Yup tbal I saw the pillings this morning. I can't wait very excited!!!!
I also forgot to mention this, which I saw on the kannekt forums:
http://www.lwdmr.com/galleries/14/
This is that 23-story building approved last November right off of Hoboken Ave....so it looks like we have not two, but THREE beautiful high rises coming to the Square area!
Im not sure I totally get it. It is good news for the city and everything, but it seems like a lot more work to take that site over other ones in the same general area. Whats the advantage of demolishing a 16+ story building when there are plenty of full sized parking lots still flooding the downtown landscape. I would think the city would push hard to fill these plots of land before developing already used land and buildings. I understand the location is great and that either way, its good for the city, it just doesnt seem as productive to move people out of the city before moving them all back in again when they could build new buildings to fill first so they wouldnt have to evict anyone.
Although, I wonder if GS could take advantage of all these refugees in need of office space for a little while until they can be relocated since they still have a third of the GS tower to fill.
Yes I Love It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I Can"t Wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh cool, where exactly is that? is that where there is that parking lot now near 1 & 9?Originally Posted by tbal
Most of the lots your talkihng about will be built on and are owned by Mack Cali and Harborside, Merril Lynch, and Goldma Sachs. Most of the offices in 30 Hudson are city offices and the shorter building has bank offices. This will be a tall set of buildings I can't wait.
Yea nafo it ia the corner of Hoboken Ave. and 139 aka the elevated roadway over the covered roadway.
The 23 story tower is on Hoboken Ave just off the upper level of 139. Its not directly on 139, but because of the angle of the streets, its less than half a block. This puts it pretty far from JSQ, relatively speaking, but probably will bring a lot of investment into the area. No ground breaking on this yet, and the lot is still a parking lot with cars in it.
As far as the Monaco towers, they have broken ground:
http://newyorkssixth.com/newyorkssix...co-towers.html
And regarding the Montgomery street land acquisition, it sounds like simply the developer wanted to get a foothold in the market and bought their way in, so while I'd love to see the other parking lots filled in, they are all tied up with other projects already, even if those are delayed. I would assume it would probably take another year to clear out the existing buildings of tenants and put together a proposal, probably its at least 5 years away from being completed, but still its great for the area. Whoever posted the link about the sale, do you have the original article source citation?
Has there been any further talk about the HS6,7 plot or the HS8,9 plot? I heard rumors that the land at Harborside 8 and 9 was being sold for apartments.
And what about the metropolis towers expansion? I haven't seen anything happening there in months, does anyone know why? I would have thought the parking garage at least would be underway by now.
Ianmac, the source of the sale is Jarrett Renshaw of the Jersey Journal it is still online and was on the front page of the Journal yesterday.
Metropolis Towers expansion I have no idea the site is prepped.
As far as I know the only Harborside building to come close to move forward is Harborside 4.
Any other question, Ill try and help.
Someone who lives in Metropolis scanned in a notice they received and posted it over at kannekt or jclist (I forget which one) right before demolition of the lowrise section of the building, and if I remember correctly, they stated that the new parking structure would begin to go up in the Spring of 2007...maybe they're still waiting for the permits from the city, or negotiating a contract with the construction company...
I'm still wondering what's going on with 2 Second Street (I know they did that soil remediation a few months ago, but since then, nothing has happened). I'm also wondering what's going to happen with the triangular plot of land that the Athena Group had cleared out right next to the Powerhouse...has the city given Athena development rights over it? I wonder what the terms of the agreement were, because I could definitely see a building of about 20 stories or so going up there.
Also, I wonder what kind of planning Applied Co. is doing behind the scenes for the rest of the land at Columbus Plaza...they put up a huge white-colored facade on the exposed part of the parking structure, as if they don't plan to complete the construction for awhile...
One more thing - does anyone know if any major developer has bought that HUGE lot behind Washington Commons? That lot is definitely big enough for a major office tower. And I wonder what's going to happen to the senior housing right across from 30 Montgomery? It's so close to the Exchange Place PATH station. When do you guys think that building is going to go? I'm sure some sleezy developer will bribe the city with a promise of a huge new senior housing complex somewhere far, far away from the waterfront.
oh, i didnt know that was senior housing, i thought that was just condos or rentals. either way, something like that is hard to say what they will do. Those old 60's Corbusian box structures surrounded with huge parking lot "plazas" around them can be updated like the Metroplois towers projects. Where its probably too much hassle for a developer to evict everyone in those buildings and tear them down, they can just design an infill scenario to more effeciently use what is wasted valuable land on parking lots.
