Reply With Quote"The floor is 20 feet below street level."?
That doesn't seem right. Has to be all of 50 odd ft...I'll get elevations from the field.
New York Times
July 10, 2012
World Trade Center Transportation Hub Assumes Its Sinuous Form
By DAVID W. DUNLAP
The oval shape of the main, aboveground entrance to the World Trade Center Transportation Hub — known as the Oculus — has taken shape just west of Church Street (at right). It is about 320 feet long at its longest axis and 100 feet wide. The floor is 20 feet below street level.
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It has cost much more and taken far longer than expected, but as the structural form of the World Trade Center Transportation Hub by Santiago Calatrava begins to emerge, it’s clear that New York and New Jersey will get some serious architecture for all that time and money.
Passers-by have no way yet to gauge how much progress has been made, since the work so far has occurred below street level. PATH commuters who have been threading through and around barriers know something big is going on, but cannot really see what it is. Absent any visible signs, it has been easy to focus on the budget, now nearly twice the original estimate of $2 billion, and on the construction timetable, which has stretched to 10 years from 4.
But for the first time, completion is imaginable. The public centerpiece of the project, an aboveground entrance at Church Street known as the Oculus, has taken on its finished oval shape. The sweeping ceiling beams of the mezzanine are in place. Wherever one turns, the sensuous curves of Mr. Calatrava’s design have taken tangible form.
“The World Trade Center Transportation Hub is going to serve a critical, functional transportation purpose,” said Patrick J. Foye, the executive director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the owner of the trade center site and builder of the hub, which will be part of a network of new transit connections in Lower Manhattan. “But it’s also going to be viewed as a grand public space.”
At this time (and that’s an important qualifier in any discussion of the hub), the Port Authority expects the project to cost $3.94 billion. The first PATH passenger platforms are to be in service by the end of next year. The entire hub is to be in service by the end of 2015: the Oculus, the mezzanine, all the PATH platforms under the mezzanine, the connections to the Seventh and Eighth Avenue subway lines, the links to the Fulton Street Transit Center and to Battery Park City (and ferry service from there).
Mr. Foye was asked whether Mr. Calatrava’s design, once it is visible at full scale to the public, would diminish criticism of the project.
“I think its completion will quell some of that,” Mr. Foye said. “I think, however, that in an age of austerity and limited resources, there is going to be continued, legitimate concern about the overall cost — which, frankly, is a concern I share.”
© 2012 The New York Times Company
"The floor is 20 feet below street level."?
That doesn't seem right. Has to be all of 50 odd ft...I'll get elevations from the field.
That 20' reference seems to be about the passageway beneath the big arch under Greenwich Street, rather than the floor of the oculus area.
I haven't seen this angle before... Do any of you have any renders/diagrams/photos of the 1 train's connection with the Transit Hub? I'm still trying to find out where the southbound platform's connection is.
Correct, B1 Level (the upper retail level) is 19'-10.5" below the street-level east entrance; while B2 or simply the hall (lower retail level) is 51'-1.5" below the street level east entranceOriginally Posted by lofter1
The southbound platform will be accesible from two entries: one located just east of the South Pool and the other one undeground at the concourse levels just between the PAC and Greenwich Street.
I haven't seen this angle before... Do any of you have any renders/diagrams/photos of the 1 train's connection with the Transit Hub? I'm still trying to find out where the southbound platform's connection is.
Thank you! I am glad to finally have a straight answer. The new WTC seems to be even more subway-friendly than the original WTC.
That was the whole point.
It looks like in order to get to the Southbound 1 from the hub you would need to cross under the subway through passageways on the NW or SW corners of the hub and then go back up on the other side. The northbound side is directly accessible from the mezzanine level of the hub (right through the middle of the huge arch?)
Correct.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/busines...xffUvBTaMgI2jI
"Westfield will lend its skills in developing, leasing and operating an initial 365,000 square feet inside under-construction 4 WTC, the WTC Transportation Hub, above-ground along Church and Dey Streets and inside 3 WTC in the planning stage. It will also include 90,000 square feet more when 2 WTC is developed in the future."
The PA and Larry Silverstein have been boasting "approximately 500,000 square feet" (it's on the PA's webpage). Has the mall been downsized by 45,000 square feet?
In any case, how do you guys think the shopping complex will compare to the original?
It doesn't. Most of the original complex's retail complex was housed in the superblock, and was easily accessible from street level. It also covered more ground west of Silverstein's bathtub, but generally had one level.
The new complex is a double level underground retail center, almost completely housed in Silverstein's bathrub, along with three to four levels of retail in Towers 2, 3, and 4's bases. It also has a below grade concourse that runs from the Fulton Street Transit Center all the way to Battery park City, connecting thirteen subway lines and the PATH. Never thought something like this was possible in lower Manhattan, but it definitely makes the WTC more pedestrian friendly.
dbox via OneWtc.com
Oh that's beautiful.
These renderings give the best indications of what the new PATH hub will look like, and they look amazing. On the other end of the PATH line in Newark they need to make the 1.5 mile connection to EWR, it's in the Port Authority's Capital plan with an estimate of $550 Million. Imagine a traveler stepping off a PATH train from EWR and entering the City in this great space.dbox via OneWtc.com
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