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  1. #181
    Disgruntled Optimist lofter1's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by stache View Post

    I don't see what the fuss is about. The largest typeface aside from the brand name says "Sexualizing a terrorist".
    That type is from the "funny or DIE" revised version, a visual comment on the Rolling Stone cover

    The bold headline for the photo on the original RS cover shows this:


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    Quote Originally Posted by eddhead View Post
    Those claiming the cover glamorizes Tsarnaev miss the point. The cover is intended to dispell the notion of what the face of Islamic terrrorsim is presumed by many to be - or for that matter, that there even IS a face of terrorism.
    So far, no one has criticized the article, except a rather sad attempt by the mayor of Boston who stated in a letter to the Rolling Stone Stone that maybe they should not have written about him at all, this after admitting that he didn't read it yet.

    Talk about elected officials as role models.

    I think a better word to describe what some may think as glamorous is that Tsarnaev is notorious - famous with a negative quality. Google Image search his name and you come up with this.. Familiar images here that we've all seen in countless news articles - graduation day, a cute 10-12 year old that looks like the boy in Little House on the Prairie. The girl in the panties holding the sign (smart at least not to show her face) that appears near the top of the list points to a two month old Huffington Post UK article about a hashtag #FreeJahar.

    He's too cute to be in jail is definitely glamorizing him. So what should we do, ban Twitter?

    Throughout the ages, the way you get famous is either do really good things or really bad things. Most of us know what I'm talking about when I say Ted Bundy, or Timothy McVeigh, or Adam Lanza; but how many can name their victims? How many can name the 8 year old boy that Tsarnaev killed? Victims are forgotten, but that doesn't they are worth less, and trying to quantify it by saying they should put the pictures of victims on the cover is in itself distasteful.

    We have a tendency to type casts the appearance and lifestyles of religous terrorists in certain lights. This cover is meant to convey how Tsarnaev breaks that mold. He doesn't look like a fundamentalist, jihad driven, repressed nut job, and he did not live his life that way either.
    This is also not a new concept. We don't want these people to be anything like us; we want to put them in a special category, a species all their own. The Banality of Evil

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    That type is from the "funny or DIE" revised version, a visual comment on the Rolling Stone cover
    The Onion Syndrome.

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    I agree, most people want their terrorist to have a head wrap, brown skin, a large beard with a defiant American hating scowl.

    Quote Originally Posted by eddhead View Post
    Those claiming the cover glamorizes Tsarnaev miss the point. The cover is intended to dispell the notion of what the face of Islamic terrrorsim is presumed by many to be - or for that matter, that there even IS a face of terrorism. We have a tendency to type casts the appearance and lifestyles of religous terrorists in certain lights. This cover is meant to convey how Tsarnaev breaks that mold. He doesn't look like a fundamentalist, jihad driven, repressed nut job, and he did not live his life that way either.

    It is scary - for all you know, the popular, good looking, hip, trendy young person in the apartment down the hall from you with pot smoke seeping out from under his door, and rock music leaking into the hallway could be planning to blow up the NY city subway system.

    That is the point of the cover.

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    Can't find the story, but officer Sean Murphy, who released the Tsarnaev capture photos has been disciplined, with I think a five day suspension plus desk duty. Thankfully, no termination. And he's not a bit sorry for it.

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    I am not sure how I feel about that. I thought is actions were extremely unprofessional.

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    But he has the support of the local populace. Pretty important consideration for those whose job it is to protect and serve the citizenry.

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    Was Boston Bomber a white supremacist? Investigation finds Tamerlan Tsarnaev was in possession of right-wing extremist literature in run-up to terror attack

    One of the Boston Bomber suspects subscribed to right-wing white supremacy literature and government conspiracy theories before the horrific attack which killed three people.

    Tamerlan Tsarnaev read extreme right-wing literature that claimed 'Hitler had a point' and articles about the 'rape of our gun rights', an investigation has found.
    The 26-year-old also had material that claimed the 9/11 attacks and the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing were government conspiracies.
    He and his brother Dzhokhar, originally from Chechnya, allegedly carried out the bombing at the Boston marathon's finish line on April 15 which killed three people and injured more than 260.

