro High School graduate Lance Klein planned to spend the summer restoring the old house he and wife Melanie bought in Manhattan in April.
    But when he got a call in May asking him to join a team of people to create a master plan for Ground Zero, the area of New York City devastated by the terrorist attack of Sept. 11, 2001, he gladly laid down his hammer and paintbrush and headed east.

    Klein was born in Hillsboro and grew up in Durham, where parents Bob and LaDonna still live.

    After graduating from HHS in 1992, Klein attended Kansas State University, where he graduated in 1996 with a degree in landscape architecture.

    Until his return to Kansas last August, he had worked in Denver as a landscape architect.

    While in Denver, Klein had the opportunity to work with Studio Libeskind, a design firm owned by Daniel Libeskind, on the Denver Art Museum expansion project.

    That association proved to be a lucky break for Klein.

    Libeskind's design for rebuilding the World Trade Center site was selected last February as the winner in a highly publicized competition of top architects. His vision for Ground Zero will serve as the master plan for the site.

    When experts were needed to begin fleshing out the plan, Klein's name came up.

    "They had moved to Manhattan a year ago and had just purchased a house," LaDonna said. "He was starting to tear into that the day they called him and asked him.

    "It took a week to decide, but it was one of those decisions you couldn't say no to."

    Lance Klein agreed: "My wife and I both came out here to work on it."

    Melanie, also an architect, is a professor at K-State in the College of Architecture.

    Lance Klein said the initial work is to create a master plan for the eight-block site.

    "Right now, everybody's working on the master plan, which is not the final design - it's the early design," Klein said. "I'm working on all the open spaces-all the streets and the parks and plazas on the exterior."

    He said they are starting from scratch in deciding where streets and open spaces will go.

    "A lot of the work involves connecting to the surrounding streets and re-establishing the grid of the city," he said.

    "The previous site created what people called the 'Mega Block.' None of the streets went through, and it kind of isolated it from the rest of the city.

    "So part of the idea with this plan is to reestablish it as part of the city and have it be a part of the fabric.

    "The biggest consideration for the space now is how it functions from an urban standpoint for the city and how people who live and work in the area and people visiting the memorial can use those spaces."

    Klein said the project calls for four new towers, a transit stop, museum and a performing arts center in addition to a memorial.

    "(Libeskind) laid out everything and selected the site for the memorial and the location for the towers and the other buildings," he said.

    Plan calls for a tower that will be 1,776 feet high, symbolizing the year of American independence.

    "It's planned to be the tallest building in the world," Klein said.

    The memorial will be located within the site where Klein is working, but its design is actually a separate project, he said. It will stand in an area that encompasses the "footprints" of the twin towers and will be designed by the winner of an international competition.

    "They had several thousand entrants for that," Klein said. "The deadline closed the 30th of June, so they're reviewing the different designs, and they're going to select up to five and then have those five work through it again."

    He said the more contemplative aspect of the tribute to 9/11 will happen at the memorial itself, "but there are some subtle things that are done on the rest of the landscape to commemorate that."

    Klein will be in New York until the end of September, when his part of the project is completed. Melanie will return to Kansas in August, when school begins.

    "We feel very fortunate to be involved with the project," Klein said. "We spend a lot of hours up here, but it's a great team and we enjoy working with everybody. "


    ©Hillsboro Free Press 2003 *

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    Poll backs single 9/11 memorial

    *I thought I would introduce this interpretation of the poll for the record.


    By GREG GITTRICH
    DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER


    Half of New Yorkers living downtown believe there should be a single memorial at Ground Zero - with no special distinction for slain firefighters and rescue workers, a new poll shows.

    About 25% favor a memorial that honors everyone who died and "especially identifies the firefighters and rescue workers," according to the survey tobe released today by Pace University.

    An even smaller group, 21%, says there should be two memorials at the disaster site - one for the rescue workers and one for everyone else who died.

    "This is reassuring," said Jenny Farrell, whose brother James, an electrician, was killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. "We must honor and recognize the heroic efforts of all those in and out of uniform equally."

    The issue of how to honor the nearly 2,800 people who died at Ground Zero has been particularly emotional.

    The Lower Manhattan Development Corp., which is overseeing the memorial design competition, passed a resolution this spring saying the tribute should "honor the loss of life equally and the contributions of all without establishing any hierarchies." But the decision is being left up to a special jury that will choose a design this fall.

