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Thread: Red Sox v. Yankees

  1. #46


    HAHAHA THE CURSE WILL LAST FOREVER. I'm glad the Red Sox lost, especially after that game their whole team took it upon themselves to assault the Yankees. They even got their grounds crew to pitch in. That's pathetic and it isn't real baseball. What was their plan? To injure the Yankees so they cannot play? Like I said... pathetic. GO YANKEES!

  2. #47


    October 31, 2003


    Red Sox Offer Bait, but Yanks Don't Bite


    You compete with your neighbor, relentlessly. You want a greener lawn, a bigger pool, even a snazzier mailbox. It is how George Steinbrenner treats his contentious relationship with the Boston Red Sox.

    So when the Red Sox put Manny Ramirez on irrevocable waivers Wednesday, they were essentially dangling the Bentley that is in their garage and tempting Steinbrenner, letting him know he could have the fancier car, too, for nothing. Well, technically, that is. The Red Sox did not want any players in return. All the Yankees had to do was pick up the payments of $104 million over the next five years.

    There has not been a transaction of this magnitude between these fierce rivals since the Red Sox sold Babe Ruth to the Yankees in 1920. Anyone with a pulse from New York to New Zealand knows how that exchange worked out for both. The Yankees have piled up 26 titles since Babe bolted to the Bronx, while the Red Sox are idling on zero.

    The Red Sox are obviously willing to experience life without a pure hitter who can be a pure headache and they must feel that relocating Ramirez might help them finally reverse the curse. But we will probably never know how Ramirez would have looked in baggy pinstripes. A person who spoke to Steinbrenner yesterday said he had told team officials not to put a claim in on Ramirez.

    Two baseball executives said the Yankees made a savvy decision by not claiming Ramirez. One executive said the Red Sox undoubtedly put Ramirez on waivers to try to entice the Yankees to take his albatross of a contract, knowing the Yankees are one of the only teams that could afford him and also realizing that in Steinbrenner they have an owner who is impulsive enough to do it. Again, here is a dazzling addition to your already expensive fleet, George. Just grab the payment book as well.

    Boston's attempt to goad Steinbrenner into taking one of the most devastating hitters in the major leagues and a player who grew up near Yankee Stadium was fascinating. The Yankees spent a few hours discussing the issue on Wednesday, but had decided by yesterday morning that the positives of adding Ramirez (lots of offense) did not outweigh the negatives (lots of unpredictability from a moody 31-year-old and lots of unexpected money funneling back to a chief competitor).

    Theo Epstein, the 29-year-old general manager of the Red Sox, could work for them for three decades and he would never call the Yankees and offer a high-profile player like Ramirez in a trade, because teams that are essentially enemies do not directly deal with each other with so much at stake.

    But if Steinbrenner claimed Ramirez, took his bloated contract and suddenly gave the Red Sox increased financial flexibility, Boston officials would have viewed that transaction differently, as a clever maneuver they controlled from the outset, and they would have been exchanging high-fives on Yawkey Way for days.

    As much as Ramirez contributed to a record-setting 2003 lineup with a .325 average, 37 homers and 104 runs batted in, the Red Sox feel their offense will be formidable without him and are weary of Ramirez's often selfish behavior. Ramirez was benched for a game this season when he acted petulantly and, like Pedro Martínez and Nomar Garciaparra, he operates on his own island. And remember, Ramirez was signed by the previous ownership group in Boston.

    Without Ramirez's contract, the infusion of $21 million a year would allow the Red Sox to aggressively address their pitching concerns. Whether they pursue the free-agent starters Bartolo Colón or Kevin Millwood or try to acquire a closer like Houston's Billy Wagner, lopping off one-fifth of their payroll through waivers was something the Red Sox are ready and willing to do. But the Red Sox need an enabler to finish the deal, and with Steinbrenner just saying no, the strategy appears to have stalled. Look for Boston to continue trying to unload Ramirez in a trade.