    Until now the pair are believed to have carried out the attacks due to their radical jihadist beliefs.
    But an investigation by the BBC's Panorama programme has learnt that Tamerlan possessed white supremacist literature, and material on mass killings and how victims were murdered.

    After the shoot-out, it emerged that Tamerlan had become interested in Islam - but to what extent is unclear.

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    The Daily Mail article left out a key detail. The source of much of the material was Donald Larkin, for whom Tamerlan Tsarnev's mother, Zubeidat, was a health care provider.

    A more complete picture here at Atlantic Wire.

    At any rate, I think the evidence that Tsarnaev was a white supremacist is flimsy.

    "Hitler had a point" would be embraced by Neo-Nazis and Radical Islamists. Neither are fond of Jews.

    Conspiracy theories would find an audience among any group in conflict with the government.

    As for Larkin:
    After the bombings, Larkin called the authorities as soon as he recognized images of the Tsarnaev brothers from the television. But now, months later, Larkin has apparently "sunken into anger and depression." He believes the Boston bombings were also a conspiracy.

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    ^It's possible. Tsarnaev could just have been as easily led by one idea as another, not that having views alone is indictable. Below:Two friends from the Times Square picture indicted.

  11. #191


    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp View Post
    The Daily Mail article left out a key detail. The source of much of the material was Donald Larkin, for whom Tamerlan Tsarnev's mother, Zubeidat, was a health care provider.
    That's just the connection to Larkin and the materials. I don't think there is some big conspiracy behind it.

    At any rate, I think the evidence that Tsarnaev was a white supremacist is flimsy.
    No I don't think he was a white supremacist per se, though this is evidence that he was attracted to this type of thinking, which runs through many different types of ideologies and justifications.

  12. #192


    Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Is Guilty in Boston Marathon Bombing Trial


    Aloke Chakravarty, a prosecutor, addressed jurors during closing arguments in the Boston Marathon bombings trial of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, second from right, at the federal courthouse in Boston on Monday. CreditJane Flavell Collins, via Reuters

    BOSTON — After 11 hours of deliberations over two days, a federal jury on Wednesday found Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, a failing college student and the youngest child in a dispersed Russian immigrant family, guilty of the 2013 bombings at the Boston Marathon, the worst act of terrorism on American soil since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

    The bombings almost two years ago transformed one of the world’s most prestigious road races on a glorious spring afternoon into a scene of carnage with bodies strewn across Boylston Street, giving the nation a horrifying glimpse into the consequences of homegrown, self-taught terrorism. The bombs, planted in retaliation for American-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, killed three spectators, blew the limbs off 17 others and wounded 240 more, leaving many with life-altering injuries.

    Mr. Tsarnaev, who stood with his arms folded in front of him, was found guilty of all 30 charges against him. The verdict sets the stage for a second, more contentious phase of the trial in which the same jury will decide whether to sentence him to life in prison or death.

    The courtroom was packed with survivors and victims’ families, many of whom had testified against him. Mr. Tsarnaev was greeted by his lead lawyer, Judy Clarke, who touched his arm and whispered to him.
    There was little doubt that the jury would find Mr. Tsarnaev, 21, guilty of most charges; his lawyers have admitted that he had been involved in the bombings, and they put on a minimal defense, calling four witnesses who testified for five hours. The government, by contrast, called 92 witnesses over 15 days.

    Still, in the first phase of the trial, the defense laid the groundwork for the sentencing phase, casting their client as subordinate to his older brother, Tamerlan, and less culpable for the crimes. The defense team’s goal now is to explain mitigating factors in hopes that jurors will sentence Mr. Tsarnaev to life in prison.

    Prosecutors said that Mr. Tsarnaev, then 19, was a full and equal partner with his older brother, Tamerlan, 26, in carrying out the attack. Dzhokhar, repeatedly faced with choices, never went back on the plan, prosecutors said, even when Tamerlan was not around. This was especially evident when Dzhokhar was hiding in a boat by himself and scrawled jihadist messages. “These were deliberate choices, these were political choices,” Aloke Chakravarty, an assistant United States attorney, told the jurors in his closing arguments on Monday said. “An eye for eye, you kill us, we kill you, that’s what he said and that’s what he did.”

