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    Angelica "not getting fair treatment" channel 2 news coverage tonight. Tune in to news...l

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    Has there been a bail hearing (arraignment)? Was she formally charged before a judge?

    It seems she was held in custody while the case went to the grand jury. Nothing since.

  3. #18


    There seems to be some confusion regarding whether or not she has been officially charged: according to the channel 2 news report this evening. The story really seems to be trending: the more exposure on the obvious mishandling of this case, the better it will be for the release of Angelica.

    She may be a bit of a 'cold fish' - but she is no murderer. IMHO

  4. #19


    This isn't really a big story yet, so I dug around for local press coverage, and came up with:

    On Tuesday, May 5, some media outlets reported that a grand jury had indicted Graswald on second-degree murder, however the reports proved premature. A telephone call from The Paper to the Orange County Court on the afternoon of May 6 confirmed that a formal indictment has not yet been handed down.

    Under New York State law, a defendant charged with a felony in criminal court must be released within six days unless a preliminary hearing is held, resulting in continued incarceration. Alternatively, a defendant can be kept in custody beyond six days if the district attorney files written certification with the court that an indictment has been voted on by a grand jury. Such a submission indicates only that a vote by the 23-member grand jury has been taken, not that a final indictment has been issued.

    The preliminary hearing for Graswald scheduled for May 5 in New Windsor was canceled and the case shifted to Orange County Court in Goshen. The Paper has learned, from a source familiar with the case but who requested anonymity, that certification indicating the grand jury has voted on a charge against Graswald has been submitted to the court, however it is not yet known if or when a final indictment will be forthcoming.

    Cold Spring resident Dorothy Carlton attempted to visit Graswald at the Orange County Jail. “She’s had no support at all, no visitors other than reporters,“ Carlton said. “She has no family here.” Carlton said she got to know Graswald about seven years ago through the local music scene, including when Graswald worked at Whistling Willie’s American Grill. “I wanted to tell her to stop talking to the press; that was doing her no good and I just wanted her to know that she has some support and help her get a message to family.”

    Carlton said she was not allowed to see Graswald, although a number of media outlets were permitted to conduct interviews, including News 12 Westchester and People magazine. Carlton said she thinks Graswald’s willingness to talk to the media may stem from a “naiveté that she can clear herself” by doing so. Graswald had recently agreed to be interviewed on the television program Inside Edition but then declined on the advice of her lawyer, although she did appear briefly on camera in the program segment dealing with her case

    The title, "Accused Murderer Remains in Custody," is an overreach. She is a suspect, not accused of anything yet.

    Listen to your lawyer, Angelita. Shut up.

    Something about these "A" women.

  5. #20


    TV News clip - link is probably time sensitive.

  6. #21


    As this story was developing, it reminded me a little of a 1951 film A Place in the Sun, with Montgomery Clift, Elizabeth Taylor, and Shelly Winters. On their first date, Clift gets Winters pregnant, which disrupts his upward-mobility plans with the wealthy Taylor. He plans to murder Winters in a boating accident, but out on the lake, he has a change of heart. However, there's an accident, and Winters drowns. Clift left clues behind pointing to his guilt, and he was charged with murder.

    It was reported that Griswald was unemployed, and was being supported by Viafore, and they planned to get married. Viafore had life insurance policies, but his sister was the beneficiary.

    So where was the motive.

    Well, as it turns out:
    Julie Mohl, an assistant district attorney, said Ms. Graswald, 35, was aware that she was the beneficiary in two life insurance policies belonging to Mr. Viafore, who was 46. Ms. Mohl said that Ms. Graswald stood to gain $250,000 and “talked about what she could do with the money” after his death.
    Kayak Suspect Said She ‘Felt Good’ Fiancé Would Die, Prosecutors Say

    By LISA W. FODERAROMAY 13, 2015

    Angelika Graswald, 35, at a bail hearing on Wednesday in Orange County, N.Y. She is charged with second-degree murder.
    Credit Allyse Pulliam/Times Herald-Record, via Associated Press

    Prosecutors at a bail hearing in Orange County, N.Y., on Wednesday said that Angelika Graswald, the woman accused of intentionally drowning her fiancé in the Hudson River last month, had told the police that she tampered with his kayak and had said it “felt good knowing he was going to die.”

    When the police announced the arrest of Ms. Graswald on a charge of second-degree murder, they described what they called “inconsistencies in her statements” that implicated her in the death of Vincent Viafore, whose body has not been found.

    But at the hearing, prosecutors went further, said the district attorney’s spokesman, Christopher Borek, and quoted Ms. Graswald in what sounded more like a confession.

    Julie Mohl, an assistant district attorney, said Ms. Graswald, 35, was aware that she was the beneficiary in two life insurance policies belonging to Mr. Viafore, who was 46. Ms. Mohl said that Ms. Graswald stood to gain $250,000 and “talked about what she could do with the money” after his death.