    Many firefighters - especially members of a group called Advocates for a 9/11 Fallen Heroes Memorial - continue to lobby for a memorial with distinction for the slain rescuers.

    Pace surveyed 601 adults who live below 14th St. between July 9 and 17. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.
    Originally published on July 29, 2003


    (Edited by Jasonik at 7:04 pm on July 31, 2003)

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    Doctoroff: Don't move Freedom Tower
    By KAREN MATTHEWS
    Associated Press Writer

    July 31, 2003, 6:35 PM EDT


    NEW YORK -- Daniel Libeskind's "Freedom Tower" should remain at the northwest corner of the World Trade Center site, Deputy Mayor Daniel Doctoroff said in a letter Thursday that appeared to put City Hall in conflict with the private developer who holds the lease.

    In a letter to Port Authority Executive Director Joseph Seymour, Doctoroff also said the 16-acre site cannot accommodate the 10 million square feet of office space sought by the leaseholder.

    Doctoroff's comments are a response to trade center leaseholder Larry Silverstein's stated desire to move the 1,776-foot Freedom Tower from the spot designated by site architect Daniel Libeskind.

    The Board of Commissioners for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the site, has made no decision on whether to move the tower. Doctoroff, who was out of town, did not attend Thursday's meeting.

    Gerald McKelvey, a spokesman for Silverstein, said "we have not seen the letter and we have no comment."

    Doctoroff said placing the tower on West Street, as Libeskind envisioned, will allow the building "to be a free-standing structure, separated from surrounding buildings by the width of West Street and by the memorial, not hemmed in by nearby buildings." Silverstein would like the tower moved closer to the transit hub planned at the site.

    Silverstein's hand-picked architect, David Childs, was given the lead role in developing the tower, according to an agreement reached this month. He will work in collaboration with Libeskind, who designed the conceptual plan for the site.

    Doctoroff also questioned the amount of office space sought by Silverstein. "Placing 10 million square feet of office space on the site destroys the possibility of achieving important goals, including creating bright, open streets with lively pedestrian activity and creating a grand point of arrival for Lower Manhattan," he said.

    Doctoroff said the city would consider moving some of the office space planned for the rebuilt trade center to adjoining parcels, including the Deutsche Bank site on Liberty Street. The Deutsche Bank building is expected to be demolished.

    Also Thursday, the Port Authority board authorized its staff to enter into a $3 million contract with Libeskind to provide ongoing design review.

    In a statement, Libeskind said he was pleased the contract had been approved, adding that it "will put Studio Daniel Libeskind in place as master architect for long-term oversight of the development of the World Trade Center site."

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    The interesting thing here to me is the comment about the Deutsche Bank site being included in the design, as Libeskind's renderings show.

  8. #113

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    August 1, 2003

    Trade Center Arguments Fade, and a Single Vision Is Emerging

    By EDWARD WYATT

    After months of arguing over Daniel Libeskind's winning design for the World Trade Center site, officials overseeing the rebuilding said yesterday that they had resolved most of their differences, and many agreed that the Libeskind plan was now likely to be built in substantially recognizable form.

    Three developments, in particular, appeared to reflect a growing consensus on how the colossal project should take shape.

    Yesterday, for example, in announcing that a renowned Spanish architect, Santiago Calatrava, had been selected to design the site's new transportation terminal, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the 16-acre trade center site, essentially ruled out the idea of building an office tower atop the terminal. That ensures that its presence will rival the 1,776-foot tower and the memorial to victims of the Sept. 11 attack as signature elements of the redevelopment.

    Also yesterday, the Port Authority reached an agreement with the federal government that allows for the tower to be built on the northwest corner of the site, as Mr. Libeskind planned, rather than closer to the train station, as had been proposed by Larry A. Silverstein, the developer who holds the rights to office space at the site.

    And the Bloomberg administration yesterday signaled its willingness to let the rebuilt trade center expand beyond its former boundaries, incorporating nearby parcels of privately owned land and allowing the dispersal of the 10 million square feet of office space into a less-crowded layout, as proposed by Mr. Libeskind.

    Together, those developments put major rebuilding officials — in the mayor's and governor's offices, the Port Authority and the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation — in agreement to a degree that has not occurred since the redevelopment project began.

    "There's no question that everything is coming together," Charles A. Gargano, the vice chairman of the Port Authority, said yesterday. "I'm optimistic that things are now going to move forward very quickly."

    City and state officials in particular have sparred over a number of issues recently, including the future of the development corporation and its $1.3 billion in remaining money for the rebuilding.