    The off-season is less than one week old, but already the Red Sox and the Yankees, who gave us a dramatic American League Championship Series, are feverishly competing again. They spent the last off-season squabbling over pitcher José Contreras, who ultimately signed with the Yankees, and skirmishing over Colón, who wound up going to the Chicago White Sox, and they then spent all of the 2003 season fighting each other.

    Now the Red Sox have taken the first step toward challenging the Yankees in 2004, although it was an unusual step because it involved some unexpected, and deceptive, generosity. The Red Sox wanted the Yankees to take Ramirez no questions asked. But the sticker shock and the potential ramifications in acquiring this particular player were too much for Steinbrenner. Manny might be a Bentley, but he is definitely not the Babe.

    Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company

  3. #48


    I never thought that the Yankees would go after Ramirez, even if it wasn't the Red Sox who were trying to unload his contract. The problems he would create go beyond his stats. Mondesi wasn't traded because he was in a slump, but because of his clubhouse behavior.

    Years ago, the Yankees avoided Albert Bell, who had superior stats to Bernie Williams (who was also a free agent), and signed Williams to a long-term contract. That proved to be the right choice.

    It isn't how much is spent, but how wisely - the Mets were #2 in payroll.

    I think they'll go after Gary Sheffield, but look for Atlanta to put up a big fight. They may experiment with switching Williams and Matsui in the outfield.

    There is always pressure on the Yankees to get to the World Series, but the pressure to preserve the curse is greater.

  4. #49

    Default Hey- Big Stein...

    Boston is looking to aquire Joe Torre.

  5. #50


    You're kidding me?! Next year is the last year of his contract...

  6. #51


    December 19, 2003

    2 Yankees and Worker Are Charged in Fight


    BOSTON, Dec. 18 — Jeff Nelson, Karim Garcia and a Fenway Park groundskeeper were charged Thursday with assault and battery for their roles in a bullpen fight during Game 3 of the American League Championship Series between the Yankees and the Red Sox.

    Clerk Magistrate Michael Neighbors of Roxbury District Court issued the charges less than a week after a hearing to determine whether there was probable cause. The police sought the charges against the two Yankees players in the days after the Oct. 11 fight. Nelson's lawyer filed a cross-complaint against the groundskeeper, Paul Williams, earlier this month. None of them were present Thursday. They will be arraigned Jan. 7.

    Neighbors said the police and the Suffolk County district attorney's office presented a weak case by not having the responding officers or witnesses to the fight testify at the hearing and by failing to adequately complete the investigation. But Neighbors said the police report, which said Nelson, a pitcher, instigated the fight, and Garcia, the right fielder, jumped over the outfield fence and started hitting Williams "clearly establishes that probable cause was met."

    Neighbors issued the complaint against Williams, saying there was no evidence directly refuting Nelson's claim and Williams's lack of defensive wounds could "suggest the possibility of aggression."

    Nelson, a free agent, testified last week that he asked Williams, who was cheering for the Red Sox in the Yankees' bullpen, to move. Nelson said Williams charged at him, bumped his chest and nose and spit on his face.

    Williams said he was engaging the crowd when Nelson came up behind him, touched the bill of his cap against his forehead and grabbed him by the shirt. Williams said Nelson then grabbed him by the back of the head, at which point he fell to the ground.

    Garcia, who is eligible for arbitration with the Yankees, did not attend the hearing on the advice of his lawyer, Gerard Malone, who said Neighbors's assessment of the investigation is significant.

    "It's telling to some degree that the clerk magistrate indicated that the testimony was minimal and weak in many instances and we'll proceed from there," Malone said.

    James Merberg, Nelson's lawyer, said Nelson would now have the opportunity for a "full and fair hearing on these allegations."

    Patrick Jones, Williams's lawyer, said he was not surprised that all the charges were issued, because of the low standard of proof required, but added that he and his client were disappointed.

    Jones said he planned to file civil suits against the players in the coming months, and had not decided if he would take legal action against the Yankees or any other organization. Jones said the fight left Williams, 24, a special education teacher from Derry, N.H., with a severely deviated septum and severe cervical injuries. Jones said Williams's sense of smell was severely damaged.

