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    Awesome work, STR ... looking forward to more as you proceed

    This image shows why 2WTC better be a brilliant piece of architecture:

    http://img273.imageshack.us/my.php?image=w2.jpg

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    STR - Those are incredible! Nicely done.

    What program do you use to create those images, and where do you obtain your figures (blueprints, perhaps)?

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    Yes, they need to make sure they do not put a bunch of chunky blocks into the site to "accompany" the FT.


    As for the base, I still hate that fortified base thing. Makes it look like a military implacement from the future.

    They either have to HIDE that by enclosing it in a large glass atrium or plaza or find some other way to disguise it....

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    Sequoias ?

    Sequoia sempervirens



    Sequoia sempervirens in Redwood National and State Parks

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrShakespeare
    STR - Those are incredible! Nicely done.

    What program do you use to create those images, and where do you obtain your figures (blueprints, perhaps)?
    3D Studio Max 7, and I base them on any figure or map/schematic I can get my hands on, but I picked essentially random numbers for the Church St. towers.

    2WTC: 1,100
    3WTC: 1,000
    4WTC: 900

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    Wall Street Journal

    Who Might Fill Freedom Tower?
    First of All, Feds


    By ALEX FRANGOS
    May 2, 2006; Page B1

    NEW YORK -- Meant to be a shining beacon of liberty and commerce, the rebuilt World Trade Center's signature Freedom Tower is also likely to be a government citadel housing federal law-enforcement groups among other government agencies -- possibly enhancing its profile as a terrorist target.

    Among the prospective tenants are the U.S. Customs and Border Protection and Immigration and Customs Enforcement, now both within the Department of Homeland Security, as well as the Secret Service and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

    The question of who will work in the heavily symbolic skyscraper -- planned at 1,776 feet high -- has dogged rebuilding officials since the days after 9/11. Private businesses scoffed at locating in a tall, high-profile building on the site of two terrorist attacks. New York City's government and the building's owner, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, say they won't take space in Freedom Tower, opting instead for less-visible buildings on the Ground Zero site.

    Last year, architects had to completely redesign the tower to protect against possible truck bombs. The changes include a 20-story square concrete base that critics have likened to a bunker.

    Filling the $2.1 billion Freedom Tower is the first stage of a larger challenge: attracting businesses back downtown and to the other four planned office skyscrapers, including the already built, and mostly empty, 7 World Trade Center. Complicating matters, if federal or state tenants don't sign on in the next few months, the rebuilding plan struck last week between developer Larry Silverstein and several government players could unravel.

    An estimated 25% of the commercial office space at Ground Zero -- and at least 38% of the Freedom Tower -- will be filled by government tenants, echoing the government bailout of the first trade center. But persuading government employees to work there may prove challenging. Some 750 customs and immigration workers fled from 6 World Trade before it was destroyed when the north Twin Tower collapsed.

    "It's frightening," a Customs border-protection worker said in an interview yesterday. The worker, employed by the agency at the former trade-center site, refused to give her name for fear of retribution from supervisors. "When I heard about the Freedom Tower, I just stood still, I couldn't feel," she said. "They're going to have to take me like this" -- she motioned with both arms -- "and move me."


    Leah Yoon, a Customs and Border Protection spokeswoman, says, "Our mission is more important than ever, and to be able to do that from a location that symbolizes so much tragedy for our country is in many ways an opportunity for us to rise above the ashes."

    While the government tenants would create something of a critical mass, urban planners warn they also could drive away private businesses that for cultural and prestige reasons don't like to cohabit with government agencies.

    "The FBI isn't who a big law firm wants to be next to," says John K. McIlwain, senior resident fellow at the Urban Land Institute, an industry research group. For one thing, he explains, the type of "bottom-end" lobby and other economies that budget-conscious government tenants demand differ from the more luxurious touches preferred by the private sector. FBI spokeswoman Christine Monaco declined to comment.

    More broadly, Mr. McIlwain says there is "no perceptible office demand" for the planned 8.8 million square feet of office space, most of which will hit the market at about the same time in 2012. When government is being counted on for a quarter of that space, he says, "you know you have a problem. That's not the kind of tenants you want" to attract private businesses.

