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    Stop-and-Frisk Ruling Will Remain in Effect Despite Bloomberg’s Request


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    By Andy Cush | September 18, 2013 - 09:37AM


    Last month, the Bloomberg filed a request with federal judge Shira A. Scheindlin, asking her to delay the effects of her recent court decision against stop-and-frisk until the city filed its appeal. This week, Scheindlin denied that request. ”Ordering a stay now would send precisely the wrong signal,” she wrote yesterday. “It would essentially confirm that the past practices, resulting in hundreds of thousands of stops — overwhelmingly of minorities — that resulted in little or no enforcement action or seizure of contraband were justified and based on constitutional police practices.” “Stay” is the legal term for the delaying of court proceedings.

    That means that, at least until the city files an appeal, Scheindlin’s orders, for a court-appointed monitor to oversee the NYPD and lapel cameras for cops in high stop-and-frisk precincts, will go forward. For what it’s worth, Scheindlin seems confident her ruling will be upheld. “The city made no convincing showing of a likelihood of success on appeal,” she wrote in her decision on the stay request.

    http://animalnewyork.com/2013/stop-a...bergs-request/

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    Uh-oh!

    Terror will once again rule the streets!!!

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    Disgruntled Optimist lofter1's Avatar
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    Just like the old days ...


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    Surprise: Victims of Police Harassment Don’t Like Police


    By Andy Cush | September 19, 2013 - 09:23AM

    A new study by the Vera Institute of Justice confirms what may seem like an obvious truth: people who have been stopped and frisked and live in areas with a high police presence generally distrust the NYPD. According to the Daily News, the study found that “for every additional time someone was stopped, that person was 8% less likely to report a violent crime.”

    The 500 survey respondents lived in Bed-Stuy, East New York, Jamaica, East Harlem, and the South Bronx, and all had been stopped at least once. Nearly half of the participants said the cops used force on them, and 85% said they were innocent and were eventually let go (a number that, as the News notes, is supported by NYPD’s own stats). Three quarters of the respondents said they wouldn’t go to the cops to report a crime, and 59% maintained that stance even if they were the crimes victims.


    It boils down to this: not only is stop-and-frisk unconstitutional, not only is it an ineffective method for stopping violent crime, it may actually make it more difficult for police to find violent criminals due to (justifiably) uncooperative members of the community.


    “Our main finding is pretty plain and simple,” said Jennifer Fratello of the Vera Institute. “Stop-and-frisk is compromising the trust needed for public safety.”

    http://animalnewyork.com/2013/surpri...t-like-police/

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    You can't go half despotism.

    You either become totalitarian or not, otherwise you hamstring your effectiveness.

    The ONLY thing Stop and Frisk is good for is to make the crime numbers worse, despite seeming additional effort to curb it, warranting even more invasive regulations. The downward spiral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    Just like the old days ...

    Kelly ad-libbed that great scene.

    He's also pretty awesome in Once, on Broadway.

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    5 Reasons That New York Post Editorial on Stop And Frisk Is Bullshit

    by Christopher Mathias

    The New York Post on Friday published a terrible stop-and-frisk editorial, one day after publishing an equally terrible stop-and-frisk article.

    The gist of both pieces of this shitty, anonymously-sourced "journalism" is this: that a federal judge's ruling last month -- which said that the NYPD's use of stop and frisk is unconstitutional -- might be responsible for an uptick in gun violence over the last month.

    Cops, the Post says, are scared to make the "necessary stops" because of the judge's ruling, which in turn emboldens criminals to carry guns.

    It's no coincidence that the NYPD fed the Post (long the department's parrot) this article one day after that same federal judge denied the city's plea to delay the implementation of her ruling, pending an appeal.

    Here are five reasons why the Post's and the NYPD's argument is absolute bullshit.

    Please, New York, don't let them get away with this shameless, awful, good-for-nothing fear-mongering.

    1. WAY, WAY TOO SMALL OF A SAMPLING SIZE

    Long before Judge Shira Scheindlin's ruling in August, shootings spiked over month-long periods multiple times. Like, every year. That's, like, just how crime happens. Some months are worse than others. To even speculate that this past month's jump in shootings is due to a federal court ruling is laughable.

    2. THERE IS NO PROVEN CORRELATION BETWEEN STOP AND FRISK AND A DECREASE IN SHOOTINGS

    Example: The number of police stops have continued to decline this year, and are on pace to dip to a 10-year low. And yet, New York City hasn't descended into chaos.

    In fact, New York City this year is on pace to have a record low number of murders and shootings, even lower than 2012's record lows. From a press release from the mayor's office, via Gothamist:

    Through Sunday, September 8th, New York City has seen 84 fewer murders than at this point last year: 228 murders in 2013 compared to 312 murders in 2012 -- a decrease of 26.9 percent... Through Sunday, September 8th, the number of murders committed with firearms is down by 57 from last year: 131 in 2013 compared to 188 in 2012 -- a decrease of 30.3 percent.