    A Yankees spokesman had no comment. A message left for Williams was not returned.

    The maximum penalty for assault and battery, a misdemeanor in Massachusetts, is two and a half years in jail, a $500 fine, or both. There is no minimum mandatory sentence, giving judges flexibility in ruling.

    Jeff Baskies, the president of Lawyers Weekly USA, said the case would now proceed to trial. He said the charges against Williams could potentially harm his civil cases, because potential jurors could be aware that Williams was indicted for possibly causing the fight.

    Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company

  7. #52


    Red Sox Nation look to your wallets

    By JIM LITKE, AP Sports Columnist
    December 19, 2003

    When baseball's players' union stepped in and put the kibosh on the deal that would have sent Alex Rodriguez from Texas to Boston, this is what A-Rod said: ``I recognize the principle involved, and fully support the need to protect the interests of my fellow players.''

    This is what he should have said: ``Owners of the Rangers and Red Sox, you've been 'Punk'd.'''

    As fans of the MTV show that ended its two-season run just last Sunday know, getting ``Punk'd'' means winding up as the butt of an always-elaborate, usually very expensive practical joke. Which, from the look of things, is exactly what happened to Texas owner Tom Hicks and his counterpart in Boston, John Henry.

    Three years after handing Rodriguez $252 million and winding up with the kind of buyer's remorse that often afflicts ``Hair Club for Men'' customers, Hicks thought he'd finally found a sucker to help him get out from under a disastrous deal. Ditto for Henry, who inherited malcontent Manny Ramirez and his $160 million deal and couldn't wait to foist him off on somebody, too.

    And they thought they'd found each other Wednesday, when Rodriguez agreed to restructure his contract to make the swap work.

    But that was before Gene Orza, the union's No. 2 man, rejected the proposed trade, saying it violated terms of the collective bargaining agreement by reducing the value of A-Rod's contract.

    Loyal union man that he is, Rodriguez reversed course and agreed that principle was too important to sacrifice, not just for him, but for all of the working stiffs in baseball. So he and agent Scott Boras went back to the bargaining table and told Hicks and Henry to find a way to ensure that every penny of the $179 million he is still owed finds its way back into his pocket.

    Saps that they are, that's exactly what the gazillionaire owners set out to do. But just as they were closing in on a new deal, commissioner Bud Selig stepped in Thursday and ordered a halt to any further trade talks, saying they missed the 5 p.m. EST deadline.

    ``I have terminated my permission for Boston and Alex Rodriguez to continue pursuing this transaction at this time,'' Selig said.

    Though Red Sox president Larry Lucchino called the deal ``dead,'' his Rangers counterpart, John Hart, took a different tack. He said the glass was still half full, and there was still an ``opportunity.''

    If and when the swap does occur, it will come as no surprise to Selig. Note the last three words of his declaration -- ``at this time.''

    So what was all the fuss about?

    The same thing it's always about in baseball: money.

    Only the most cynical people would suggest A-Rod made an army of accountants and lawyers jump through hoops to restructure a deal that big and then signed off on the final product knowing the union would kick it back. But if you look up ``cynic'' in a dictionary, don't be surprised to find a picture of Boras, the most rapacious agent in the business, smiling back.

    By the same token, even an opportunist needs an opportunity, and no two owners in baseball were begging to be ``Punk'd'' more than Hicks and Henry.

    The former was tired of being baseball's doormat, perennially mocked for making the single dumbest signing in the history of pro sports. That didn't occur to him until he stood, with a grin as wide as Texas, alongside Boras and behind Rodriguez at a news conference to show off his purchase to the locals. Then someone asked A-Rod how he managed to wrangle a contract more than twice as big as the previous benchmark.

    ``I hired an attorney,'' Rodriguez said. And in the next moment, Hicks' smile narrowed and Boras was left beaming for both of them.

