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    The platform width is based around the track usage, with more people going to Newark Penn than Hoboken. I would assume that the Hoboken platform was overwhelmed at first due to the advertising and the transit opportunities. Now there are four platforms, with two twice the size of the Hoboken platform and a side platform for emergency egress(it also shows the original footprint of the North Tower, which is a nice tribute). More than enough to offer commuters in a time of rush, however with only one incoming and outgoing tunnel I still believe that all the platforms won't be used to their potential. They were primarily used in the old terminals as holding tracks on weekends.

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    Having been to the "Hub" several times now since it's opened, I have nothing but good things to say about the place. Very well done, and more awe inspiring than Grand Central and dare I say the original Penn Station. At least the 4 billion wasn't completely wasted!

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    New York Times
    December 18, 2016

    A Vestige of the Original World Trade Center Returns to Duty

    By DAVID W. DUNLAP


    A new passageway connecting the Chambers Street subway station to the Oculus Transportation Hub in Lower Manhattan. It incorporates remnants of the original World Trade Center. Credit Pablo Enriquez for The New York Times

    On Monday, thousands of subway riders getting off trains at Chambers Street in Lower Manhattan will pull open metal-and-glass doors that have been closed for years and stream through a travertine-paved passageway.

    Most will be lost in rush-hour oblivion. Some will appreciate the restored shortcut to PATH trains. A few will gasp in recognition.

    That mottled, straw-colored travertine will tell them exactly where they are standing: within the last extant remnant of the original World Trade Center, a portion of the concourse that looks just as it did in the 1970s.

    Well, not exactly. One door, now encased in protective glass, has been spray-painted with orange markings. The notation “MATF 1” is scribbled on it. Below that, “9 13.” The graffiti let rescue and recovery workers know, after the 2001 terrorist attack, that the area had been searched on Sept. 13 by the Massachusetts Task Force 1 Urban Search and Rescue Team, based in Beverly, Mass., and working for the Federal Emergency Management Agency.


    A door from the original World Trade Center on view in the passageway. The markings let rescue and recovery workers know that the area had been searched on Sept. 13, 2001. Credit Pablo Enriquez for The New York Times

    It is an astonishing time capsule, linking the muscular, hard-edge New York subway with the voluptuous, snow-white world that the architect Santiago Calatrava conjured in the World Trade Center Transportation Hub.

    “Our theme is respecting and remembering the past, and including it in a sophisticated way,” said Steven Plate, the chief of major capital projects at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which restored the passageway as part of the $4 billion transportation hub and shopping mall.

    Under Section 106 of the National Historic Preservation Act, the authority was required, as a condition of receiving federal financing for the hub, to salvage, preserve or document remnants and artifacts of the trade center. This includes what is called the “E Subway Entrance,” since the passageway leads to and from the Chambers Street terminus on the E line.

    The authority agreed to incorporate original elements of the passageway — travertine flooring, handrails, steps and ramp, doors and overhead signs — into the new transportation hub. Explanatory signs have been placed on the walls of the passageway and on the door with the “MATF 1” marking.

    At the moment, the passageway is not useful for disabled riders because it leads to a broad flight of 26 marble stairs down into the hub. Glenn P. Guzi, a program director at the authority, said an elevator will be installed next year.


    Part of the original foundation wall, also called the slurry wall, can be seen in the PATH terminal. Credit Pablo Enriquez for The New York Times

    The passageway will serve riders on the A, C, E, 2 and 3 lines. Before the 2001 attack, about 10,000 people went through it daily, Mr. Plate said.

    After the twin towers were destroyed on Sept. 11, 2001, the passageway was closed. It reopened for a few years as a temporary connection between the subway and PATH commuter rail systems, then was closed to permit construction of the hub. During that time, the travertine, handrails and doors were covered in protective plywood.

    Handsome directional signs inside the passageway are to be reinstalled. A less-than-handsome overhead sign outside the passageway (“PATH Trains to New Jersey”) will not be coming back.

    Neither will WTC Newsstand & Novelties, next to the passageway, which was owned and operated by the brothers Reajul Islam and Fakrul Alam-Onar. In September 2015, Mr. Islam said business had dropped to between $100 and $200 a day, from $2,000 to $3,000 a day when the passageway was in use. The few people who stopped by, he said, limited themselves to bottled water or candy bars.

    Mr. Islam said at the time that he needed the passageway to reopen “immediately” if business was to recover. More than a year elapsed. The newsstand straggled along. Then, at the end of November, the brothers surrendered their lease to the Metropolitan Transportation Authority.

    A spokesman for the agency said the newsstand would probably be demolished.