The other structure further up Montgomery from the senior housing has this case with a mid rise building surrounded by a huge parking lot. Instead of kicking people out or tearing the building down, its prob a good idea to just build around the building on the parking lot to save money, time and the effort of getting everyone out. Not to mention that if designed well, it can bring storefronts to the sidewalk which will bring street activity to the area.
As for the triangular park across from Athena, they could very well build a high rise there, but it seems like its a good corner to just have a little sitting park area right across from what could be a busy cultural center at the powerhouse.
I assume the Metroplis towers expansion will go Parking Garage, then new towers on Columbus, followed by the third proposed tower in the other corner, based on those architectural renderings that surfaced a few months back. I wish they would get going on this though because the complex now really adds nothing to the city's urban landscape but the new towers will definitely play a big roll in connecting Grove Street to the waterfront, especially once Columbus plaza gets retail units.
As far as Columbus Plaza is concerned, I'm quite perplexed. There were rumors that the original proposal was an apartment tower on the east side and an office tower on the west. Then "Columbus plaza" was birthed, the renderings showing the current tower and midrise section with a low rise section up to the glass PATH octagon. But now it seems that construction west of the existing parking deck is non-existent. I much rather see a tower rise on that corner than an empty lot or even a little low rise building. But who knows.
2 Second Street I haven't been by in a few weeks because its kind of out of the way, but I'm assuming nothing is happening yet. I should probably swing by this weekend I suppose.
The lot behind Wash. Commons is half in the PAD, half out. Wash. Commons buyers claim the developer is telling them its zoned for low rise only. This might be the PAD limitations. I wouldn't be surprised to see some movement on the property with a mid to high rise something soon, maybe 1 or 2 years from now.
I've been thinking about the senior housing building; its on a massive lot considering the existing footprint. they could probably strike a deal to leave the existing building and build something new on the rest of the property. The city probably needs the money too.
I believe the triangle lot across from Athena is City owned land, and Athena basically traded the cost of removing the dirt pile for the right to temporarily put a sales office there. This might end up being a small park eventually once the powerhouse redevelopment project goes into effect. (Or maybe the new location of the PATH substation attached to the powerhouse). Anyway, from what I heard the city didn't want to pay to remove the dirt on the lot and was hoping a developer needed clean fill and would take it away for free. instead, Athena moved the dirt to another city lot.
Finally, in the article about 30 and 2 Montgomery street, there was one line of particular interest:
"Meanwhile, the city is working on plans to consolidate all offices, perhaps building a City Hall annex on Grove Street."
I heard a rumor maybe 6 months ago that the city has been thinking of building a parking garage / mixed use office building on the corner of Marin and Montgomery, where city hall employees currently park. I think the plan was a parking deck, retail, and office space. This could be part of that rumor, I suppose.
hey, does anyone know whats going on with the Cliffs project? That might be nearing completion (externally anyways) since its not too tall of a project. Last I saw, it was a few stories tall in the winter.
That line about the City Hall expansion caught my eye too...isn't Majestic II supposed to go in near City Hall as well?
As for the housing complex, I did see a rendering a few months back (I think it might have been by the same architect working on Metropolis) for a low-rise urban infill around the existing tower. But I still wonder if the owners are thinking about razing the building and going high.
About Columbus - the last I heard was that they are weighing either having a single office tower or two additional residential towers with (if I remember correctly) something over 700 rental apartments...keep in mind that whatever they build will have its own on-site entrance to the PATH, so this might explain why they may be taking their time to strategize and weigh their options really carefully...
Majestic II is suppose to wrap around Montgomery Street west to Grove south to York; basically the western 1/3 of the block. The city owns the parking lot on the eastern 1/3 of that same block and uses it for parking. I think the article was inaccurate when they suggested the annex would ON Grove Street, when I think they probably mean that City Hall ON Grove Street would get an annex.
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