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    An image of the Boston Marathon finish line at the moment the first bomb was detonated, 4:09:43 race-time.

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    This afternoon, a hearing was held at the Beth Israel Daconnes Medical Center in Boston, MA

    US Magistrate Judge Marianne Bowler presiding.

    United States of America v. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev

    Tsarnaev was advised of his rights under the Constitution. He nodded that he understood.

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    They'd better have video of that.

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    The formal federal complaint seems contradictory. On line 5 of page 4 it starts with his right to remain silent. Line 6 says "Any statement made by you may be used against you in court, and you have the right not (my emphasis) to have your own words used against you."

    It is mentioned a few different ways in the complaint/transcript of the hearing, that he doesn't have to answer. That was made clear in itself, but that sentence seems separate from the right to remain silent. It makes it seem like if he does say something, he can recant it.

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    The judge is speaking to the accused. When she says, "Any statement made by you may be used against you in court," it applies to anything he says after he answers that he understands his rights. "And you have the right not to have your own words used against you" applies to anything he may have said beforehand.

    Miranda rule is widely misunderstood.

    It doesn't stop investigators from asking questions; it means that the answers aren't admissible in court. If there's overwhelming evidence that a prosecution would lead to a conviction, they can ask questions that have no impact on the court case.

    When Tsarnaev was taken into custody, the "public safety exception" to Miranda was used. He may have been asked if anyone else was involved, or if there was an unexploded bomb somewhere.

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    Life Under Seige in Watertown ...


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    This ^ is part of the "new chapter" I referred to previously. Not a good view of the future.

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    Reported last light on MSNBC, a tenuous connection between one of the Boston marathon bombers and an unsolved triple homicide in Watham, MA.

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    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/vp/51627294#51627294


    File this under something to keep an eye on as law enforcement keeps doing its work on the Boston marathon bombing last week. An initial caveat here. Nobody has any idea if this is connected to the Boston bombing suspects or not. But you should know about this in case it is.

    It is currently an unsolved triple murder in the Boston area. It turns out that unsolved triple murder has an odd and seemingly coincidental connection to one of the two bombing suspects, to the older brother who was killed late Thursday night in a shoot-out with police. Again, file this under one to know about, although we do not know if they're connected.

    Here is what we do know. This is a map of the greater Boston area. Boston proper of course is where the Boston marathon bombings took place last week. Cambridge is where the main suspects in this case had been living, the Tsarnaev brothers. Watertown right next door to Cambridge was the scene of the mass shooting with police that took place on Thursday night. Watertown is where the younger of the two suspects was found hiding in a boat late on Friday night.

    Right next to Watertown is a city called Waltham. Waltham is a education hub in the Boston area. in September 2011, so about a year and a half ago, Waltham was the site of a really grisly murder. it was a triple murder that took place in a quiet residential neighborhood on a dead-end street.

    Sources tell news center 5 the victims, men all in their late 20s or early 30s were stabbed to death with a knife or possibly an ice pick, and drugs were involved. The triple homicide is a major shock in this quiet neighborhood, home to many families. Investigators worked through the night, collecting evidence. They towed away this Mercedes, which may hold some answers to this murder mystery.

    They went to the second floor and saw a very graphic crime scene. There were three dead bodies in the apartment. It does look like the assailants and the decedents did know each other.

    So quiet neighborhood in the Boston area, three men dead, no immediate suspects, but investigators believe that the killer or killers knew the victims.

    Again, this was September 2011. a year and a half later now, there have still been no arrests in this case. The triple murder is still an open investigation. Two of the three victims in the murder were young men who lived nearby in Cambridge, Mass. The third victim was the third person whose apartment that was in Waltham, a 25-year-old named Brendan Mess. It was Brendan Mess's girlfriend who arrived home and found the three dead bodies and the apartment covered in blood.

    Brendan Mess was a local mixed martial arts fighter. He became friends with another man his same age who was a boxer, a really good boxer, a boxer named Tamerlan Tsarnaev. And some of the first reporting on Tamerlan Tsarnaev that came out late last week after the bombing, the murder of his close friend Brendan Mess was described as really the only tragedy that we knew of his life in America. It was described as maybe one of the turning points in his life.