    "There's been a lot of talking about critical issues that are necessary to resolve before the more detailed planning work can get done," Daniel L. Doctoroff, the deputy mayor for economic development and rebuilding, said yesterday.

    "But we all feel under a significant amount of pressure to move this forward quickly," he added. "So we feel it's time to bring them to a close and move forward."

    To be sure, some of the remaining details could become sticking points, and not all of the players may agree with the prescribed outcomes. While rebuilding officials say they have all but ruled out proposals by Mr. Silverstein to build an office tower over the train station and to move the 1,776-foot tower closer to the transportation hub, Mr. Silverstein's spokesman, Gerald McKelvey, said yesterday that he had not been told of those decisions and declined to comment further.

    But in the three months since Gov. George E. Pataki outlined a speedy timeline for the beginning of construction on the site's major projects, several issues appear to have won the approval of participants on all sides.

    Mr. Libeskind, for example, had initially expressed a desire to be the lead architect on the train station, which several officials have referred to as a downtown Grand Central Terminal. But just as with the iconic tower, which will be designed by Mr. Silverstein's chosen architect, Mr. Libeskind will accept a secondary role.

    Because federal money will be used to build the station, the Federal Transit Administration required an architect with more experience on transportation projects. Now, Mr. Libeskind will set the "architectural design guidelines" for the terminal, while Mr. Calatrava will be the lead architect.

    He will work as part of a team called the Downtown Design Partnership, a group that includes the engineering firms of DMJM+Harris and STV. Their work will include the design and engineering of the terminal and the underground concourses connecting the PATH commuter lines and the subway lines that run through or near the site.

    In a statement yesterday, Mr. Libeskind called Mr. Calatrava's work outstanding, adding, "Today is a great day in the rebirth of Lower Manhattan."

    Mr. Calatrava's office in Zurich is closed until mid-August, and his spokeswoman in the United States said he was traveling and could not be reached for comment.

    The selection of Mr. Calatrava pleasantly surprised many of the civic and architecture groups that have closely followed the rebuilding effort. Mr. Calatrava is known primarily for his designs of railway stations and bridges throughout Europe. He has also designed the roof of the Athens Olympic Stadium for the 2004 Games and an addition to the Milwaukee Art Museum.

    "He's the poet of the train station," said Fredric Bell, the executive director of the New York chapter of the American Institute of Architects.

    "His designs capture the spirit of movement," he added. "They are not static. Everything is moving and dynamic. I think he will be a true complement to the Libeskind plan."

    Because both Mr. Libeskind and Mr. Calatrava are known for their strong personalities, it is unlikely that they will agree on everything.

    But Terence Riley, chief curator of architecture and design at the Museum of Modern Art, said, "The chances for success are more than reasonable as long as it is very clear what each architect is responsible for."

    Other important agreements regarding the trade center also appear to have emerged recently. The Port Authority has been studying where to place the security screening areas to be used by trucks making deliveries to buildings on the trade center site.

    Rather than restore them directly beneath the site, the agency's engineers have pushed to place them beneath two sites immediately south of Liberty Street that are currently occupied by the Deutsche Bank building, which will be torn down, and a parking lot.

    Those sites are being considered for some of the office space that would be moved off of the trade center property. Mr. Doctoroff said yesterday that he agreed that the areas beneath those sites could be better for truck screening.

    The Port Authority also has agreed with federal officials that the United States Customs House, which formerly occupied the northwest corner of the site, will be moved to another portion of the site, freeing that corner for Mr. Libeskind's 1,776-foot tower.

    Kevin Rampe, the president of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, said details remain to be worked out.

    "I don't want to be Pollyannaish," he said. "But all of the critical issues where there's been disagreement have either been decided or are nearing resolution."


    Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company

    (Edited by Christian Wieland at 2:53 am on Aug. 1, 2003)

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    August 4, 2003

    Downtown's Architectural Promise

    Not that long ago, it looked as though the redevelopment of the World Trade Center site might be slipping into the mundane track of ordinary commercial construction. The selection of Daniel Libeskind's dramatic plan was all well and good, but the real question was whether the economic and political realities of Lower Manhattan would allow the design to survive in any recognizable form, and whether it would inspire other architects of equal renown. For a while, all the moving parts in the reconstruction of ground zero seemed to be going in different directions toward what might have been, at best, architectural and civic banality and, at worst, incoherence. That risk is still present, but it has been greatly reduced by a number of significant decisions, agreements and compromises over the past few weeks.