    Chances are that he'll still get to lavish that same grin with Henry standing by his side. Henry and the rest of Boston's new ownership believe so strongly that the Yankees really are the ``Evil Empire'' that they're willing to do almost anything to knock the pinstripes off New York.

    Never mind that this fascination with A-Rod threatens to break what had been a string of clever, cost-effective acquisitions -- shoring up their pitching with starter Curt Schilling and closer Keith Foulke. Never mind that ownership is willing to deal Nomar Garciaparra, whose done nothing but provide years of loyal and productive service at shortstop.

    Somebody is going to pay for all this foolishness, and here's the first clue:

    When A-Rod showed up in Texas, Lucchino was president of the San Diego Padres and this is what he said: ``Make no mistake, these obscene salaries are paid for by taxing the fans.''

    This is what he should say now: ``Red Sox Nation, get ready to reach foryour wallets.''

    Jim Litke is a national sports columnist for The Associated Press. Write tohim at:

    Copyright © 2003 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

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    October 11, 2004

    Beer for the Babe, and a Frenzy for a Red Sox-Yankees Rematch


    The signs are everywhere. The New York Yankees and the Boston Red Sox are squaring off for the American League championship for the second year in a row, and a frenzy is following them.

    The ticket scalpers outside Yankee Stadium have already raised their prices to as high as $300 per ticket. Bouncers at sports bars are getting ready for unruly crowds.

    In Westchester County, the man who tends Babe Ruth's grave is bracing for an onslaught of fans bearing gifts of beer and prayers of victory. And throughout New York, wary Red Sox fans are searching for safe havens to watch the game and cheer.

    Fans in both cities are dusting off the old totems and clichés of the Red Sox-Yankee rivalry: the Curse of the Bambino; 1918, the last year Boston won the World Series; pinstripes versus flaming red; Beantown versus the Big Apple.

    "I dream always of a Boston-Yankees series," said Jose Maldonado, a baseball coach whose youth league team, the Royals, played yesterday afternoon in the shadow of Yankee Stadium. "It brings the fans of baseball back. All the fans in the country want to see that matchup."

    But Yankees fans around the city said that this year's series, which begins tomorrow at Yankee Stadium, is not merely baseball repeating itself, but a torqued-up rematch that has been a year in the making. The New York Post dubbed this year's contest "Ultimate Baseball Armageddon," and few fans would disagree.

    The Yankees beat the Red Sox in a seven-game series to win last year's American League title, and fans say the rivalry has only intensified.

    The Red Sox traded for Curt Schilling, the All-Star pitcher. Then the Yankees signed the slugger Alex Rodriguez, which some figured gave the team another edge over Boston. During spring training this year, some fans spent $500 just to see the two teams play an exhibition game.

    The owners of the two teams sniped during the season, and in July, the teams brawled on the field.

    "So much had built up last year after the series," said Frederic Frommer, who, with his father, wrote a history of the teams' animus. "As much animosity as there was last year, it's been fueled even more."

    During last year's championship series, fans from Boston and New York visited the Gate of Heaven Cemetery in Hawthorne, where Babe Ruth is buried, Mr. Frommer said. They left sacrifices of hot dogs and beer and team souvenirs. Some asked him to help end Boston's long losing streak, and others urged Mr. Ruth to hold it intact.

    "One man was there in a 1920's Boston uniform, cap and all, doing his own incantations," said the cemetery's manager, Andrew Nagle.

    Mr. Nagle said he was hoping for a lighter flock of pilgrims this year. "We can't let things get out of hand," he said. "We have to keep the decorum as best we can."

    At the Ballpark Sports Bar and Grill, across the street from Yankee Stadium, the plans were exactly the opposite. Though metal gates covered the windows yesterday, the staff inside was eagerly preparing for another crush of fans of both teams.

    "They stand around and look at each other and say, 'You want some of me?' " said the bar's bouncer, Bruce Wilson. "I tell them, you got to take that outside."

