View Poll Results: Construction is underway, how do you feel about the final design for the WTC site?

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  • I am more than satisfied; I believe that the final design surpasses that of the original World Trade Center. 10/10

    50 26.04%
  • While nothing may ever live up to the Twin Towers, I am wholly satisfied with the new World Trade Center; it is a new symbol for a new era. 7/10

    55 28.65%
  • I have come to terms with the new World Trade Center; although it has a number of flaws, I find the design to be acceptable. 5/10

    48 25.00%
  • I am wholly disappointed with the New World Trade Center; we will live to regret the final design. 0/10

    22 11.46%
  • I am biased, but honest, and hate anything that is not a reincarnation of the original Twin Towers.

    17 8.85%
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  1. #1441
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    The better thing WOULD have been to set aside a small area (maybe a 20x20 plot or something) and give them more voice in what goes in there.

    What we have to realize is that if 2700 people died, there are probably 10,000+ that knew, or were related to them.

    Getting that many people to agree on anything, nevermind something this emotional, is nearly impossible.

    Give them a nice little square off in a corner somewhere and let them debate about it while the rest of the site is being constructed.

    So long as the developers do not put the facade of a 70 story right up next to the memorial plot we should have no real reason to complain.

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    This is disturbing to me, the new head of the LMDc will not even have an office downtown, he will remain at the Governors office on Third Ave.

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    Panel Tells Council To Proceed With Retail Space at WTC


    June 22, 2005

    At a hearing yesterday held by the City Council's Select Committee on Lower Manhattan Redevelopment, witnesses testified that retail space would be an appropriate space-holder for the barren World Trade Center site until leaseholder Larry Silverstein constructs his five commercial office towers.

    "A blue-ribbon panel of international retail experts recently convened by the Urban Land Institute ... recommended that the permanent retail space on the site be developed now," an assistant vice president at the civic group Downtown Alliance, Jennifer Hensley, testified. "This would probably require foundations for new buildings to be constructed. Retail stores would then be erected and commercial space phased in on top of the retail, as determined by market needs."

  4. #1444


    Bare plinths for the starchitects to place their buildings.

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    On that note I created a poll which will last for two weeks.

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    I am familiar with some of that L+O... I can't say much about it though.....

    Suffice to say, this is something that was seen for a while by a number of engineers, but they did an exhaustive study to prove it.

    Whether it was worth the time and money for the conclusions reached it a matter of personal opinion, and that is the "lightening rod" that will not make for anything productive.


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    ...from Downtown Express:

    Volume 18 ē Issue 4 | JUNE 17-23, 20

    Talking point

    More streets will make Freedom Tower less secure

    By Bill Hine

    Security needs to be an integral part of planning for the World Trade Center site. Last-minute changes can produce problems, as is now reported with the redesign of the Freedom Tower.

    The police department has asked officials to move the tower a safe distance away from the West Side Highway, but there are additional security concerns including the Path trains underneath the site. There is no need to add unnecessary risks during and after construction by placing the tower over an active rail system. The tower could be located east of the rail facility with a more secure, and less crowded site.

    The current direction for the site can be traced to the October 2002 program instructions that were given to the seven planning teams. Fulton St. was slated to be extended to the highway, even though the street had not previously been on the W.T.C. site.

    Since 9/11, streets with security-sensitive facilities have increasingly been barricaded or closed, as happened at Broad and Wall Sts., at Penn Station during last yearís national convention, at the United Nations during special events and elsewhere.

    Yet, plans would concentrate crosstown traffic from the southern end of Manhattan onto Fulton St., which is to become the anchor for an entertainment district. The extension of this street would be alongside the Freedom Tower and the memorial, bringing increased security risks, congestion, and frustrated, honking drivers.

    The Fulton St. extension should not be built. Although modifying the plans and environmental review would take time, that is better than wasting time after construction in an attempt to correct problems. It is also better than having a permanent facility with permanent problems.

    Most of the seven planning teams included connections between towers. Pedestrian bridges have been part of the Financial District for many decades and connect the towers at the World Financial Center. If such an option had been available on 9/11 for upper floors of the Twin Towers, hundreds of lives potentially could have been saved. And virtually all of the teams had buildings with flat roofs, which would allow rescues like those that lifted people to safety when the bomb exploded.

    Freedom Tower security requirements will likely eliminate the extensive use of glass surfaces, to a height of ten floors or more. Instead, protective walls may be required.

    The original site plan by Daniel Libeskind focused on a series of towers that partially encircled the W.T.C. footprints. A curved, raised walkway to view the memorial site was included that echoed the tower arrangement. The concept could be adjusted to accept the multi-story protective walls, with the walkway placed in an offset neat the top of the walls. Connections between streets would continue the concept. To facilitate the curved alignment, the three local streets that border the memorial site could bow slightly outward. This would retain view corridors, while allowing trees to show the memorialís location from a distance.

    Updating plans is essential to increase security, and changes are needed before other improvements are blocked by plans and construction.

    Bill Hine, a former member of a transportation advisory board to the Manhattan borough president, is an industrial designer who lives Downtown.

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    Fulton Street should be built but motorized traffic should not be allowed, for reasons not limited to terrorism. NYC should affirm itself as a pedestrian city.

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    I think traffic should be limited in Lower Manhattan period. I think making Lower Manhattan the first pedestrian CBD in the country would be a big selling point.