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    good to know, I'll go check that out this week

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    I can't help but roll my eyes at the sensationalists claiming that this connection has been closed since 9/11. I used to use it up until its actual closing in 2008...

    It's disappointing that they didn't attempt to restore the corridor to its pre-9/11 design; only the flooring, handrails, and two signs (from summer 2001) are intact. The rest of it looks cold, icy, and white, unlike the warm, dim, mellow interior of the original mall. Maybe they were trying to make it fit with the Oculus? Personally, so little of the original corridor remains that I'd prefer a full demolition so that the elevation would better suit the new mall. You have to walk up those steps to the original mall's elevation only to descend again down a staircase with more steps than would have otherwise been necessary. It's like a mound that you have to hurdle over before reaching the mall. I think preserving the bank of doors would have been sufficient, considering how much they modified the corridor from the days of the first temporary PATH hub.

    At the very least, could they please swap the 'preserved' door with that lonely door all the way to the west so that they don't obstruct foot traffic? That would just make a whole lot more sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enigmatism415 View Post
    I can't help but roll my eyes at the sensationalists claiming that this connection has been closed since 9/11. I used to use it up until its actual closing in 2008...

    It's disappointing that they didn't attempt to restore the corridor to its pre-9/11 design; only the flooring, handrails, and two signs (from summer 2001) are intact. The rest of it looks cold, icy, and white, unlike the warm, dim, mellow interior of the original mall. Maybe they were trying to make it fit with the Oculus? Personally, so little of the original corridor remains that I'd prefer a full demolition so that the elevation would better suit the new mall. You have to walk up those steps to the original mall's elevation only to descend again down a staircase with more steps than would have otherwise been necessary. It's like a mound that you have to hurdle over before reaching the mall. I think preserving the bank of doors would have been sufficient, considering how much they modified the corridor from the days of the first temporary PATH hub.

    At the very least, could they please swap the 'preserved' door with that lonely door all the way to the west so that they don't obstruct foot traffic? That would just make a whole lot more sense.
    This IMO is complaining just for the sake of complaining. The new place is fantastic in pretty much every way

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    I agree. I suspect the "journey" will become easier when they finally open the R train entrance on the west side of Church St. This is a good step for those coming from NJ who can connect to the E, A, & C without being exposed to the winter weather above ground.

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    New York Daily News
    February 11, 2017

    Woman dies after she falls off escalator inside World Trade Center Oculus while reaching to grab hat

    By DALE W. EISINGER and THOMAS TRACY

    A 29-year-old woman plunged to her death off an escalator inside the famed World Trade Center Oculus early Saturday while reaching to grab a hat her twin sister accidentally dropped, law enforcement sources said.

    The victim, identified by sources as Jenny Santos of Kearny, N.J., managed to grab the hat in midair but reached too far over the escalator railing as she arrived at the upper level on the Greenwich St. side of the transit hub about 5:30 a.m.

    She pitched over the side — hat still in hand — plummeting 34 feet onto the main concourse floor below, sources said.

    Paramedics rushed her to Bellevue Hospital but she could not be saved, officials said.

    The Saturday morning tragedy was the first death at the $3.9 billion Oculus since it opened in March — a decade later than expected.

    The striking white marble transit hub designed by architect Santiago Calatrava houses the New Jersey PATH terminal that was destroyed in the 9/11 attacks and links commuters to 11 subway lines.

    The winged structure, which resembles a bird, also has a shopping mall.

    In October, a woman went into labor and gave birth inside the Oculus. A pair of Port Authority police officers assisted in the delivery.

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    Hate to report this but basically all the massive number of white marble floor tiles are already ruined. Almost all of them have chips, many very large, and many have huge cracks and breaks in them. Doesn't seem like the choice of stone was very wise

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    Then again, marble is very funny when it comes to high foot traffic. It cracks inside its borders and loses some segments but it gives the place some character, breaking it into the city. Not sure if this is how Calatrava imagined his work would be treated but this is New York after all. I honestly didn't expect all the white to stay clean for long anyway.

    The rafters are showing signs of age far too soon. The construction dirt was not cleaned and tunnel dirt from passing PATH trains vent right up the stairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BStyles View Post
    Then again, marble is very funny when it comes to high foot traffic. It cracks inside its borders and loses some segments but it gives the place some character, breaking it into the city. Not sure if this is how Calatrava imagined his work would be treated but this is New York after all. I honestly didn't expect all the white to stay clean for long anyway.