    In a news conference after the hearing, Ms. Graswald’s lawyer, Richard A. Portale, seemed baffled by the turn of events, calling the contrast between inconsistencies and an apparent confession “a really big difference.”

    He also said he thought the statements were coerced. He attributed some of what prosecutors said Ms. Graswald told the police to a language barrier. Ms. Graswald, a native Latvian, speaks Russian and still struggles with English, he said.

    Ms. Graswald’s bail was set at $3 million in cash or $9 million bond. She remains in jail.

    Also on Wednesday, the Police Department for the Town of Poughkeepsie said that a body was pulled from the Hudson shortly before noon, but would not comment on whether it was Mr. Viafore’s.

    © 2015 The New York Times Company

  7. #22


    The film has many similarities with one glaring difference that leaves me doubtful of her guilt: in the film, their was a strong motive for wanting to murder - Angelica, as far as I can see, has none.

    The more I look at this, the more a come away with the determination that; more probably than not - it was an accident.

    It's a bit like the finding on that New England Patriots Quarter Back, "he probably knew of the deflation" . My opinion of innocence is vague and inconclusive, and completely unsubstantiated but I will be quite surprised if Angelica is proven guilty beyond a shadow of doubt: which is the required standard of proof required in a criminal case.

    Lots more to this story will surface with time: let's wait and see.

  8. #23


    Ok, there IS a motive. I just skimmed through the previous post by Zippy: and I totally missed the 'insurance policy' part of the story.

    So, as evidence comes in, and there is an accretion of facts; my 'opinion' on this case changes.

    Fortunately I will not be on the jury, as I would probably be napping when 'exhibit a' in the prosecution is presented........ LOL

  9. #24


    The hypothermia chart previously posted by SM has two columns. The second column is the approximate survival time. But since Mr Viafore was not wearing a life jacket, the first column - exhaustion and unconsciousness - is more relevant. He would have drowned long before death from exposure.

    Couple’s Kayak Trip on Hudson Included Missteps and Dangers, Experts Say

    By LISA W. FODERAROMAY 20, 2015

    Brian Grahn, who owns Hudson River Expeditions, an outfitter in Cold Spring, N.Y., with a white-water kayak similar to the ones used by Angelika Graswald and her fiancé, Vincent Viafore.
    Credit Robert Stolarik for The New York Times

    On an unseasonably warm Sunday afternoon in mid-April, Angelika Graswald and her fiancé, Vincent Viafore, departed in their kayaks from Plum Point Park on the western shore of the Hudson River. As they paddled, they took in a vista that includes Breakneck Ridge on the east, Bear Mountain on the west and a particularly wide expanse of the river in between. Their destination was Bannerman Island, a dollop of land holding the ruins of a castle.

    The police say that as they paddled back to shore, Ms. Graswald intentionally caused Mr. Viafore’s death and they have charged her with second-degree murder. Her lawyer says that she is innocent. But kayaking experts say the trip could easily have ended in tragedy regardless of what actually happened on the river that evening.

    Though the police described the couple as experienced kayakers when Ms. Graswald was arrested on April 29, paddling experts say the two made a long list of rookie mistakes. Chief among them: Mr. Viafore, 46, whose body has yet to be recovered, did not have a life jacket, the police said. (Ms. Graswald, 35, did.) Even kayaking professionals wear life jackets in all conditions.

    “Any experienced paddler wears a P.F.D. all the time, every time, period,” said Brian Grahn, who owns Hudson River Expeditions, an outfitter in Cold Spring, N.Y., referring to a personal flotation device, or life jacket. “You would never see a professional paddler without it, whether you’re on a pond or in the Mediterranean. It’s a big deal.”

    Other mistakes included the outerwear the couple wore and the vessels they were in. Until mid-May, when the Hudson’s water temperature reaches 60 degrees, experienced kayakers wear either a dry suit or a wet suit. The couple wore neither.

    A dry suit, which can range from $400 to $1,400, is best for the coldest conditions, experts say. A full bodysuit with latex gaskets around the wrists and neck, it completely seals the wearer against cold water. Usually, a Polartec base layer is worn underneath for added protection.

    Often, casual kayakers conflate air and water temperatures. The police say that on the day Ms. Graswald and Mr. Viafore ventured out from the riverbanks of New Windsor, N.Y., the water temperature was 46 degrees.

    According to the National Center for Cold Water Safety, most people experience a “cold shock response” in waters between 50 and 60 degrees. “This means that an unprotected immersion in this temperature range will cause most people to completely lose control of their breathing — they will be gasping and hyperventilating as hard and fast as they can,” the center’s website reads.