    Perhaps the most important of these is the bold choice of Santiago Calatrava, the Spanish architect, to design a new PATH terminal on the site of the World Trade Center. Mr. Calatrava is a master of transportation architecture, and his selection provides just the kind of commitment to serious architecture that this page has often hoped for. His open, organic structures are startlingly beautiful, often evoking the kind of uplifting spirituality that this site will need. The fact that Mr. Calatrava was chosen by the Port Authority suggests that even the most matter-of-fact participants in rebuilding ground zero can see the wonder of its possibilities.

    That good news comes hand in hand with an effort by the Port Authority to expand the redevelopment of ground zero onto adjacent private property, perhaps including the Deutsche Bank building, which must be taken down as a result of 9/11 damage. This offers an opportunity to shift some commercial space off the trade center site, and to make it easier to treat part of ground zero as sacred space. These sound like small increments in the overall plan for Lower Manhattan, but they offer signs of a planning flexibility — and a meeting of many minds — that bodes well.

    Any number of critical moments still await us, including the memorial design competition and the trial that will settle the question of how much insurance money is available for rebuilding. The political and economic machinery of redevelopment could hardly be more intricate than it is in Lower Manhattan, and it will take the good will of all concerned, as well as the vigilant supervision of Gov. George Pataki, to keep all the parts working together and moving forward. Even now, with the site dominated by building equipment and construction workers, thousands of visitors come each day to pay tribute, to imagine what happened on Sept. 11 and to think about what should replace that vast open pit. The possibilities are now more exciting than they have ever been.


    Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company

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    Downtown Express


    Downtowners brainstorm at L.M.D.C. workshops

    Before the Lower Manhattan Development Corp. had a staff or an office, John Whitehead, the agency’s chairperson, in Jan. 2002 said it was “the only organization in history to get over $2 billion that we never asked for.” Now with about $1.3 billion of federal money left to spend, the L.M.D.C. has begun a series of invitation-only neighborhood workshops to get feedback on how best to use the money.

    The first two of six brainstorming sessions were held in the Financial District and Battery Park City last week and many of the participants said they were glad they went.

    Catherine Hughes, a Financial District resident whose apartment overlooks the World Trade Center site, said it was the best of many similar workshops she has attended because at this one, everyone had strong ties to Lower Manhattan.

    “You have people who live and work and are invested in the community,” said Hughes, a member of Community Board 1. “You don’t have people from other places saying ‘restore the skyline.’ They don’t have to walk past the garbage.”

    The L.M.D.C. has invited up to 100 residents, business people and leaders of Downtown non-profit institutions to each of the forums. Kevin Rampe, L.M.D.C. president made opening remarks at the first session Tuesday, and Daniel Doctoroff, deputy mayor of economic development and rebuilding, spoke at the one in Battery Park City. They said they will use the information at the meetings to help them make decisions about Downtown’s future.

    This week, there will be workshops in the City Hall/Seaport area and Chinatown. Next week the sessions will cover Tribeca/Soho and the Lower East Side/Little Italy.

    Kelly Clarke, a Battery Park City resident whose brother died in the W.T.C., may have been the only participant last week who lost a close relative to the Sept. 11 attack. She said discussing the neighborhood issues in small groups reduced the tensions between 9/11 family members and residents. “Everyone was respectful,” Clarke said Thursday as she was leaving the B.P.C. meeting. “There wasn’t a lot of anger like there was at other meetings.”

    Clarke, who was profiled in the June 17 issue of Downtown Express, moved Downtown from New Jersey so she could be closer to the place where her brother died. She said she came to the meeting to give her thoughts about making the pedestrian crossings at West St. safer and heard many good ideas on other subjects from her neighbors. In particular, she liked the idea of turning the closed 10/10 firehouse across the street from the W.T.C. into a fire museum/memorial and opening a new firehouse in Battery Park City, closer to where more people live.

    The subject of West St. was a dominant theme at just about all of the tables at the B.P.C. session. At least one person at almost every table expressed opposition to a proposed vehicular tunnel along West St., either because of the costs, the construction disruption or skepticism about whether the tunnel would ease pedestrian connections.

    At the Financial District session, the tunnel was hardly mentioned. At both meetings, there was a lot of concern about the amount of construction being planned in and around the W.T.C. site.

    “If you have construction going on all of the time and you’re hearing the jack hammering, it is really difficult to live in a place like that,” said Katy Popielarczyk, 24, who lives in the Wall St. area.

