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    You could pay cash in two different locations, or two different shoppers, different times etc.

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    It would still be investigated, right?

    You can't assume a perpetrator would think of it as a clue.

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    The pictures in the papers of guys with bags is yet another troubling development. Are the cops actively using the media to sniff out and hound people who could very likely be innocent bystanders? The factually incorrect reporting, the "leaked" pictures, the profiling, the detainment of the Saudi national...this whole thing stinks.

    The false flag theorists might not be so wacky after all.

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    When police release photos to the public, it usually means that they are at a dead end, that they can't get an ID. If they have leads, they wouldn't want to alert suspects.

    The problem is that evidence gathering is boring, and the media wants to report excitement. Watching Fox and CNN bounce wild speculation off each other yesterday was a joke. Perfect example of how far the press has degenerated.

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    Bad security.
    Horrible journalism.
    Incompetent investigators.

    The only folks deserving praise here are the first responders and the doctors/nurses at the hospitals.

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    And, that 'suspicious man' on the roof was just silly; imagine, someone standing on a nearby rooftop during a major spectator event - what are the odds of THAT.

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    Investigators in Boston blasts hunt 2 men from scene

    Julio Cortez / AP
    Investigators comb a scene of one of the Boston Marathon blast sites, across the street from a Lord & Taylor department store where a surveillance camera recorded someone leaving a bag.



    By Pete Williams and Erin McClam, NBC News
    Authorities investigating the attack on the Boston Marathon focused Thursday on finding two men seen on camera, including one who set down a black bag and dashed away just before the bombs went off.*
    Investigators combed cellphone records in an effort to put a name to the men’s faces. Law enforcement officials said that they were seen from several angles, including from a surveillance camera at a department store, and that one was seen talking on a cellphone.
    After receiving a staggering amount of videos and pictures, investigators are pursuing some promising leads, including images from several sources showing someone carrying a heavy duffle bag and placing it at the spot where the bombs went off. NBC's Pete Williams reports.

    The FBI distributed a photo to other federal law enforcement agencies of the men.
    The official described one of the men in the photo as about 6 feet tall and wearing a baseball cap that was white or off-white. He was spotted at the site of the second of the two blasts, which combined killed three people and hurt 176 near the marathon finish line Monday.

    Investigators still had no conclusion about whether the attack was foreign or domestic terrorism.
    Authorities were weighing whether to release photos of the men. Doing so could help the probe but could also generate misleading tips, and investigators want to pursue their existing leads before appealing to the public for help.
    The FBI was also canvassing hobby stores in the Boston area to determine whether electrical components in the bombs were bought there, NBC News learned.
    At an interfaith prayer service, President Barack Obama reassured both the injured and the city.
    “You will run again,” he declared at the Cathedral of the Holy Cross, less than a mile from the finish line. “Your resolve is the greatest rebuke to whoever committed this heinous act.”
    As Boston grasped for normal life, the city staged its first professional sports event since the blasts — a hockey match that the Bruins played against the Buffalo Sabres at TD Garden before 17,000 people.
    Discovering who was responsible for the bombings could take some time, but investigators are able to construct a mosaic using the many images provided, forensic evidence and secret intelligence, explains NBC National Security analyst and former Director of the National Counterterrorism Center Michael Leiter.

    During the national anthem, the fans gradually joined in singing, and they sent up a deafening roar over the last few bars. One YouTube video of the moment had already been viewed more than 100,000 times.
    In the investigation, authorities said that they had made significant progress. However, asked whether investigators knew the identity of the people of interest in surveillance photos, Gov. Deval Patrick said, “No.” He declined to elaborate.
    Forensic work from the blast zone has helped authorities identify major components of the bombs.
    They were housed in metal containers — at least one an everyday kitchen pressure cooker — and studded with metal, including fine nails or brads, to make the devices more lethal.
    The type of battery pack used typically powers toy cars and trucks, and tens of thousands have been sold in the past year alone, which would make it difficult to trace, said Benjamin Mull, vice president of the manufacturer, Tenergy.


