That makes more sense, thanks.
NYatKNIGHT their not talking about the building being triangular but the position of the building is in a triangular position facing other buildings so the the views are not blocked.
That makes more sense, thanks.
I know they say 55 and 50 stories, but that doesn't say much when so many buildings assign arbitrary numbers - has the actual height of these towers been mentioned?
.Trump's tall plan for Jersey City
Luxury housing calls for highest towers in state
Wednesday, September 21, 2005
Donald Trump, who loves to describe his projects using words such as "biggest" and "greatest," will soon get to use another superlative -- "tallest." As in the tallest building in New Jersey.
Trump and Dean Geibel, principal of Metro Homes in Hoboken, announced plans yesterday for what would be the state's two tallest towers, which they plan to build on the Jersey City waterfront. Trump Plaza Jersey City, as the project is being called, would include a 55-story tower with 445 condominiums and a 50-story tower with 417 condominiums.
The taller of the two buildings would be 13 stories taller than New Jersey's current top skyscraper, the 42-story Goldman Sachs Tower at 30 Hudson St. in Jersey City, built in 2003.
"This is a high-quality luxury project worthy of the Trump name rising in one of the most exciting places in the country today," Trump, who was traveling and unavailable for interviews, said in a statement.
The project marks a turning point in the development of Jersey City, long a hotbed for rental apartments and office space but a newcomer to the luxury condominium market.
Given the scarcity of housing and skyrocketing prices in New York City, industry experts say wealthy apartment seekers are looking for alternatives along New Jersey's so-called Gold Coast. Developers who 18 months ago were wondering whether there would ever be a luxury condominium market in Jersey City have seen prices rise from $400 to $600 per square foot to nearly $800 per square foot -- or $800,000 for a 1,000-square-foot unit.
"Jersey City has always proven itself to be robust in whatever market it has entered," said Emanuel Stern, president of Hartz Mountain Industries. "It's only natural that there should be a condominium element there."
Carl Goldberg, principal of Roseland Property, which has built extensively along the Hudson waterfront, said Trump's decision to jump into the market is a signal, especially to foreign investors, that Jersey City is a major player.
"The Trump branding is so strong in the luxury market, it is meaningful that he is doing this," Goldberg said.
For Geibel, who has built smaller developments in Hoboken, the project with Trump is a bold move. While Trump becomes the public face of the project, Geibel has essentially paid a licensing fee to slap Trump's brand across his buildings. Developers have done this in the past because studies have shown Trump's name can add $100 per square foot to sale prices and increase the velocity of sales.
The $415million project at Bay and Washington streets is fully approved, and construction is scheduled to begin later this year with occupancy beginning in November 2007.
The towers will have a seven-story base that will include a 700-space garage, retail space, a private 8,000-square-foot fitness center, a rooftop plaza with an outdoor heated swimming pool, a private landscaped yard, a children's play area and an enclosed basketball court. The buildings will include studios and one-, two- and three-bedroom apartments with marble bathrooms, hardwood floors and state-of-the-art kitchens.
Geibel and Trump are set to present the project to the public for the first time tomorrow with Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy. Geibel said in a statement he and Trump would create a "world-class living experience in Jersey City, with its incomparable views of the world's most famous skyline, outstanding amenities and convenient transportation links."
The positioning and triangular design of the residential towers will provide most units with Manhattan skyline views.
"It's going to take time and be stressful, but Dean is going to pull this off, and it's going to reposition Jersey City," Eric Kaiser, another leading developer in Hoboken, said of Geibel. "This is going to put Dean in the major leagues."
Just because it has 13 more stries doesn't mean it will be taller it depends of the height of the floors 101 Hudson is also 42 stories but GMS is much taller .Originally Posted by STT757
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Latest Trump Venture Is in Jersey City
By TINA KELLEY
Published: September 23, 2005
JERSEY CITY, Sept. 22 - With a trio of trumpeters playing a fanfare, Donald J. Trump on Thursday helped unveil an artist's rendering of his latest project, Trump Plaza: Jersey City. The new luxury condominium development would be the tallest residential development in the state.
The $415 million project will include two towers, 50 stories and 55 stories, with 862 condominium units and 23,000 square feet of retail space. The towers will be at Washington and Bay Streets, a few blocks from the Hudson River and near the Powerhouse Arts District. "It really cements Jersey City as the hottest place to be in the Northeast," said Mayor Jerramiah T. Healy. "It's a big step in the great progress Jersey City has made in the past years." Each condo unit will receive a 20-year property tax abatement, but Mr. Healy said the city would receive more money from development and building fees the developers paid than the city would have received in property taxes.
The Trump Organization will manage the complex, which will include a business center, and amenities for residents like a movie theater, an 8,000-square-foot fitness center, and a heated outdoor rooftop pool. Apartments will feature marble bathrooms and exotic wood floors.
