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Well that just the thing, it's wedged between the Turnpike and it's off ramp to C. Columbus Dr, the Old Colony Shopping Plaza and low income housing on Montgomery. Yea it seems like a rough area to start to develop, but it needs to be done.
Just west of the Pathmark. Not the greatest area so I won't hold my breath that it breaks ground in this market. I bet it will be rental if it does.
Well that just the thing, it's wedged between the Turnpike and it's off ramp to C. Columbus Dr, the Old Colony Shopping Plaza and low income housing on Montgomery. Yea it seems like a rough area to start to develop, but it needs to be done.
NIMBYS in PAD Slap JC
City slapped with Powerhouse Arts District lawsuit
by Charles Hack Tuesday June 03, 2008, 7:27 PM
A neighborhood group has filed a lawsuit to invalidate an amendment to the Jersey City's Powerhouse Arts District development plan that would allow a developer to build three towers of 30 or more stories.
Attorney Michael B. Kates, an attorney for the Powerhouse Arts District Neighborhood Association, said the lawsuit against the city was filed Monday.
The suit seeks to invalidate an ordinance passed by the City Council in April that would allow the developer Toll Brothers to build three towers 30 or more stories -- two of them at the site of the old Manischewitz factory at Morgan Street and Marin Boulevard and one across the street at Morgan and Warren streets.
The original redevelopment plan approved in 2004 called for projects limited to 10 stories filled with spacious "live/work" units for artists. This plan calls for 950 residential units, 12 of which would be live/work units, and 32 affordable housing units. Toll Brothers is also providing $2.8 million for affordable housing.
It also envisions a 550-seat performing arts theater with a $1.5 million subsidy from Toll Brothers, extensive gallery space, and the 24,000-square-foot Provost Plaza.
The suit alleges that the city did not follow proper procedures, and the outcome is not consistent with the city's Master Plan.
"This ordinance could not be adopted without first going back to the planning board to evaluate whether this is still an an area of redevelopment," Kates said.
City attorney Bill Matsikoudis and Toll Brothers officials would not comment because they said they have not seen the lawsuit.
"We firmly believe that the amendments were appropriate to further Jersey City government's legitimate interests and we were completely within our right to do so," Matsikoudis said.
The suit also seeks unspecified compensation, punitive damages and costs.
It's not about NIMBYs.Originally Posted by JCMAN320
It's about preferential treatment to a national developer - inconsistent planning and zoning.
It's about the domino effect that city council said wouldn't happen.
The city is setting itself up for more amendments by the smaller local developers. It's the city that is holding up the construction. Not the PAD.
No one is against new construction - just keep it in scale to what surrounds the properties.
Huh? If you require that all new construction match existing scale, you would barely have anything built. There would be no cities anywhere if the construction were required to match the existing landscape.
Typical NIMBY response.
40 story tower across the street from a 3 story building - this is normal?
^In one of the largest metropolitan regions in the world, yes.
Have you stood on the corner of Bay and Marin? Everything to the north and west is low rise.
Put 40-story tower on Warren; build the 30-story on Marin. I don't care what metropolitan city it's across the river from - building along Marin should be the transition zone it was intended to be.
Maybe there should be a transition zone, but still if you live in a city you should expect high rise buildings,and its not worth getting all worked up about.
correct me if im wrong but arent there (3) 35+ story towers already 2 blocks away with two more planned? i dont understand how everyone thinks that these new towers will be completely out of context with the surrounding area. maybe the existing towers arent technically in the PAD, but im pretty sure new high rises wont really hurt the feel of that area, which otherwise is surrounded by empty lots.
The high rises are along Washington and Christopher Columbus Boulevards. High rises near the PAD are to the east and south. The Toll Brothers' towers will be built in the center of PAD; they will be surrounded by low and mid rise buildings. All the existing residential buildings will be looking into parking bases (eight to nine stories) on narrow local streets. None of these buildings are over ten stories.
Every new high rise has these 24-hour brightly lit parking bases (six to 11 stories). An unfortunate reality - very $$$ to build underground parking garages because most of the waterfront property, especially north of Paulus Hook is landfill.
Yes! It's called a big city. Big cities have many buildings of all shapes and sizes.
Anyways, if there is a three floor building and a forty floor building, why is the forty floor building out of context? Maybe it's the three floor building that needs to be demolished and replaced by a more contextual tower.
Anyways, you are just taking the wild extremes. The WTC will have a 1,776 foot tower across the street from a one-floor fire station. I'm amazed the NIMBYs aren't complaining about that one.
Well, using the NIMBY logic, if there are empty lots, then even a one floor building is out of context because it is taller than anything surrounding it.
So you think a high rise should be built anywhere absolutely anywhere at anytime? Why? What's the this obsession that EVERY building must be a high rise?
Well look at what's happening in Brooklyn and LIC. In Greenpoint they are building 20-30 story buildings in low-rise neighborhoods. Look at Downtown Brooklyn, they are building high-rises just steps from low-rise brownstones and buildings. As much as I want the Nets to stay in Jersey, if this AYs thing happens your going to have highrises as high as 500 ft next to historic brownstones. We live in a growing city and this is going to happen.
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