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    So the twin-towered complex will go up north of the new park pictured below? It's going to be a very short walk to Hoboken Terminal then.

    I also assume eventually the big tall fence between the waterfront walkway and the interior land will be removed?

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    Cool Newport coming to the finish line.

    Yes Sid it will be removed.

    NYTimes article on new park opening and last phase of Newport finishing up soon.

    Jersey City Development, Begun in ’86, Enters Final Phase


    Hiroko Masuike/The New York Times
    A park in Newport that will soon open.

    By CHARLES V. BAGLI
    Published: April 30, 2012


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    Richard S. LeFrak, pointing, with his sons, Harrison, with tie, and James, at the Newport development in Jersey City.


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    A model of the Newport neighborhood in Jersey City. The area with white buildings represents a still-unfinished section.

    In 1981, the developer Richard S. LeFrak got a call from his father, who was exploring a broad swath of land in Jersey City. “You’d better come over and look at this,” Samuel J. LeFrak told his son.

    It was a rusting railroad yard and some sagging warehouses on the decaying west bank of the Hudson River. The LeFraks started building there in 1986.

    Now, Richard LeFrak and his sons — his father died in 2003 at 85 — are embarking on the last phase of what has become known as Newport, a 600-acre neighborhood that already has 8 office buildings, 13 apartment towers, 2 hotels, a marina, schools, a retail mall and parks.

    To put Newport in perspective, it has six times as much land as Battery Park City in Lower Manhattan does, and dwarfs the 26-acre development planned for the rail yards on the West Side of Manhattan. Over the past quarter-century, the LeFraks and their partners have invested billions of dollars in Newport. It is not easy to imagine a single real estate family ever building anything so ambitious again in the United States.

    “Newport is truly extraordinary,” said Vishaan Chakrabarti, director of the Center for Urban Real Estate at Columbia University. “It’s getting harder and harder to do something this big. But this is the right kind of dense, transit-oriented development.”

    On Thursday, the LeFraks and Gov. Chris Christie are to formally open a gently sloping 4.5-acre park at the north end of Newport, near Hoboken Terminal. The first of what will be seven more apartment towers surrounding the park is rising quickly. And there are plans for one or two more office buildings on a pier about a mile away, at the south end of Newport.

    “I originally thought it would take 20 years, not 35 or 40,” Mr. LeFrak, 66, said. “It’s changed so dramatically since we started. At this point, the project is successful. What you’re really doing now is ensuring that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.”

    With Jersey City only one mile from Lower Manhattan, the Newport development, as well as other office towers on the waterfront, have often been viewed by New York officials as a threat to New York’s hold on the financial services industry. Lured by lower real estate costs and tax breaks, JPMorgan Chase, UBS, Cigna and other companies moved parts of their operations to Jersey City.

    But it has also become apparent that New York retains its allure, at least for high-powered executives. In 2004, traders at Goldman Sachs revolted against plans to move them to the company’s new $1.3 billion tower in Jersey City. Still, New Jersey continues to offer generous tax incentives to companies willing to cross the Hudson.

    For many years, Newport was a series of isolated residential and commercial towers looming over a lot of vacant land. The buildings were unremarkable, and the apartments filled with tenants looking for a cheaper alternative to Manhattan, or a way station before heading to the suburbs.

    Today, residents and visitors dodge baby carriages along Newport’s pathways, and at the large playground that is part of the newly built park, which includes a playing field and a sandy beach. In recent years, the LeFraks say they have focused on better architecture and filling in gaps between buildings with schools and shops.

    “It was a real estate investment, and now it’s a neighborhood,” said Mr. LeFrak’s son, Harrison, who has worked at the family business since 1997.

    The LeFraks have had some missteps. After a jury trial last year, they were ordered to pay millions of dollars in compensation to 16 residents of the Shore Club tower. The tenants, who argued that they had been promised “breathtaking” views of the Hudson, sued after the LeFraks erected a 32-story apartment tower in front of their building.