The price of the units, which will range in size from 750 to 2,224 square feet, has not been determined, said Dean Scott Geibel, founder of Metro Homes L.L.C., a developer from Hoboken. He noted that the units will be cheaper than comparable condos in Manhattan. At Grandview, another of Mr. Geibel's residential projects in Jersey City, farther from the waterfront, condominiums sold for about $600 a square foot, with a range of $289,000 to $906,000, and all but one unit has sold since it opened last year, a spokesman for Metro Homes said.
Mr. Geibel called the project "a poster child for smart growth," because of its proximity to PATH stations, light rail, and the ferry to Manhattan.
Barbara Netchert, the executive director of the Jersey City Redevelopment Agency, said earlier plans called for office space development on the property, which is now a parking lot and had been a warehouse and rail yards.
"It was converted to residential, as has most of the projects in the city," she said. "The office market was flat, and the economics were moving more for residential."
Mayor Healy called the project a benchmark for the city. "We've done great for the last 20 years, but this takes it to another level," he said. Mr. Trump, who three times declared himself the biggest developer in New York City, a description his competitors dispute, noted that in moving west of Manhattan, he was going against the usual developer's path, "but I've usually been pretty good at predicting trends." Construction is expected to start in two months and last two years. Mr. Trump estimated that 1,200 to 1,300 workers would be employed in the construction. At 560 feet, the tallest of the towers would still rank below the state's tallest building, the 781-foot Goldman Sachs tower nearby at 30 Hudson Street.
At one point before the project's picture was unveiled, a gust of wind flipped Mr. Trump's swooping hair.
"See, my hair is real, folks," he said. "If it weren't, with this wind, you'd have a much bigger story than these two buildings, there's no doubt in my mind."
Real hair or not, Mr. Trump impressed city leaders.
"As a New York mogul, when he crosses the river, it's a magic step," said the city council president, Mariano Vega.
Originally Posted by JCMAN320
Um, JCMAN, take it easy.
Those buildings are crappy. What is the use of taking an area that has potential and placing crap on it. I know you do not want JC to have the permanent title of "suburb of NYC".
So stop accusing people on here of giving JC crap. They are giving Trump and his lackluster developments crap.
I actually think it is kind of sad.
As those ugly monstrocities that were all constructed in Hoboken prove, when a big developer pressures a city, it can get what it wants.
333 river is decent looking, but nothing really special, and it's 15 stories right at the curb make it a nice addition to the "wall of hoboken". The two buildings further down the road would have made an excellent plaza space if they had just left the first column bay on the first story open, but instead they enclose it for such worthy streetside venues as Hudson Gym, a hairstyling salon, 3 banks and a chain coffee shop.
Uptown you have a contest to see how quickly new buildings can be built as close to, if not ON TOP of the water, in order to block any "ugly views of that horrible NYC skyline" from anyone living further in.
I think these buildings look to be a cash cow. They are on RELATIVELY cheap land for the price that the finished product units can fetch. Spending extra money on the exterior, or space-wasting original geometry has never been in Trumps block-minded archetectural perview, and never will be.
If JC is "lucky" he may put some gold decorations up on it or something...
And, let's not forget the pink marble.Originally Posted by Ninjahedge
Good question!Originally Posted by NYatKNIGHT
Thanks!At 560 feet, the tallest of the towers would still rank below the state's tallest building, the 781-foot Goldman Sachs tower nearby at 30 Hudson Street.
Is name recognition worth it when the buildings are aesthetically sub-par?
It's good that Trump is building in Jersey City, but the design of these towers is horribly bland. They look more like a late 1980s apartment complex on Third Avenue than a Trump development.
The irony is, it would be so easy to change this. Even changes in the materials used in the facade would help things a great deal (such as maybe making it grey instead of white, or have one face and a corner black to give the structure a bit of movement).
This just looks like two large ionic breeze air filters.
Designed by world renowned architect Costas Kondylis
They designed 200 Chambers Street
38-story building featuring 392 rental residences
24-hour doorman with full-time professional concierge
Double height lobby, and a 6,000 square-foot, two-story recreation center
on-site access to the Grove Street PATH Station
36,000 square feet of ground floor retail space
30,000 square feet of office space
a multi-level 1,120-car parking garag
Pics are from JCVibe their about two or three months old I just past the site last week and the foundation look like it's almost complete.
Columbus Plaza construction site, mid-block
Columbus Plaza construction site, facing southeast
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I heard a rumor that the American Can Company building located in the Journal Square area (at St. Paul's Ave., Dey St., Tonnelle Ave.) has been bought and is going to be converted to condominiums. Does anyone know anything about this??