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    Why Can't We See That Boston Is More Like Newtown Than 9/11?

    Posted: 04/23/2013

    A week of intense and rapid events in Boston. We are saturated after a flood of words and images. A clear description of what happened is emerging. White hat. Black hat. Two loaded bags infiltrated into the crowd. Boom. And again. Suspects on the run. One dead, the other captured. Beyond bare bones the detail, its sheer quantity, is uncanny. And still these chaotic and riveting scenes, where do they take us?

    A bomb in the streets of Boston is something new. We judge the new by what we know. Only by saying what it looks like can we understand what it is. And it is from there -- appearance and belief -- that our reactions will, for good or for ill, take their course. That is why pretty much everything depends on what we see when we look at the screen. At that crossroads words and images catalyze and explode.

    However charged with meaning, pictures do not speak for themselves. From shock to fear to terror. The story-machine of imagination stretches out from the image. It's the words and the wordsmiths that over and over tutor interpretation. That's what builds the doors and gateways of the public sphere, that's where choice chooses and action moves us.

    It is rare that of its own accord proliferating detail all points the same way. We had better be wary when it does.

    In this last week of one groaning minute after another, the first word and repeated recourse has been to terror. With deafening insistence we have been pointed towards and hammered with the idea that Boston looks like 9/11.

    "Any time bombs are used to target innocent civilians, it is an act of terror," a president averred. (Civilian? That's a bystander to uniformed combat, but the victims in Boston were citizens. Should we not then ask how many people killed by drones have been convicted of a crime?)

    It was men who have "come here to kill people," declares a police chief. (Both Tsarnaevs were in the U.S. for more than a decade; they came here to live and study.)

    "No Miranda rights" for "enemy combatants" shout congressional Republicans. (Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is a U.S. citizen and, for the moment, has been charged as such.)

    These are "foreign nationals" at the "pointy end of the spear" and they must have a "larger network behind them," pundit after pundit of the civil defense society tell us. (Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was thoroughly integrated from the age of 8 through his graduation from high school in Cambridge.)

    Shameless "experts" set to work with insinuation, suggesting that "it's an open question... why that same group wasn't able to remove them from the country," as if suggesting that non-action by the Tsarnaevs' "group" proves its existence, suggesting that "Russia turns out to be, in some ways, the lynchpin of this case," which requires us to ask Moscow "what the brothers were doing when they went back to visit Russia, and why did the Russians ask us to investigate them," ignoring the actual fact that only one of the two visited there (these examples from Richard Falkenrath on Bloomberg).

    Of course, "responsible" journalists caption innuendo by themselves and others with "we don't now this yet." This is like Henny Youngman's famous joke "when did you stop beating your wife?" Why is it that they cannot resist fertilizing the field of resentment and self-righteousness with the lexicon of 9/11?

    Terror is a big business that moves at the speed of the news cycle. It seems that everyone wants a piece of the action. But they are not driven by profit alone. The lure of shock and awe is inexorable.

    Once the first institution of liberty, the fourth estate and their electronic progeny found high drama but little offense in the siege of a city by 10,000 militarized personnel in search of a single person. If the bombing in Boston were actually like 9/11, a terrorist leadership in a cave somewhere would be giddy from toasting this astonishing rate of return on their investment. Isn't there something strange in how we applaud it ourselves?

    Indeed, when the killers' names were released, one could almost feel the whole public sphere breathe a sigh of I told you so. With one allusion after another, talking heads threw us gleefully into the cauldron of cruelty and violence stamped by the name Chechnya. It was authorization for Islam to again become a mantra. And terrorism. The Fox broadcast entity, providing almost Pavlovian cues to legitimate journalism, continues to use those words synonymously.

    How far can this rage extend? Consider that after the body of Tamerlan Tsarnaev was dragged down the street by his brother's car, it was said -- as if reading wounds was reading tea-leaves -- that he was wearing a "suicide vest." If the police have cause for such exaggerated alarm, what should we say of emergency doctors who ring it again? Every little expert, deformed perhaps by profession but enacting the national fantasy of another 9/11, seems to hallucinate their own declarations.