    Like many developers, the LeFraks have often criticized elected officials who, in their view, can impede progress with zoning or environmental regulations. Even so, Newport has enjoyed government support in the form of a $40 million federal grant in 1983 for sewers and streets, a 15-year tax abatement for the shopping mall, and tens of millions of dollars in tax breaks from the state to help lure financial companies from Lower Manhattan to Newport’s office buildings.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/01/ny...gins.html?_r=3

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    What is the land immediately adjacent to the walkway going to be then? Will it be a strip of parkland? Will there be a new road right there? Will it be the grounds for new condo towers? A mix?

    Are there any detailed site plans for that entire plot of land running from east of Washington Blvd. and north of 18th street?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sid View Post
    What is the land immediately adjacent to the walkway going to be then? Will it be a strip of parkland? Will there be a new road right there? Will it be the grounds for new condo towers? A mix?

    Are there any detailed site plans for that entire plot of land running from east of Washington Blvd. and north of 18th street?
    I don't know if there's something more detailed, but according to this tiny-tiny picture, they will put up all the white buildings.

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    There are not detailed plans yet because three or four of those buildings have not even been designed (or if they have, they have not been brought before the planning board). And even the buildings designed but not under construction could always change.

    Keep in mind too that there is actually a significant plot of land that NJ Transit owns between the canal and the edge of the Newport property line.

    While the city of Hoboken has voiced concerns with the redevelopment of the NJTransit terminal, it will eventually go through as the city doesn't have control of the state property, as real estate rebounds, and as NJTransit needs money.

    This is one rendering that was done up of as a master plan of the terminal project.

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    I don't like this idea , its to big in an area that's mostly small buildings....Hoboken recently came out with a new plan that got alot of praise from the residents... Hoboken has alot of muscle , they have altered NJT plans several times in the past.... When you cover yards , its better to do it over a depressed yard like Sunnyside or 30th Street Philly , then an above ground yard like Hoboken or South Station in Boston because it often juts out and looks out of place. The Employees and Terminal Management has expressed Concern over building over a diesel yard and in this post 9/11 world that could easily derail the plan.

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    The above masterplan has 20+ buildings in it. Those along observer highway aren't even really over the yards.

    The most likely to happen anytime soon though is an office tower just north of the station along with a new bus terminal. The redesign would eliminate the (abandoned?) brick building on Hudson Street and Hudson place. The design would incorporate more efficient bus loading / unloading / turnaround as well as a park closer to the entrance of the PATH. I think this is a likely project in the near future.

    As to the rest, really, along observer, bigger is fine. Its already 8 to 10 story buildings along there.

    Besides, Newport's towers will cast shadows on Hoboken in a few years anyway, and without the tax revenue.

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    I work for NJ rail,worked in Hoboken's Erie Lackawanna terminal, and I don't see HOW they can cover a semi above grade yard without creating steep hills leading up to the developent.

    In essence, they'd have to build a false geological "mesa" that will look like a strange plateau steeply rising at the end of Washington ave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newarkguy View Post
    I work for NJ rail,worked in Hoboken's Erie Lackawanna terminal, and I don't see HOW they can cover a semi above grade yard without creating steep hills leading up to the developent.

    In essence, they'd have to build a false geological "mesa" that will look like a strange plateau steeply rising at the end of Washington ave.
    Thats what one of the plans calls for and it wouldn't fit in with the rest of Hoboken...

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    It would make Hoboken look like the outskirts of JC.....


    Or the neighborhood outside a giant mall complex....

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    The distinction between Jersey City and Hoboken is rapidly shrinking. The Cliffs, 700 Grove and Zephyr Lofts all might as well be in Hoboken even though they are on Jersey City's side of the border. The northern tip of Newport will be closer to the Hoboken terminal than to the Pavonia-Newport PATH station. The Van Leer property and the construction of the Cast Iron Lofts are filling in on the northern portion of the downtown.

    Speaking of the northern portion of downtown -- that neighborhood probably needs a name. I've just been referring to it as the North End, but given that the area has been vacant for years, I'm not really aware of any historic neighborhood designation. Any thoughts?

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    Maybe you guys can get me up to speed. Are there any plans to make it easier to walk from Hoboken terminal over to JC?

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    There already is the waterfront walkway that goes from JC right through Hoboken Terminal. Thats the only way right now but its great!

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    Is it on the new side? It's been a while since I explored Hoboken.

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    Yes it you can see the walkway in the Newport Park photo. It goes over the Long Slip then past the HBLR station then through the terminal out into Hoboken.

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