    The rafters are showing signs of age far too soon. The construction dirt was not cleaned and tunnel dirt from passing PATH trains vent right up the stairs.
    City living isn't exactly pristine. The kicked up dust is a positive attribute to the activity level in that area, which was a dopey complaint the frugal complainers had; that not enough people were going to make use of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TREPYE View Post
    City living isn't exactly pristine. The kicked up dust is a positive attribute to the activity level in that area, which was a dopey complaint the frugal complainers had; that not enough people were going to make use of it.
    The place is definitely bustling, and rightfully so - fantastic space. But the floor tiles are broken, there's no way to sugar coat it. They're not "aging" or getting "character" (such as perhaps the Grand Central flooring), they are cracked and chipped and out of character with the pristine white walls and rafters

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    The place is definitely bustling, and rightfully so - fantastic space. But the floor tiles are broken, there's no way to sugar coat it. They're not "aging" or getting "character" (such as perhaps the Grand Central flooring), they are cracked and chipped and out of character with the pristine white walls and rafters
    Well unlike, wines, metallic or wood's water-driven patinas floors materials aren't meant to degrade with grace. If the architect wanted to keep in theme with the rest of the white, what other option was there besides white marble? Calatrava's use of white is a very ingenuous approach to accentuate the forms in the architecture. This is because due to the bends and curves and cuts in the stations interior components will inherently produce different shadows that will results in different shades of gray. A darker floor color would offset that effect.

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    Despite being painted white, how many different colors do you see above. The geometry and light dictate the color and with something this grandiose you couldn't do it justice by doing anything else but keep it white. Yeah you have to clean it..... the same as Grand Central Terminal or Washington's Union Station, its par for the course of train stations, so?

    The marble will wear out and that is ok; it will blend in as do the giant cracks in GCT's floor. Lets see 10 years from now and see what this sole-driven patina produces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TREPYE View Post
    The marble will wear out and that is ok; it will blend in as do the giant cracks in GCT's floor. Lets see 10 years from now and see what this sole-driven patina produces.
    Well yes let's see, but IMO the differentiating factor is that Grand Central has a darker more rustic tone and those floor tiles are completely in character. The transit center on the other hand is of a blinding white theme everywhere accented by contrasting black lighting girders and windows at night. By default one assumes it's meant to be an absolutely pristine space

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    New York Post
    May 5, 2017

    It’s raining inside the new $4B WTC Oculus hub

    By Abigail Gepner and Gabrielle Fonrouge


    The World Trade Center visitors hub "The Oculus" during a roof leak that caused visitors to exit the structure on May 5, 2017. Courtesy of Jen Wieczner

    Billions of dollars of steel, glass and metal were no match for Mother Nature on Friday afternoon, when rain poured through the roof at the Oculus train station like a “shower overhead,” sending drenched commuters slipping and sliding for the door.

    “You should have seen it! It looked like it was raining in here,” an employee mopping up puddles told The Post.

    With a cost of $4 billion, the most expensive train station in the world somehow skimped on a proper roof, and Friday’s torrential downpour turned the World Trade Center shopping mall and transportation hub into a slippery mess.

    “They had to shut down the escalators to make sure it didn’t cause a fire or anything . . . It’s a world-class building, everything’s supposed to be 100 percent,” the employee said.

    Parts of the upper level near the Fulton Center exit were completely shut down around 4 p.m. with buckets and water vacuums in place. A Port Authority employee told The Post the station looked “like someone turned the shower on” and there was a “considerable amount of water.”

    A retail employee at the shopping mall inside Oculus said leaking has happened at the station before. “I feel like we’re in the wild water kingdom, the Rainforest Café,” the employee joked.

    Workers frantically redirected passers-by around the area where the flooding occurred, and the mess was still being cleaned after 5 p.m.

    Jaylenne Guzman, 23, said it sounded like the storm moved indoors. “Between the two escalators there was a leak. It pretty much sounded like it was raining inside,” said Guzman, who works inside the Oculus.

    Another employee said the leak was “only for a short while . . . maybe 10 minutes.”

    The Port Authority said the situation is under control and “the leaks did not impact travelers going to and coming from PATH or NYC subways.”

    “A substantial amount of rain today, coupled with several sections of the WTC site that are still under construction . . . caused water leaks in a few sections of the WTC Transportation Hub,” said the PA.

    “World Trade Center staff has identified the specific areas where the leaks occurred and will take steps to mitigate future problems.”

    This isn’t the Oculus’ first time dealing with rogue ceiling drippings — a persistent water leak was actually one of the main culprits behind the transportation wonder’s delayed opening, according to The New York Times.

    The five boroughs turned into a mini-Atlantis on Friday afternoon when 3 inches of rain slammed Central Park in just three hours, AccuWeather senior meteorologist Dave Dombek told The Post.

    Scores of New Yorkers waded through knee-length water, desperately puddle-jumped and cowered behind spiny umbrellas.


    Visitors try to escape “The Oculus” during a roof leak. Courtesy of Jen Wieczner

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