    We know who killed and maimed so many people in Boston. We know who suffocated the ecstatic celebratory event that the Boston marathon has been for a century. Just as we know that it is exceedingly important to track down every clue and bring the survivor to justice. It will be a huge task to try to understand what motives are worth all that and to whom.

    But to understand what all this is we still have to see what it is like. And there proliferating questions form another fork in our national road.

    Can we really see what is right before our eyes? Has a mirage in the form of 9/11 already made that impossible? What if Osama bin Laden really is dead? What if there is no Tsarnaev group?

    Even if there are other evil people in the world, what are these two persons who actually wreaked havoc upon us? What if the two brothers are no more "foreign" (although vastly more malevolent) than the millions of immigrants who have made this country in millions of different ways?

    What if these two starkly different brothers are nothing more and nothing less than pathetic and pathological losers who on some unknown model pumped themselves up for rampage and suicide?

    What if the absurd phrase "self-radicalization" ("radicals" are people who go to the root, not the fringe, a political not a psychological position) is merely euphemism for the similarities between "jihadist videos" and "video games?"

    What if Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is more like Adam Lanza than Mohamed Atta?

    What if Boston is more like Newtown than 9/11?

    Will we be able to see that? And are you prepared to come to grips with what it actually means?


    Peter Alexander Meyers - Political theorist and author of 'Civic War and the Corruption of the Citizen'

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    Excellent points raised in that article.

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    Interesting, yes. And full of truths. But the author errs here:

    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp View Post

    What if these two starkly different brothers are nothing more and nothing less than pathetic and pathological losers who on some unknown model pumped themselves up for rampage and suicide?
    The "model" for this action was not at all "unknown". The brothers aped the Al Qaeda model: Two explosive events, closely linked by time and proximity.

    We know more now, but it's not unnatural to immediately assume the worst after seeing it play out (almost) live on TV (a model cribbed again from Al Qaeda).

    The goal now should be to clear away the fear & fantasy and get straight facts. But overall the author has it right: Our national mindset makes it difficult to decipher that.

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    The model thing is a minor point.

    The primary premise of the article is that while many people lept to conspiracy conclusions involving known terrorist entities, there never was any proof of their volvement. While many people claimed the brothers came to the US to inflict violence, they were here many years before they became radicalized. And while many people wanted to hold them as enemy combatants, they never did identify the enemy they were affiliated with possibly because there were none.

    And oh yes, Dzhokhar happens to be a US citizen.


    I won't go thru chapter and verse about the other major points raised. I agree with all of them, but do do so would be redundent.

    We even had one bone-headed Senator inply Dzhokhar was radicalized when he went back to Chechnya when it was his brother who made the trip. He tried to conver up his mistake but it was a lame attempt. I still can't get over that.

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    Boston Marathon bombers motivated by hatred of U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan: Report

    Meanwhile, a private ceremony was held for Martin Richard, the 8-year-old boy killed during the blasts. MIT cop Sean Collier is also mourned.



    By Jennifer Fermino AND Larry Mcshane / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
    Published: Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 12:46 PM
    Updated: Tuesday, April 23, 2013, 3:39 PM




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    Massachusetts Institute of Technology Police Officer Sean Collier, 26, was also killed by the bombers, cops said.




    The Boston Marathon bombers were reportedly motivated by the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as they plotted the attack and set off their homemade bombs.
    Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, made the revelation under questioning by interrogators looking for insight into the April 15 attack that killed three spectators, The Washington Post reported Tuesday.
    The still-hospitalized ethnic Chechen, who can barely speak because of a gunshot wound to the throat, scribbled notes to indicate that he and his slain brother Tamerlan were acting on their own when they left two shrapnel-laden bombs near the finish line, the Post reported.
    Tamerlan, 26, was a devoted reader of websites featuring extremist propaganda and urging jihad on the U.S. — including one site linked to a Yemen-based offshoot of Al Qaeda, officials said.