    Through Sunday, September 8th, New York City has seen 255 fewer total shootings than at this point last year: 774 shootings in 2013 compared to 1,029 shootings in 2012 -- a decrease of 24.8 percent.
    3. THE CONSTITUTION

    In the Post editorial, there are these two awful paragraphs:

    Moreover, things likely will get worse with the reforms she's imposed, including a monitor for the cops -- and even an advisory board of professors, none of whom have on-the-street policing experience.

    As Heather Mac Donald notes on the preceding page, the profs are mainly hard-left advocates for whom everything revolves around race and racism. They have no clue about how cops must actually do their work, making vital, split-second decisions.

    I'm pretty sure cops, Mayor Michael Bloomberg, and Police Commissioner Ray Kelly don't know as much about constitutional law as Judge Scheindlin. Like, for example, that the NYPD's stop-and-frisk regimen really just might amount to institutionalized racial profiling.

    4. THE RULING HASN'T CHANGED ANYTHING YET

    As Daily Intel highlights in this AP report, none of the judge's recommendations have even been implemented yet. In other words, the ruling has changed nothing about policing in New York City. From the AP:

    [Scheindlin] said the vast majority of the overhaul won't be implemented until the monitor and the facilitator meet with the community, the police department and other stakeholders to create sensible solutions.

    "In short, the only activity at this stage is discussion between the monitor, the facilitator and the parties to develop the remedies," she said. "No other specific relief is imminent, much less ordered."

    5. TOO MUCH STOP AND FRISK ACTUALLY MAKES COPS' JOBS HARDER


    Both yesterday's Post article and today's Post editorial failed to mention this actual study, with actual data and actual research, that was released Thursday. That report, by the non-partisan Vera Institute, showed that those young people stopped repeatedly by cops over the years (some over 20 times) are likely to not report violent crimes, even when they are the victims.

    Basically, stop and frisk has caused them not to trust the NYPD, and is making them refuse to cooperate with cops.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christ...p_ref=new-york

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    I wouldn't even line a birdcage with that rag...

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    Since Bla is likely to be mayor, I'm sure he's going to yank the NYPDs chain back on a number of fronts. Let's give it two years, and see what the numbers look like.

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    Yes, lets.

    Lets also wait to see what is to blame. As in another post, if the crime numbers go up, it must be because of the unusually high number of Billionaires living in NYC!


    *wark*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merry View Post
    5 Reasons That New York Post Editorial on Stop And Frisk Is Bullshit

    by Christopher Mathias

    The New York Post on Friday published a terrible stop-and-frisk editorial, one day after publishing an equally terrible stop-and-frisk article.

    The gist of both pieces of this shitty, anonymously-sourced "journalism" is this: that a federal judge's ruling last month -- which said that the NYPD's use of stop and frisk is unconstitutional -- might be responsible for an uptick in gun violence over the last month.
    Results for the second one-month period since the judge's ruling.

    Through 10/06/2013

    Shooting incidents: 88..........(2012) 98............ -10.2%

    It doesn't prove anything, other than that the NY Post editorial is indeed bullshit.

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    I gave up on the Post a few months ago. I haven't even glanced at it. And you know what? Haven't missed a bit of news (not that what the Post publishes could be called that). It is the epitome of a rag newspaper. Total garbage front to back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishInNYC View Post
    I gave up on the Post a few months ago. I haven't even glanced at it. And you know what? Haven't missed a bit of news (not that what the Post publishes could be called that). It is the epitome of a rag newspaper. Total garbage front to back.
    I don't read the front but sometimes look at the back. The sports section isn't too bad.

    They also used to have a decent business page. It was one page, but provided a decent summary. But I have not really look it it over in months, if not years.

    The paper is 1/2 step better than the National Enquirer. And th Daily News is not much better if at all.
    Last edited by eddhead; October 17th, 2013 at 11:01 AM. Reason: The older I get, the worse I type

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    The Post is New York's equivalent of Britain's The Sun. Both are just like the Onion, but they actually take themselves seriously. Also, whenever the Onion is being offensive, they do it in a tongue-in-cheek manner as biting sarcasm. The same cannot be said about The Post, which tends to hit below the belt in a rather ugly manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeCom View Post
    The Post is New York's equivalent of Britain's The Sun. Both are just like the Onion, but they actually take themselves seriously. Also, whenever the Onion is being offensive, they do it in a tongue-in-cheek manner as biting sarcasm. The same cannot be said about The Post, which tends to hit below the belt in a rather ugly manner.
    The only part worthy of viewing in The Sun is the nature section on Page 3.

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