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Thread: WTC Transit Hub - by Santiago Calatrava

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    Now it's officially in the crosshairs:
    http://gutter.curbed.com/archives/20...avas_wings.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by americasroof
    Now it's officially in the crosshairs:
    http://gutter.curbed.com/archives/20...avas_wings.php
    A blog is far from offical.

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    Official or not, the smell of downsizing is in the air...

    I love Calatrava's design, but what part of WTC2 hasn't been altered since it was first presented? Also notice on the renderings how close the edge of the Calatrava canopy comes to Broadway. Wouldn''t be surprised if NYPD raises a security issue there. And those beautiful sloping walls that come down to the sidewalk -- imagine all the youngsters climing up the sides. And the wings are glorious, but by the end I bet they will be shortened and immobile.

    Caltrava might just pull the whole thing and walk away from it.
    Time is out of joint -- and it seems we no longer have the capacity to realize dreams such as this...

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    It's hard to dream when all anyone has are nightmares.

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    time to cross our fingers and hope this desighn won't be tampered with and get really, really ugly

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    Quote Originally Posted by czsz
    It's hard to dream when all anyone has are nightmares.
    That's the most eloquent summary of the Ground Zero situation I've ever heard.

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    My hope is they will stop once the station is built and I don't have to see Ground Zero every time I come back on the PATH train form meetings at Goldman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by czsz
    It's hard to dream when all anyone has are nightmares.
    Quote Originally Posted by americasroof
    That's the most eloquent summary of the Ground Zero situation I've ever heard.
    HEAR, HEAR!

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    off-topic here, but I live in Bay Ridge too Jake.....what area are you in? I'm near Owls Head Park.

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    I just heard on the news that some of the money Congress earmarked for lower Manhattan will be used to build Calatrava's Transit Hub. There should be no scaling back.

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    The United States Department of Transportation (DOT) press release that was just issued makes it clear that only an additional "$221 million" was "awarded for the Port Authority Trans-Hudson (PATH) terminal." The Port Authority also "received $478 million to construct a security center for the southern World Trade Center site". The New York State Department of Transportation received a "$200 million grant to rebuild the World Trade Center segment of Route 9A/West Street from West Thames Street to Chambers Street."

    The amount of additional PATH money would seem to leave open the possibility of Calatrava's vision being severely compromised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan_Hakala
    ... The Port Authority also "received $478 million to construct a security center for the southern World Trade Center site".
    What does THAT mean? Are we all going to be x-rayed, puffed and frisked to enter this site too?

    There is nothing at the southern end of the WTC site besides the memorial and another way-off tower. Is there something obvious I'm missing or will we now have a security funnel to pass through? Stuff like this kills people's desire to work and live there.
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    Next at Ground Zero, Frank Gehry's security tunnel and sniper alley:


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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynRider
    What does THAT mean? Are we all going to be x-rayed, puffed and frisked to enter this site too?

    There is nothing at the southern end of the WTC site besides the memorial and another way-off tower. Is there something obvious I'm missing or will we now have a security funnel to pass through? Stuff like this kills people's desire to work and live there.
    Unlike the pre-9/11 set-up, which was far more sensible because it was designed by low-paid PA bureaucrats instead of the genius Mr. Libeskind, in the new WTC site plan there will be only one inbound truck ramp for the entire 16 acre site, which contains an enormous underground complex. It will be on Liberty street. ALL deliveries for every single building on the site, as well as tour bus drop offs and such, will have to go through that ramp. This is the #1 security risk, because large-scale trucks will have access to areas adjacent to the foundations of the buildings (see 1993). Accordingly, there needs to be a security screening area for all inbound trucks. It can't be in the street, as there is no room for hundreds of trucks to park. They plan to put it undergrond by the Liberty Street ramp. I didn't realize it was going to cost that much. Now I see where the West St. tunnel money went.

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    I was under the impression it was the community that forced limits on the number of truck ramps.

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