    “This was a cold, calculated terrorist act,” Mr. Chakravarty said. “This was intentional. It was bloodthirsty. It was to make a point. It was to tell America that ‘We will not be terrorized by you anymore — we will terrorize you.’ ”
    The defense, while conceding Mr. Tsarnaev involvement, cast him as a misguided adolescent led by the domineering and malevolent Tamerlan, who was obsessed with violent jihad and who died after a shoot-out with police.
    “We don’t deny that Jahar fully participated in the events,” Ms. Clarke, told the jury in her closing arguments, using his Americanized nickname. “But if not for Tamerlan, it would not have happened.”

    Still, she never pretended that Dzhokhar was not guilty, and all but asked for a guilty verdict in her closing. “When you go back to the jury room, we’re not asking you to go easy on Jahar,” she said. “The horrific acts that we’ve heard about, the death, destruction and devastation that we’ve heard about, deserve to be condemned, and the time is now.”

    But she did ask jurors to keep their minds open in the sentencing phase. At that point, the defense is expected to put on a far more aggressive case in pursuit of its single goal — to persuade the jury to sentence Mr. Tsarnaev to life, not death.

    The defense hopes to present mitigating circumstances that show him as less culpable than his brother. It will flesh out details of Mr. Tsarnaev’s life and family history, which includes his forebears being expelled by Stalin from Chechnya in 1944 and ending up in Kyrgyzstan. His family settled in Cambridge, Mass., in 2002. As his parents divorced and returned to Russia, Mr. Tsarnaev, who became an American citizen on Sept. 11, 2012, fell increasingly under the sway of his older brother.

    Just as defense lawyers seek to impress the jurors with the reasons they should spare Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s life, the prosecution will impress upon them the consequences of his murderous actions. Survivors of the blasts and the families of victims are expected to testify in this next phase, as they did in the first, but this time detailing the physical and emotional effects of the bomb blasts on their lives. Others are expected to discuss how the crime gripped the Boston region in fear for five days.

    On Monday, April 15, 2013, the Tsarnaev brothers set off two pressure-cooker bombs near the finish line of the marathon. The first bomb, set by Tamerlan, killed Krystle Campbell, 29, a restaurant manager who was watching her boyfriend run the marathon. The second bomb, set by Dzhokhar, killed Lu Lingzi, 23, a graduate student from China studying at Boston University, and Martin Richard, 8, who was watching the race with his family; his younger sister, Jane, lost a leg.

    The explosions created utter chaos and turned the medical tents into triage centers; as the police, medical workers and bystanders tended to the wounded, the brothers vanished into the crowds and reabsorbed themselves in their daily routines. Dzhokhar, a student at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth, casually bought a half-gallon of milk at a Whole Foods 23 minutes after the bombing. He later returned to campus, hung out with his friends and went to the gym.

    By Thursday, April 18, the authorities had pieced together enough surveillance images and pictures from spectators to pinpoint the suspects, but they did not know their identities. Once the brothers saw their pictures, they began a mad scramble and apparently planned to go to New York City with a carload of explosives.
    Along the way, according to prosecutors, they killed Sean Collier, 27, an M.I.T. police officer, in an unsuccessful attempt to steal his gun, shooting him in the head at point-blank range, twice in the side of the head and once between the eyes.

    At this point, they realized they needed to ditch their car and drive a different one to New York so they would not be detected. So they carjacked Dun Meng, 28, a Chinese citizen who worked in Cambridge’s Kendall Square, in his Mercedes-Benz S.U.V. They made him withdraw cash from an A.T.M. But as the brothers were momentarily distracted while getting gas for the trip to New York, Mr. Meng escaped and called the police.

    In the wee hours of Friday morning, a huge manhunt began. If not for the GPS device in Mr. Meng’s Mercedes, the authorities might never have caught up with the brothers.

    But they tracked them to a residential street in suburban Watertown, where a firefight ensued with the brothers throwing pipe bombs and another pressure-cooker bomb at the police; more than 2,500 law enforcement officers, many of them “self-deployed,” converged on the scene. Shrapnel rained down on the quiet suburban street and lodged in houses.