    One participant, an executive at a large Downtown department store, said she felt the meetings were too geared to residents and did not focus enough on business needs such as easing traffic problems.. In particular, the executive, who requested anonymity, said the city move to close Church St. and make it into a bus lane has made it harder for customers to get to the store. She did say she felt comfortable expressing her views at the forum.

    There was a lot of support for improving parks and creating programs, spaces and housing for local artists at the workshops. There was strong support for building a connection to the Long Island Rail Road and J.F.K. Airport at the Wall St. session.

    “You’ve got to bring in that transportation center because the businesses are going to leave,” said Donald Simone, a partner at Thacher Proffitt & Wood. The mid-sized law firm had offices in the W.T.C. and plans to move from its temporary Midtown home to the World Financial Center around Labor Day. Simone said he was skeptical that business people would take a train to the airport, but he thought a new commuter connection was essential.

    One Battery Park City resident, Victor Chiu, said he was concerned about what will happen once the $280 million in federal grants to encourage residents to move and stay Downtown runs out. He said there needs to be other incentives to get people to stay past the two year commitment that the L.M.D.C. program requires. “What’s going to happen after the grants are over,” Chiu asked.

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    That is so bad on so many levels I don't even know where to start. The idea that people should be permanently subsidized to live in a neighborhood is especially bad though.

    The workshops should be titled "let us know what's best for you personally in the short term".

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    I'm glad I never have attended these 'workshops'. The LMDC is a mediocre bureaucracy whose members mostly do the bidding of the Pataki Administration.

  13. #118

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    They are invite only.

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    Daily News...

    Ground Zero growth plan

    By MAGGIE HABERMAN and GREG GITTRICH

    The boundaries of Ground Zero would grow significantly to accommodate a new park and better safeguards against terrorist strikes, under a revised master plan obtained by the Daily News.
    The scheme, being crafted by planning officials, preserves the vision of architect Daniel Libeskind while alleviating many problems that have plagued the rebuilding process.

    The Port Authority, which owns Ground Zero, is seeking to expand the 16-acre site to the south by acquiring both the abandoned Deutsche Bank tower and an adjacent parking lot on Liberty St.

    With the added acreage, hundreds of delivery trucks could be routed away from the Ground Zero memorial to an underground security checkpoint below the new 1-acre park - a safe distance from the site's skyscrapers, memorial and museum.

    If Ground Zero is not expanded, PA planners contend that the truck ramp would jut into the memorial area.

    The underground security checkpoint would have to sit below a museum planned for the site and above the PATH platform - creating considerable safety concerns.

    PA officials oppose that plan and say adding land is a must. The acreage sought by the PA also would allow the proposed 10 million square feet of office space to be more spread out.

    "It gives us more breathing room," PA Executive Director Joseph Seymour said yesterday.

    The scheme still must be approved by a committee of officials from the PA, Gov. Pataki's office and City Hall. Financial obstacles remain.

    Deputy Mayor Daniel Doctoroff signaled last week the city would be open to expanding Ground Zero. But he said the city would insist that the PA pay full taxes on any new property - something it does not do at the disaster site.

    Doctoroff also has said the city opposes using any of the $1 billion in federal aid held by the Lower Manhattan Development Corp. to expand the rebuilding site.

    "The issue of how to pay for it is still the open question," Doctoroff said yesterday.

    Despite City Hall's objections, Seymour said the PA believes some of the federal aid should be used to expand the site. "The money that has been dedicated to the site should stay on the site ... and should not be used to do other things that are outside the World Trade Center and the immediate vicinity," he said.

    The PA or Empire State Development Corp. could acquire the new land, Seymour said.

    Environmental concerns also have to be resolved, as some planners are concerned that fumes from the trucks could waft to the memorial, LMDC President Kevin Rampe said.

    "The memorial remains our primary focus," Rampe said.

    The 40-story Deutsche Bank building, which was damaged by the collapsing twin towers, is expected to be demolished.

    Under the master plan, an office tower would rise on the southern end of the bank property. The northern end of the bank property and the parking lot would be turned into a 1-acre park.


    Larry Silverstein, who signed a 99-year lease for the twin towers only weeks before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, is expected to pay for much of the rebuilding with insurance proceeds from the towers.

    Silverstein's spokesman said the developer would not oppose shifting office space to the Deutsche Bank land.

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    Default Ground Zero Developments

    I wonder if rebuilding the St Nicholas Church is still planned for the parking lot.

    St Nicholas

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