    Conversely, some government agencies don't like to mix with the private sector. "There are federal agencies that won't go in with certain kinds of tenants," says Eileen Long-Chelales, regional director of the General Services Administration, the agency that procures space on behalf of the federal government. "There are some operations that are very private in nature, and they don't want the world knowing where they there."

    Some see echoes of the first World Trade Center, which was finished in 1973. "After they built the first trade center, and the place was empty, they went to government to fill it up," says Bettina Damiani, director of Good Jobs New York, a group that fights subsidies to business. She adds: "We haven't progressed."

    Even with government tenants, the original World Trade Center was partly empty for years, creating a glut of space and depressing the office market. Some said it would never fill. But by the late 1990s, it reached full capacity, and the Port Authority was able lease the complex for 99 years to Mr. Silverstein for $3.2 billion.

    Last week, after lengthy negotiations, Mr. Silverstein and a web of government players agreed in principal on a tentative rebuilding plan at Ground Zero whose provisions include relieving the developer of the Freedom Tower, leaving the Port Authority in charge.

    But crucial to going forward is getting federal tenants into the tower, which is by no means a done deal. Indeed, New Jersey agreed to go along with the Freedom Tower takeover only after New York Gov. George E. Pataki promised to lure federal agencies as a hedge against the building being a financial drain to the authority. Gov. Pataki has until September, when the final rebuilding pact is due to be signed. If he can't land a government tenant, the New Jersey half of the Port Authority says it will cancel the Freedom Tower.

    "We are confident government and private-sector firms will go into the Freedom Tower," says John McCarthy, Port Authority spokesman.

    For the task of getting the federal government to take space in the Freedom Tower, Gov. Pataki has turned to his chief of staff, John Cahill, who has an inside advantage: His former deputy is the GSA's Ms. Long-Chelales.

    "Now that there is a deal [with] Silverstein...it makes our conversation more fruitful," Ms. Long-Chelales says.

    But hurdles remain. Congress needs to approve any leases that involve more than one million square feet. Also, the tower will need to meet federal civilian and law-enforcement standards, including parking spaces for federal agents.

    Ms. Long-Chelales wouldn't comment directly about how employees might feel about moving into the Freedom Tower. "I would not even want to get into the emotions," she says. "It's five years later, and memories of Sept. 11 are still in the minds and hearts of those who witnessed and were a part of that day."

    Write to Alex Frangos at alex.frangos@wsj.com

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    This financial blog has an idea with merit (not that it's ever going to happen): fill Freedom Tower with the UN. That would greatly reduce the chances of it becoming a target.

    Fill Freedom Tower with UN

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    Right, no one would ever have designs on the UN. That's why it's currently the most heavily secured building in Manhattan...

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    We discussed this once before in this thread. The U.N. is considered "International Territory." They would be unable to occupy Freedom Tower and retain that status, especially with all of the train lines running below the property. Not going to happen.

    That building will be fine. We just need a government that is not willing to destroy or allow others to destroy American people and property simply to advance a radical agenda.

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    Is this forum filled with 9/11 conspiracy theorists?

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    hmmm ... truth seekers

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    Quote Originally Posted by czsz
    Is this forum filled with 9/11 conspiracy theorists?
    It is not sufficiently satisfying for some that a government's policies and/or ineptitude contributed to a catastrophic event. It becomes necessary to have that government do the deed, thereby removing any responsibility from others.

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    "Some see echoes of the first World Trade Center, which was finished in 1973.'After they built the first trade center, and the place was empty, they went to government to fill it up," says Bettina Damiani, director of Good Jobs New York, a group that fights subsidies to business. She adds: "We haven't progressed.'"

    That isn't entirely accurate. The WTC was 70% leased at the time of opening. Though that was after it had poached almost every business in the city with below market rents.

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    I was just talking with someone the other day who claimed they heard their was no way the WTC could fall just from the fire.

    Some people believe without doubt the government destroyed the towers.

    The people presenting evidence to prove this themselves exclude or ignore variables that they don't understand or have clear information about.

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    They fell because the jet fuel burns quite hot. Not hot enough to melt the support beams, but hot enough to weaken them significantly (Think of a stick of butter, if you put it in the oven it will melt, but if you leave on a table, it'll simply become soft). The weakening of the beams led to the collapse of the upper floors which crashed down onto the lower floors creating a huge spike in the pressure on the lower columns which completely overwhelemed their holding capacity. This led to the complete collapse of the towers.

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