    But that murder is not solved. The thing that was notable about that crime in Waltham, that triple murder, obvious it's notable. It was an unsolved triple murder. That itself is notable. But the other thing notable about this crime is it was a particularly brutal crime scene. These were three, fit, capable young men killed with stabbing injuries to their necks. And this murder was apparently drug-related, but not in the way that drug-related crimes are usually drug-related.

    There was a girl running out of the house, saying there is blood everywhere. And there is like marijuana all over the bodies apparently.

    Marijuana all over the bodies. One of the three victims in that murder had been charged with marijuana possession and the intent to distribute a few years earlier.

    But this has always been one of the strangest details about this crime. A drug-related murder usually means that drugs were stolen, drugs were fought over in some way. And maybe that did happen there in that apartment in Waltham as well. But it has always been a strange detail of that crime that marijuana was left strewn all over the bodies, and $5,000 in cash was left at the scene untouched.

    Again, nobody has any idea of this unsolved triple murder in Waltham is connected to the Boston marathon bombing suspects other than the reported and possibly totally coincidental close friendship between the older of the two bombing suspects and one of the men who was killed in that murder.

    In terms of the drug-related murder and the pot angle, this threat of connection, if there is anything here is a gossamer thread. But drugs have come up in reporting over the last week in terms of understanding how the bombing suspects lived. One of the things reported since the bombings about Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the older one, is that at some point in recent years as he got more and more religious, he began to turn against drinking and smoking and against smoking pot in particular. His mother said he began to push those beliefs on his family members as well. Tamerlan's younger brother Dzhokhar, the other suspect, college friends who knew him say that he suddenly turned against marijuana over the last year after having smoked a lot of it regularly up until then.

    For people who knew him, there were no warning signs. Andrew describes an average college sophomore who played intramural soccer, enjoyed fifa soccer video games, and smoked a lot of marijuana.

    About how often do you think he was doing it?

    Probably every day.

    But you said this year you didn't see him smoking pot as much?

    No I think -- he told me from one of our conversations, he was like oh, I don't smoke anymore.

    We have two brothers, both of whom have recently sworn off marijuana, and we have a triple murder that appears to be somehow related to drugs in which marijuana has been spread over the three dead bodies at the crime scene, and $5,000 cash is left untouched. And, again, nobody knows if there is a connection beyond the coincidental connection between the two crimes, beyond the friendship between one of the victims and one of the bombing suspects.

    Locally, there are new questions being raised about that murder in the Waltham press. Questions being raised by people who have been involved in that investigation. The possible connection between the older suspect in the bombing case and the unsolved murder in Waltham went national today with the website buzzfeed running a very provocative piece on it. In terms of any official response, the Middlesex district attorney's office, who has been investigating the Waltham murder, it's interesting.

    They're not shooting down the idea that there could be a connection. They're sort of saying the minimum they can say at this point without saying much. But they are saying they're looking into a possible connection. They are checking for any connections between Tamerlan Tsarnaev and this unsolved triple murder.

    The connections between these two crimes may be coincidental. There is no reason at this point to say there is more. But as the d.a. looks into this further, watch this space.

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    What Did the Boston Bombers' Parents Know?



    ABC (mother); Reuters (father); AP (brothers)





    Connor Simpson Apr 22, 2013

    The 19-year-old suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev continues to answer the "million questions" from investigators while in serious condition in his hospital bed, where he was charged by the United States on Monday as the White House said he will not be tried in as a so-called "enemy combatant" but as an American citizen. But his parents are planning to come to America and answer for him. Already, they have started providing more details than last week ominous phone calls, elaborate setups, the role of Islam as the Tsarnaev family's big picture begins to flesh out a portrait of two young men gone very bad, before, during, and after the Boston Marathon bombings.

    Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev's father, Asnor, will visit the U.S. in a search for "justice and the truth," reports the Associated Press in a new interview late Sunday. Their mother, Zubeidat Tsarnaeva, told reporters Monday that her husband's trip (they are separated) would begin Wednesday. Zubeidat told The Los Angeles Times in an interview Sunday that one of the suspects' uncles "is a lawyer with a big oil company and he said that he will help us find a good lawyer for Dzhokhar." So much for the Boston public defender's office. (Update: The Boston Globe reports a building where Asnor used to work on cars was searched by the authorities Monday.)