    Julia Malakie/The Lowell Sun via AP

    Tamerlan Tsarnaev, pictured here in Feb. 2010. Mass. Tsarnaev, 26, who had been known to the FBI as Suspect No. 1 in the Boston Marathon Explosions and was seen in surveillance footage in a black baseball cap, was killed overnight on Friday, April 19, 2013, officials said.


    He was killed last week in a firefight with police as the siblings made their last stand in suburban Watertown, Mass.
    Details about the accused terrorist’s mindset emerged as victims’ families gathered Tuesday for a farewell to their loved ones at funerals for Martin Richard, 8, and slain officer Sean Collier, 27.
    Little Martin, the bright-eyed boy killed whose images was beamed around the world after the bombing, was remembered by his family at a small private service.
    RELATED: BOSTON HOSPITALS REVISE MARATHON BOMBING INJURIES
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    A U.S. Marine covers the face of a statue of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein with a U.S. flag in Baghdad April 9, 2003. U.S. troops briefly draped an American flag over the face of a giant statue of President Saddam Hussein in central Baghdad on Wednesday as they prepared to topple it in front of a crowd of Iraqis.


    “We laid our son Martin to rest, and he is now at peace,” Denise and Bill Richard, parents of the 8-year-old victim, said a statement.
    “We plan to have a public memorial service in the coming weeks to allow friends and loved ones from our community to join us for a celebration of Martin’s life.”
    The low-profile Mass was attended only by members of the immediately family, the statement said. It was unclear if that included younger sister Jane, 6, who lost a leg in the terror bombing, or Denise, who suffered a serious brain injury.
    The schoolkid was standing with his family near the finish line of the race. More than 200 others gathered along Boylston St. were injured by the twin blasts.
    NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSE CHARTER SCHOOL/EPA

    Boston Marathon bombing victim Martin Richard, 8, held a call for peace at a school event last year. He ended up dying a victim of violence.


    His parents, in their simple two-paragraph statement, also thanked all who came to their aid in the days after the bombing.





    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz2RKkiqsgX

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    It's just about time to excise the name and image of the two murderers from future posts here. They've received enough personal notoriety.

    Perhaps the morgue photo would be OK. But otherwise, no need.

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    Dave Henneberry, now the most famous boat owner in America, sets the record straight ...

    (nothing about going out for a smoke ... and he didn't see any blood on the boat cover)

    Dave's the one that put the ladder up there ...



    Boat Owner Corrects Record on Discovering Suspect

    the lede / NY TIMES
    BySarah Wheaton
    April 23, 2013; 7:27 PM

    For a moment, Dave Henneberry wondered if it was his own blood in his boat.

    Mr. Henneberry, the Watertown, Mass., man who owns the boat in which Dzhokhar Tsarnaev managed to elude a daylong dragnet, described for the first time in an interview with WCVB-TV how he came across the bombing suspect. The discovery, he said, played out differently than has been reported.

    “I know people say there was blood on the boat — he saw blood and went in,” he said. “Not true.”

    When Watertown residents were told Friday that they could leave their homes, Mr. Henneberry went out to his boat, the Slip Away II. He climbed three steps up the ladder, and when he could see into the boat, he looked on the floor and saw “a good amount of blood.”

    “And I said, wow, did I cut myself last time I was in the boat a couple of weeks ago and forget?” he said. “No, no.”

    Then Mr. Henneberry saw the body — but not a face.

    “Oh my God,” is what went through his head, Mr. Henneberry recounted in his distinct Boston brogue.

    He jumped off the ladder, he said, and called 911.

    Mr. Henneberry called himself an “incidental hero,” explaining: “I wasn’t out on the prowl. I was out to see my boat.”