    Tamerlan was wounded and ran out of ammunition. Several officers tackled him as Dzhokhar jumped in the Mercedes and started speeding toward the officers, as if to mow them down, they testified; in the process, he ran over his brother. Tamerlan’s body got stuck in the undercarriage of the Mercedes and was dragged about 50 feet; his body was finally dislodged when Dzhokhar sideswiped a police car.

    Dzhokhar escaped in the Mercedes. A new report by state officials said that so many police cars had clogged the narrow residential streets that officers were unable to give chase. Residents in Boston and several suburbs were ordered to “shelter in place” while riot-outfitted police swept houses. Dzhokhar eventually was captured in a dry-docked boat in a suburban backyard, emerging bloodied and dazed.

    Inside the boat, riddled with more than 100 bullet holes, he had scrawled several jihadist passages. “The U.S. Government is killing our innocent civilians but most of you already know that,” read one. “I can’t stand to see such evil go unpunished. We Muslims are one body, you hurt one you hurt us all.”

  13. #193


    I really don't care what happens to Tsarnaev, except that he got a fair trial. For me, the prospect of spending the rest of my life in prison is no less depressing than a death penalty. After a decade or more, I would probably welcome it.

    To end the anguish, drop the death penalty

    In Bill and Denise Richard’s own words

    The past two years have been the most trying of our lives. Our family has grieved, buried our young son, battled injuries, and endured numerous surgeries — all while trying to rebuild lives that will never be the same. We sat in the courtroom, day after day, bearing witness to overwhelming evidence that included graphic video and photographs, replicated bombs, and even the clothes our son wore his last day alive. We are eternally grateful for the courage and life-saving measures of first responders, Boston Police, the Boston Fire Department, and good Samaritans on April 15, 2013. We also thank the FBI and other law enforcement agencies, the Department of Justice, and the Massachusetts US Attorney’s Office for leaving no stone unturned during the investigation and trial.

    But now that the tireless and committed prosecution team has ensured that justice will be served, we urge the Department of Justice to bring the case to a close. We are in favor of and would support the Department of Justice in taking the death penalty off the table in exchange for the defendant spending the rest of his life in prison without any possibility of release and waiving all of his rights to appeal.

    We understand all too well the heinousness and brutality of the crimes committed. We were there. We lived it. The defendant murdered our 8-year-old son, maimed our 7-year-old daughter, and stole part of our soul. We know that the government has its reasons for seeking the death penalty, but the continued pursuit of that punishment could bring years of appeals and prolong reliving the most painful day of our lives. We hope our two remaining children do not have to grow up with the lingering, painful reminder of what the defendant took from them, which years of appeals would undoubtedly bring.

    For us, the story of Marathon Monday 2013 should not be defined by the actions or beliefs of the defendant, but by the resiliency of the human spirit and the rallying cries of this great city. We can never replace what was taken from us, but we can continue to get up every morning and fight another day. As long as the defendant is in the spotlight, we have no choice but to live a story told on his terms, not ours. The minute the defendant fades from our newspapers and TV screens is the minute we begin the process of rebuilding our lives and our family.

    This is a deeply personal issue and we can speak only for ourselves. However, it is clear that peace of mind was taken not just from us, but from all Americans. We honor those who were lost and wish continued strength for all those who were injured. We believe that now is the time to turn the page, end the anguish, and look toward a better future — for us, for Boston, and for the country.

    Martin Richard’s family is seen after a ceremony Wednesday marking the second anniversary of the Boston Marathon bombings.
    (Brian Snyder/Reuters)

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    "...waiving all of his rights to appeal".

    That is the key to the life in prison without possibility of parole agreement. My personal opinion on the death penalty has changed relatively recently when, among other things, I read some compelling studies on the true cost of keeping death row inmates alive and dealing with the series of appeals they are entitled to.

    Tsarnaev should simply be locked away without any possibility of the rest of the world even hearing about or from him. No appeals, no media....just gone. A very few of us might even be around when he breaks longest captivity records.

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    My view about capital punishment has always been that the criminal probably has it coming, but it's not the place of the government to kill citizens. The government & its employees should not ever be in the business of executing people, never mind that a non-insignificant number of inmates are improperly convicted

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