    Last year, fans piled into the restaurant to watch the games on big-screen televisions at the bar and eat hamburgers and cheesesteaks cheaper than the ones sold inside the stadium. The capacity of the restaurant is about 200, but Mr. Wilson said the place fills up until the only open space is on the ceiling.

    The restaurant was full of customers hours before the games last year. Boston fans jostled with New York fans, and any time a piece of Red Sox paraphernalia - a pennant, a hat - was dropped, Yankees fans stomped it as if they were crushing a bug.

    "It's going to be more tense this year," said Joey Gutierrez, who manages the snack bar.

    But Mr. Wilson said he had learned something about crowd control. When a group of rowdy Boston fans walked in, he isolated them in a corner and penned them in behind five barstools. Mr. Wilson said he had kept the group under control, and they were grateful because he acted as if he had set aside a special place for them.

    Outside the restaurant, scalpers roamed the sidewalks cooing, "Tickets, tickets," to anyone walking by. A ticket can sell for as little as $50 on a slow summer day, but yesterday afternoon scalpers like Jay Thomas were selling tickets for Tuesday's playoff opener for $250 to $300.

    By tomorrow, Mr. Thomas said, he will be asking $400.

    "It's in demand," he said. "Everyone wants to buy them. You gotta get them now while they're going for a cheap price."

    Like Autumn's Leaves, the Red Sox Will Fall

    Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

  9. #54


    Late 1970s, when it was much easier to get good tickets.
    Red Sox were in for 4 weekday night games. We got a dozen field box seats behind the plate, about 10 rows back, for all 4 games.

    Friends were visiting from Kansas City, and we took them to one of the games. From the seats, if you looked up to the left or right, the edge of the upper deck was backlighted by the glow of the stadium lights.

    During the game, my friend kept looking up, then asked me, "What's that bright gold flash upstairs?"

    I said, "Beer fight. I hope they don't fall."

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    Ah, those were the days - when they sold beer the whole game. Not too many people pay $300-$400 to get kicked out for fighting anymore.

    Get ready for another nail-biting week staying up late drinking beer and waking up with a scratchy voice. It's become a ritual as customary as decorating the Christmas tree.

  11. #56

    Default Oh, I'm celebrating too much... sorry, how's this, better?

    My dear girlfriend of two weeks short of a year is a diehard Yankee fan. This will be an intense series to say the least. :shock:

  12. #57

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    ----NY@N: It was actually Friday Oct. 24th 8)

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    So just a week following the Red Sox crushing defeat last year, you went and hooked up with a Yankee fan.

  14. #59


    Jasonik: By any chance, were you and your girlfriend at the Sat Sept 18 game at the Stadium?

    It was the game after the Rivera blown save. big game for both teams. I think Tim McCarver and Fox were doing the broadcast. Early in the game, the camera zeroed in on a guy in a Red Sox cap sitting next to a woman in a Yankees cap. They were chatting, and the broadcasters assumed there was a relationship between them.

    As the score got progressively more lopsided, 5-0, 9-0, the camera kept going back and comments were made about their relative demeanor. By the time the score was 13-0, he was staring toward the outfield with his hand under his chin, while she was munching on a hot dog, talking to everyone else around them, and generally having a great time.

    At this point, McCarver wondered if they were actually together, and he rationalized that at least the guy got to sit next to a pretty woman - even if she was a Yankee fan.

    They did leave together.

  15. #60


    Not us. We haven't even watched a Sox-Yanks matchup together yet, tonight will be the first.

    She just told me she'll work the first aid station at Fenway for Friday's game, (she's a Medical Resident at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center). I'm insanely jealous, but am reminded that she has to wear a bright red shirt with the Red Sox logo on it. :lol:

    What I'm worried about is going to visit her parents with her this weekend. Her Mom is an uber-fan, and she has no sense of humor that I can detect about the rivalry. I'm probably going to be told I can't wear my Red Sox hat in the house.

    Just for the sake of my relationship I'd be willing to concede Saturday's game, god forbid I have an uncontrollable urge to celebrate. It'd never be able to live that down.

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