    His home is still an active crime scene, and an online fund-raiser to help replace the pleasure cruiser, which he called his “baby,” has raised more than $10,000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    Perhaps the morgue photo would be OK. But otherwise, no need.
    Click at your own peril!
    http://i.imgur.com/0U0ozqt.jpg

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    They were planning on attacking Times Square, although their disbelieving mother will probably say he said it under duress. Article here:

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...cials-say?lite

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    Play by play from the carjacking victim and how he got away:
    http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/201...zTM/story.html

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    I heard "mommy" yelling last night. She is so full of it.

    I can understand if she has feelings about this, but absolute denial of ANY responsibility after they were in a firefight and killed the cop?

    As usual, it is everyone elses fault.

    One thing though... I want to see how much ammo and weapons they really had. I am beginning to think that the cops were a bit over-amped on this (if you saw pictures of the boat and the bullet holes when Dzhokhar hid there... they said he had no weapons, so why were there so many bullet holes?). Sometimes the biggest danger from a runaway suspect is not the suspect, but the cops chasing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninjahedge View Post
    I heard "mommy" yelling last night. She is so full of it.
    Well as it turns out the Russian security service not only told the FBI / CIA that Tamerlan was a likely extremist / potential terrorist and should be monitored, but we find out today that the Russians made the same warning for his mother. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree...

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    Default Defining Weapons of Mass Destruction (Guns Don't Count)

    The Legal Definition: Weapons of Mass Destruction

    UNITED STATES CODE

    Title 18Part IChapter 113B › § 2332a

    18 USC § 2332a - Use of weapons of mass destruction

    (a) Offense Against a National of the United States or Within the United States. — A person who, without lawful authority, uses, threatens, or attempts or conspires to use, a weapon of mass destruction —

    (1) against a national of the United States while such national is outside of the United States;
    (2) against any person or property within the United States, and
    (A) the mail or any facility of interstate or foreign commerce is used in furtherance of the offense;
    (B) such property is used in interstate or foreign commerce or in an activity that affects interstate or foreign commerce;
    (C) any perpetrator travels in or causes another to travel in interstate or foreign commerce in furtherance of the offense; or
    (D) the offense, or the results of the offense, affect interstate or foreign commerce, or, in the case of a threat, attempt, or conspiracy, would have affected interstate or foreign commerce;
    (3) against any property that is owned, leased or used by the United States or by any department or agency of the United States, whether the property is within or outside of the United States; or
    (4) against any property within the United States that is owned, leased, or used by a foreign government,

    shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life, and if death results, shall be punished by death or imprisoned for any term of years or for life.

    (b) Offense by National of the United States Outside of the United States. — Any national of the United States who, without lawful authority, uses, or threatens, attempts, or conspires to use, a weapon of mass destruction outside of the United States shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life, and if death results, shall be punished by death, or by imprisonment for any term of years or for life.

    (c) Definitions. — For purposes of this section —

    (1) the term “national of the United States” has the meaning given in section 101(a)(22) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101 (a)(22));
    (2) the term “weapon of mass destruction” means —

    (A) any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this title;
    (B) any weapon that is designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or their precursors;
    (C) any weapon involving a biological agent, toxin, or vector (as those terms are defined in section 178 of this title); or
    (D) any weapon that is designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life; and
    (3) the term “property” includes all real and personal property.

    *****

    18 USC § 921 - Definitions

    (a) As used in this chapter —

    (4) The term “destructive device” means
    (A) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas —
    (i) bomb,
    (ii) grenade,
    (iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces,
    (iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce,
    (v) mine, or
    (vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses;


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    Saudi Arabia 'warned the United States IN WRITING
    about Boston Bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev in 2012'



    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ecca-2011.html

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    Question: How many "warnings" did the US receive about possible suspects in the year 2012?

    I am all for hindsight, and do not like it when politicians overlook things that they do not feel is in their own interest (9/11....) but still....

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