    Asnor, the father, claimed in several interviews with American news reporters in Russia after his sons were named on Friday that they were part of some elaborate setup, "I will never believe my boys could have done such a terrible thing," he told the L.A. Times in a telephone interview from Dagestan. "I have no doubt they were set up." But the Tsarnaev boys may not have been telling their father everything, or else their father is telling conflicting stories from the rest of the family: "Don't worry," Asnor says his sons told him after the bombing, according to an Interfax intervew. "We were not even there." In explaining the setup, Asnor told Interfax that "I believe special services have framed my children."

    Zubeidat, the mother, followed Asnor's media tour with multiple interviews later in the weekend and Monday, and it appears she may have had a better understanding of her sons' thinking or at least a better relationship with them. According to multiple reports, she became quite close with Tamerlan the older brother who was killed in a firefight late Thursday whose trip to Russia and possible influence on his younger brother has become a highlight of the investigation during the last few years of his life. Tamerlan stopped drinking and smoking with his brother and urged their family to adhere to Muslim traditions, Zubeidat says. He gave up boxing, too, which led to a rift with his furious father. ("[The father] said Tamerlan told him that a Muslim must not punch another man in the face," The Wall Street Journal reports in a lengthy profile on the family today.) Tamerlan persuaded his mother to start wearing a hibjab around the house, which also apparently contributed to his rift with his father. Eventually the parents separated and started living apart. Zubeidat started working as an aesthetician from home so she wouldn't have to serve male customers, something she perceived to be against her religion. Tamerlan and Zubeidat grew closer through Islam. ("You know how Islam has changed me," Zubeidat recalls her older son telling her, she told the Journal.)

    Zubeidat says she spoke to her oldest son for the last time on Thursday night, immediately before the shootout that resulted in the 26-year-old suspect's death, though she gave differing accounts about that final conversation. "The police, they have started shooting at us, they are chasing us," Tamerlan recounted, she tells the Journal for today's front-page story. "Mama, I love you," was the last thing he said to her, she told the paper, before the phone went silent. But according to her Sunday interview with the L.A. Times, her last conversation with Tamerlan came the morning before that fatal shootout. "He would call me every day from America in the last days," she said, implying continued contact after the bombings. The mother currently lives in the family's home country of Dagestan, but the Times cites her as saying she is planning a trip to the U.S. with her husband. "During our last conversation on the morning [before the shootout], he was especially touching and tender and alarmed at the same time," Zubeidat told the Times. "'If you need me, you will find me," she says Tamerlan said before up." She also told the Times she didn't know the shootout was happening until her daughter called her and told her to turn on the TV news. Tamerlan allegedly told Zubeidat about the F.B.I. calling him after the bombing occurred and, like his father, urged them to contact the intelligence agency.

    So it now appears that Tamerlan, potentially the "radicalized" brother in the bombing investigation, kept in close contact with his mother over the last few days of his life, just before his death and his brother's capture. It also appears that the mother's story has changed at least once, and that she was speaking with her son up until the last hours of his life. But we don't know how much she knew about the plot, or if she understood why the authorities were shooting at her sons or whether any family members could have turned them in, warned authorities, or remain culpable themselves for any of this in the fraught trail to come. For what its worth, Tamerlan's American wife Katherine Russell, who he lived with and cared for a baby with denies having any knowledge of the potential dark side of her husband's life. She was working seven days a week while he was a stay-at-home dad. Alvi Tsarni, the "exasperated uncle" not the "being losers" one, because it's a big family tree claimed on Friday that Tamerlan had called him on Thursday and "said 'forgive me.'"


    Copyright 2013 by The Atlantic Monthly Group

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    I'm going to be skeptical regarding just about everything Dzhokhar, Mom & Dad say about this. Lots of self interest involved. Not sure the truth is either known by them -- or what any might want to be known.

    In the specific case of Dzhokhar: He fooled his best friends. Apparently he's very good at concealment. Is his version to be trusted?

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    It's very difficult for parents to accept something like this.

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    Especially when the kids are lying to their faces.

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    It wouldn't matter much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp View Post
    Reported last light on MSNBC, a tenuous connection between one of the Boston marathon bombers and an unsolved triple homicide in Watham, MA.

    Transcript follows the video link.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/26315908/vp/51627294#51627294
    Butterfly Effect.

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