Reply With QuoteThere once was a comic pic somewhere of Pataki in a King Kong costume, having climbed the Freedom Tower. This was the the design before the present one.
I agree with Tectonic. Never did like One's design. The top looks messy and more like "equipment" than a crown.
Is there another case in the world where a spire is held in place by cable wires?
There once was a comic pic somewhere of Pataki in a King Kong costume, having climbed the Freedom Tower. This was the the design before the present one.
I'd like to see what's inside those elements on the communications ring. They're not microwave dishes. And if you get a handle on the scale they're huge and they can't be individual antennas. I'd thing 700mhz antennas for the new LTE networks, but those are suppose to be pretty much done before the tower is functional. There are probably dozens of elements in each one. I'm not sure what might be in the spire. Last I heard, the broadcast deal had fallen through.
It looks a helluva lot better than that garbage they've stuck all over the ESB.
Last edited by Nomadd; January 14th, 2011 at 12:16 PM.
I like tower one's design... except for that ridiculous,Vegas looking, upside down upholstery tack,
which looks arbitrarily dropped on top.
Would've looked better just putting an antenna that looked like the original there instead (damned the height thing).
The interplay between the ring and the spire is not very good. Looks like a patch job. the cables should have more substance and allow a more graceful connection between the two parts. In addition, the circles around the ring are very unpresentable.Originally Posted by Tectonic
I'm not fussy.
I'm just glad to see stuff being built there and the land being rebuilt.
If they decided to put up the same white and orange antenna mast and support wires as the 1 WTC V1 had. How would that look better then the white spire with support wires on 1 WTC V2?.
Does anyone know exactly how this is going to look?
No matter what anyone calls it, it's an antenna tower, meant to hold transmission equipment. The covering on the mast is a radome, material transparent to radio waves. Same for the ring. The cables aren't meant to be architectural; they support the mast and
must also be transparent to radio waves.
The ring will also contain the window washing equipment.
A case of form follows function.
Exactly. Hopefully lots of the ESB garbage will come down once this is up.
Well I was looking at the perspective of that image as taken from above looking down on the new WTC 1 tower, so necessarily there shouldn't be anything taller in frame. That structure on the left looks like it rises well above WTC 1.
But re-reading the thread again, is that supposed to be the reflective view of WTC1? If so I'm still not sure how WTC1 could appear to be that much shorter
Last edited by GordonGecko; January 14th, 2011 at 02:17 PM.
Because it was not as bulky, didn't have the ufo's around the bottom, and wasn't pretending to be anything that it wasn't.
(you really couldn't even see the orange very well (if at all),from the ground.
cropped section of image by:By ajmexico Jamie Cox
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/b...onkey/mast.jpg
Microwave dishes come in all shapes and sizes depending on the frequency they're using. The building, when complete, will almost certainly not have a ring of 72 identically sized emitters. The ones on the model are 9 or 10 feet wide, if I recall correctly (that part is a holdover from the last remake of the model, so the details have long since faded).
No. You would NEVER stick a cell antenna that high up in an urban area. The cell size would be enormous and overloaded 100% of the time. Mobile networks are also just one of many things RF antennas are used for. Some uses would include line-of-sight datalinks and sending signals farther away than is feasible with the omni-directional main antenna.I'd thing 700mhz antennas for the new LTE networks, but those are suppose to be pretty much done before the tower is functional.
Well, yeah, they're actually planning for all the equipment that will be shoved up there in due time. Everything on ESB is literally bolted on.It looks a helluva lot better than that garbage they've stuck all over the ESB.
No, it's perspective. Since the base of 2WTC is ~300 feet to the left and above of the base of 1WTC, it will appear higher in the frame unless you're really close to 1WTC with a wide angle lens. The render simulates being high above the city (probably somewhere a third of the way to midtown so it's almost more of a side-angle shot) with a high power zoom lens.
About the only thing I'm not sure on is the treatment of of the com-ring levels. I left it solid-looking, but will almost certainly be some form of lightweight grating. The proportions are correct, down to the thickness of the kevlar guy-wires. The exact number and positioning of the directional antennas will depend on who signs up for space up there. I made it filled to capacity because it's just easier to delete them later on. It's also likely that we won't see all of them pointing out radially as shown, instead each one will be pointed at a different, specific target. It will be a bit messier than depicted, but I'll mess with that when the thing is done in real life.
Last edited by STR; January 14th, 2011 at 04:19 PM.
How is it pretending to be something that it's not?
It's doing exactly what it was intended: to ensure broadcast signals flow. The antenna was always supposed to be encased in a spire while the communications ring served its purpose. The twins had it lucky, because there were two of them. That's not the case this time.
Seriously though, will New Yorkers really care?
Once it's up we'll get used to it.
Then wouldn't there be more telephoto compression distortion?
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