    Authorities are focusing on a video of a man putting a bag down at the location of the bombing at the Boston Marathon.
    The FBI lashed out at news organizations after some reported Wednesday afternoon that a suspect in the case was in custody.
    As of Thursday morning, 58 patients were still being treated in hospitals. That was down from 65 on Wednesday.
    “In general, people are getting better, and we are happy with their progress,” Dr. Peter Burke, chief of trauma at Boston Medical Center, told reporters early Thursday.
    The three people killed in the attack were Lingzi Lu, a Boston University graduate student; 8-year-old Martin Richard of Boston; and 29-year-old Krystle Campbell of Medford, a Boston suburb.
    A trauma surgeon said that doctors have pulled fragments as large as 2 inches, including pieces of wood, concrete and plastic, from the bodies of the injured, in addition to metal shrapnel from the bombs.

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...rom-scene?lite

    *I was wondering about that. I hope they looked carefully at if/how he interacted with others near him. Was it someone with friends who told them "I'll be right back."? Or did the guy just drop & run? They should be checking the reactions or lack thereof on the faces of those nearby, and then he should be considered a suspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    Funny that they picked that guy out from the running victims and assumed he was a bomber because he looked like and was of middle eastern descent. That being said, the bombs were pressure cookers filled with shrapnel which are typical of middle eastern devices in previous incidents. So chances are this was an international attack and not a domestic terrorism case
    GG, do a quick Google on that.

    Many past bombers from all nations (including our own) have used this method. The one thing that makes me believe that this is NOT a "terrorist" attack is because nobody has claimed responsibility. Terrorists do not terrorize w/o a message. This looks more uni-bomber-ish.

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    Evolution of The News

    In Ye Olden Days of TV, whenever there was a bulletin or "breaking-news," the network would break away from scheduled programming and report the news. They might switch to a chaotic news room, where people would be rushing about; you might hear the distinctive sound of teletype machines (TTYs).

    Later, as ratings became more important, there would often be commercials for breaking-news, with "tune in tonight at 7PM." Gone was the urgency and importance of breaking news. In the specially designed newsrooms, talking heads would read the breaking-news. Sometimes you would hear TTYs in the background, but it was a sound effect to give a sense of professionalism to the operation.

    Now, with wall to wall news, there's often a breaking-news banner at the bottom of the screen, usually with a zipper. The video is replayed endlessly throughout the day, sometimes with different commentary, sometimes as a total repeat. What remains is the breaking-news banner.

    Does "live" still mean right now?

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    It should be all over the media in a matter of minutes...The FBI has released photos and a video clip of two suspects they are looking for. They are posted at fbi.gov, but the site is swamped.

    There are vague similarities to the two persons posted earlier...backpacks, a white baseball cap. The baseball cap was worn backwards, so it seems there was leaked information that got distorted.

    The video doesn't show anything suspicious, so there must be other images that weren't released. Probably these give the clearest images necessary to ID the individuals.

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    Back to your earlier question Zip, yes. I'm sure if they have identified the brand and model of pressure cooker the FBI is researching where it was sold etc.

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    Events are moving fast .... one suspect dead, another being sought. Reports say they're both Chechens in US one year .....
    Last edited by Binky Bainbridge; April 19th, 2013 at 07:39 AM.

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    April 19, 2013

    One Suspect in Boston Bombing Is Dead


    By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE and MICHAEL COOPER

    BOSTON — The two suspects in the Boston Marathon bombings led police on a wild and deadly chase through the suburbs here early Friday morning that ended in the death of one of the suspects as well as a campus police officer; the other suspect remained at large while hundreds of police officers conduct a manhunt through Watertown, about five miles west of downtown Boston.

    The surviving suspect was identified as Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, of Cambridge, Mass., a law enforcement official said. The suspect who was killed was identified as his brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26, the law enforcement official said. Investigators believe that both of the suspects were Chechens.

    The Boston region was in the grip of a security emergency as hundreds of police officers conducted a manhunt through the normally tranquil Boston suburbs.

    Gov. Deval Patrick has suspended service on all public transit services in the MBTA system in Boston, including the “T” subway, buses and commuter trains. The authorities asked all residents of the towns of Watertown, Newton, Waltham and Cambridge to stay home and stay indoors. Watertown was locked down early Friday morning, with no one allowed to leave their homes and no businesses allowed to open.

    Several area colleges announced the cancellation of classes on Friday, including M.I.T., Harvard, Boston University, Boston College, Emerson College, Northeastern University and Suffolk University.

    “This situation is grave, we are here to protect public safety,” said Col. Tim Alben of the Massachusetts State Police.

    “We believe these are the same individuals that were responsible for the bombing on Monday at the Boston Marathon,” Mr. Alben said. “We believe that they’re responsible for the death of an MIT police officer and the shooting of an MBTA officer.”