  10. #1450


    Not sure it would be too beloved by executives who could not breathe the air outside a Lincoln Towncar.

  11. #1451


    Quote Originally Posted by czsz
    Not sure it would be too beloved by executives who could not breathe the air outside a Lincoln Towncar.
    exact same thought here

    Traffic is already limited downtown, with Wall Street cut off and the smaller streets north of it hardly seeing any cars all you really have left are Church Str and Broadway. You can't close the FDR or the WS Highway for obvious reasons. The two streets I mentioned service express buses from other boroughs and cabs. Church is very wide and I don't honestly see that much traffic congestion there. Broadway is always packed but that's because of the current construction on water str that has the whole area near 120 broadway blocked.

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    I don't find downtown traffic too bad at all.

  13. #1453
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    I found it to be downright empty in Downtown when I stopped by about a month ago, especially on the narrower side streets. But I guess that isn't necessarily a good thing...

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    They've been tearing up the streets so much people probably are used to just staying away.

    It would be nice if even just a few more of the little streets were kept traffic free - like Stone Street.

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    Op-Ed Contributor

    From the Ashes


    Published: June 23, 2005

    SOMETIMES it seems that the most important quality an architect can possess is optimism. For example, it took 12 years for the Jewish Museum I designed in Berlin to finally open to the public. A few hours later it had to close. The date: Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001. That jarring confluence of events not only predated but also presaged my role in rebuilding ground zero. And the memories of what we went through in Berlin give me confidence that we will succeed in New York as well.

    When I won the museum competition, Berliners were divided between those who felt my design would represent the new Germany and others who found it too prominent and unsuitable. Many said the building would never be built. Once it was built, the naysayers said it would never be occupied. When the exhibitions were installed, they said no one would come. Since it re-opened the day after 9/11, it has become one of the most visited museums in Europe.

    We persevered through seven governments, six name changes, five culture ministers, four museum directors, three mayors, two sides of a wall and one unification - with zero regrets. I was called naÔve, foolishly optimistic and worse. Today, of course, the same charges echo in New York. Critics stress that it has been nearly four years since the attacks and claim that little progress has been made. They are wrong.

    In the aftermath of the tragedy, chaos gave way to grief, which eventually turned into a burning determination to do the right thing - for the victims, the families, the city, the nation. Yet what was the right thing? Rebuild the twin towers? Preserve the 16 acres as an empty field of memory? The city and state rightly decided that the public should help answer these questions. A first series of designs was presented and rejected. A second planning effort, international in reach and wide-ranging in scope, led to a spectacular display of finalists at the rebuilt Winter Garden. I was fortunate enough to be selected as the winner.

    It is worth remembering that it was only two years ago that the master plan contract was signed. The general agreement for the creation of land parcels and underground structures was accepted just 20 months ago. Measured against any reasonable standard, this project has come a long way in a very short time. (Recall that after the Oklahoma City bombing it took five years to complete the memorial and six years to finish the museum.)

    Perhaps a detailed explanation of the status of the major facets of the project, and a reminder of what we will have in the end, will help allay New Yorkers' famous impatience.

    The 9/11 memorial, designed by Michael Arad and Peter Walker, set within a tree-filled park, will abut the old towers' exposed foundation, or slurry wall, which descends 75 feet down to bedrock. It will have two sunken pools in the footprints of the towers, 35 feet below the ground, with cascading waterfalls. A full-scale mock-up of the waterfalls is being tested now; construction of the memorial will begin next spring and it should be completed in September 2009.

    The Freedom Tower - which will reach 1,776 feet into the sky - is being redesigned to make it the safest tower in the world. Yes, work has been delayed by security concerns, but we may make up for this with an expedited construction schedule and a simpler, more slender design. The new plans will be made public in a matter of weeks.

    Other aspects of the effort are proceeding apace. Groundbreaking for Santiago Calatrava's spectacular transportation center is set for late summer; work should be completed in 2009. The International Freedom Center and International Drawing Center will break ground on their shared cultural center in 2007; it too should open in 2009. And we will soon see Frank Gehry's design for the performing arts center, which should be completed in about three years.

    At the center of all this will be the Wedge of Light Plaza, a public space the size of the Piazza San Marco in Venice. Its shape was inspired by the configuration of sunlight at the Trade Center at the times on that terrible morning when the first plane struck and when the second tower fell.

    The master plan is not a straitjacket. For example, if a decision were made to convert some towers to residential instead of commercial use, the plan could accommodate that decision without compromising integrity or sacrificing light and air.

    Some things, however, are inviolable. The Freedom Tower must remain the beacon around which the others cluster. It must stand 1,776 feet tall, and it should beckon toward the Hudson River. These are not simply hallmarks of a plastic keychain souvenir. Symbols matter - whether the slurry wall, the Wedge of Light Plaza or the luminous Freedom Tower itself. The quality of what we achieve at ground zero will, after all, define the New York skyline and give shape to our aspirations and dreams.

    When I hear the naysayers carping about the supposed lack of progress, I like to think of a phrase written by George Washington in a letter during the bleak early days of the Revolutionary War: "Perseverance and spirit have done wonders in all ages."

    The record of achievement in America then and now affirms my optimism and sustains my resolve.

    Daniel Libeskind is the master planner of the World Trade Center site.

    Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company

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