    Carey Bond, an instructor for New York Kayak Company, which is based at Pier 40 in Manhattan, said he would wear a dry suit well into May. “Things go bad fast,” Mr. Bond said, adding that he has suffered mild hypothermia. “It’s one of these things where you’re not always aware that it’s happening. Your motor function is compromised. Your judgment is impaired. It’s very debilitating.”

    On the day that Mr. Viafore disappeared, the couple were taking their kayaks to Bannerman Island.
    Credit Robert Stolarik for The New York Times

    Indeed, on a kayak outing on Monday that traced part of the same route as that of the couple, the water — now in the low 60s — was cold enough that a kayaker’s hands started to go numb in a couple of minutes.

    Techniques in self-rescue or assisted-rescue are also critical for kayakers who want to tackle the Hudson, whose currents and choppy conditions are notorious. It is unclear if the couple had such training. But given the strong wind and rough waters that evening, it is possible that Mr. Viafore was separated from his kayak the moment he went over.

    “Whatever is in the water is going to go with the current, and whatever is on the water will go with the wind,” said Bill Garrison, who owns Mountain Valley Guides, a kayak touring company in Cornwall-on-Hudson, near where the couple launched their boats. “Many times you can’t fight the current to reach your kayak.”

    After Mr. Viafore was reported missing, Mr. Garrison checked the tide chart to understand what the couple encountered. The tide was going out to sea during their entire outing, which began at 4:15 p.m. “When they left Plum Point, it would have been an easy paddle to Bannerman Island,” he said. “On the way back, it would have been much harder.”

    The couple kayaked frequently, their friends said, and owned their boats. (Facebook posts of Ms. Graswald show the red and blue kayaks in their living room.) But those kayaks, experts says, were probably the least suited to conditions on the Hudson.

    A close inspection of an online photograph of the couple’s kayaks showed the brand to be Zet Kayak USA, a company that specializes in white-water kayaks.

    In general, kayakers who plan to cover long distances in choppy water, like the Hudson, will choose a boat that is long — around 13 to 15 feet — such as a touring kayak. A touring kayak also has twin bulkheads, or sealed-off hollow areas in the bow and stern, assuring maximum buoyancy.

    “White-water kayaks are short, and there’s little or no flotation,” Mr. Grahn said. “It’s the worst choice for the Hudson.”

    A drain plug on top of a white-water kayak.
    Credit Robert Stolarik for The New York Times

    At a bail hearing last week, a prosecutor with the Orange County district attorney’s office said that Ms. Graswald had tampered with Mr. Viafore’s kayak and had told the police that “it felt good knowing he was going to die.” The authorities have not specified what they believe Ms. Graswald did to the boat.

    Some white-water kayaks have drain plugs on the top that are used to rid the kayak of any water by flipping the boat over back on dry land. Ms. Graswald’s lawyer, Richard A. Portale, said that Mr. Viafore’s plug was in the couple’s apartment and that it had been pulled out of the kayak some time ago.

    In theory, a missing plug would not cause the kayak to flood since the hole is small. In very choppy conditions, however, waves will splash directly into the cockpit, causing the kayak to ride low in the water and become unstable.

    What happened that day on the river was an accident, Mr. Portale said, adding that Ms. Graswald’s comments to the police were coerced.

    “Vincent went out to the island in those waters, at that time of day, with no life vest and no plug and a few beers,” he said. “Vincent capsized and drowned, and it’s tragic.”
    © 2015 The New York Times Company

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    The body of a man found floating in the Hudson River was positively identified Sunday as a missing kayaker believed to have been murdered by his fiancee, law enforcement sources said.
    Officials had not determined what killed Vincent Viagore, who disappeared April 19 after his kayak turned over about 50 miles north of New York City during a boating trip with Angelika Graswald.
    Graswald, 35, was arrested several days later and charged with second-degree murder charge after prosecutors said she admitted to tampering with Viafore’s kayak.
    Authorities said she was looking to cash in on Viafore’s $250,000 life-insurance policies.
    Sources said the drain plug had been removed from Viagore’s kayak.
    Viafore held onto his boat for 5 to 10 minutes, but Graswald called 911 some 20 minutes after his kayak capsized, prosecutors said at her bail hearing.
    According to authorities, witnesses said Graswald intentionally capsized her own kayak.
    She later told investigators that she felt relief and “it felt good knowing he would die,” Mohl said.
    Last edited by infoshare; May 24th, 2015 at 06:10 PM.

  11. #26


    I have believed in the innocence of Angelica from the very beginning: and mounting evidence now support the conclusion that this incident was nothing more than an "accident".

  12. #27


    I sense that this will be the replacement for the Amanda Knox thread.

  13. #28


    Quote Originally Posted by BBMW View Post
    I sense that this will be the replacement for the Amanda Knox thread.
    Particularly when more people see Angelica's wacky interrogation video: she really did incriminate herself - but she in not guilty IMHO, just wacky..........

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