    In the course of the chase, the suspects shot and killed a campus police officer at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and severely wounded a transit police officer, police said. The authorities were investigating whether the suspect who was killed had an improvised explosive device strapped to his body, two law enforcement officials said.

    Edward Davis, the Boston Police Commissioner, told reporters early Friday morning that the two men involved in the chase were the suspects identified Thursday by the F.B.I. as responsible for setting the explosives at Monday’s marathon that killed three people and injured more than 170 others.

    He also said that one of the suspects, wearing the black hat in the F.B.I. photos, was dead and that the other suspect, in the white hat, was still on the loose.

    Early Friday, a virtual army of heavily armed law enforcement officers was still going through houses in Watertown one by one in a search for the second suspect. Police had blocked off a 20-block residential area and urged residents emphatically to stay inside their homes and not answer their doors.

    “We are concerned about securing that area and making sure that this individual is taken into custody,” Mr. Davis said. “We believe this to be a terrorist. We believe this to be a man who’s come here to kill people, and we need to get him in custody.”

    With gunfire ricocheting around the tranquil neighborhood, residents were later told to go into their basements and stay away from windows.

    The pursuit began after 10 p.m. Thursday when two men robbed a 7/11 near Central Square in Cambridge. A security camera caught a man identified as one of the suspects, wearing a gray hoodie.

    About 10:30, police received reports that a campus security officer at M.I.T. was shot while he sat in his police cruiser. He was found with multiple gunshot wounds, according to a statement issued by Middlesex Acting District Attorney Michael Pelgro, Cambridge Police Commissioner Robert Haas, and MIT Police Chief John DiFava. The officer was taken to Massachusetts General Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

    A short time later, police received reports of an armed carjacking of a Mercedes SUV by two males in the area of Third Street in Cambridge, the statement said. “The victim was carjacked at gunpoint by two males and was kept in the car with the suspects for approximately a half hour,” the statement said. He was later released, uninjured, at a gas station on Memorial Drive in Cambridge.

    Police immediately began to search for the vehicle and pursued it into Watertown. During the chase, “explosive devices were reportedly thrown from car by the suspects,” the statement said, and the suspects and police exchanged gunfire in the area of Dexter and Laurel streets.

    A Watertown resident, Andrew Kitzenberg, 29, said he looked out his third-floor window to see two young men of slight build in jackets engaged in “constant gunfire” with police officers. A police SUV “drove towards the shooters,” he said, and was shot at until it was severely damaged. It rolled out of control, Mr. Kitzenberg said, and crashed into two cars in his driveway.

    The two shooters, he said, had a large, unwieldy bomb that he said looked “like a pressure cooker.”

    “They lit it, still in the middle of the gunfire, and threw it. But it went 20 yards at most.” It exploded, he said, and Tamerlan Tsarnaev ran toward the gathered police officers. He was tackled, but it was not clear if he was shot, Mr. Kitzenberg said.

    The explosions, said another resident, Loretta Kehayias, 65, “lit up the whole house. I screamed. I’ve never seen anything like this, never, never, never.”

    Meanwhile, Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, said Mr. Kitzenberg, got back into the SUV, turned it toward officers and “put the pedal to the metal.” The car “went right through the cops, broke right through and continued west.”

    The two men left “a few backpacks right by the car, and there is a bomb robot out there now.” Police had told residents to stay away from their windows, he said.

    During this exchange, an MBTA police officer was seriously injured and taken to the hospital.

    At the same time, Tamerlan Tsarnaev was critically injured with multiple gunshot wounds and taken to Beth Israel Deaconess Hospital in Boston, where he was pronounced dead at 1:35 a.m.

    A doctor who works at Beth Israel, and who lived in the area of the chase and shoot-out, said he was working at home around 1 a.m. when he heard the wailing sirens. He said at a news conference at Beth Israel that he recognized that something was wrong and alerted his emergency room to prepare for something.

    Serge F. Kovaleski and John Eligon contributed reporting from Boston, and Ravi Somaiya and William K. Rashbaum from New York.

    This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

    Correction: April 19, 2013

    An earlier version misspelled the name of a resident who described the police activity in Watertown, Mass. He is Andrew Kitzenberg, not Kitzenburg.

    © 2013 The New York Times Company

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    Let's not forget the 17 yr old high school kid who was "sought" in pictures on Wednesday and likely scared half to death.

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    Electronic vigilantism.

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