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    Those were a lot different than what I am suggesting. TLC tried to copy a very successful group ride which currently exist from 79th and York Avenue to Financial District. The ones that failed didn't work because passengers did not save enough and the drivers did not make enough. To walk to a designated spot to save pennies wasn't attractive enough for the riding public and to drive to the same designated spot to make a few more pennies wasn't attractive for the drivers. INCENTIVE is the name of the game. 79th and York Stand works because incentives for the passengers and the drivers are strong..
    What I am suggesting is offering the public considerable savings (50%) for minor inconvenience. And drivers would make about 30% more so it is a win win situation. It has a much better chance to catch on.

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    Harlem Snubbed by Mayor's Plan to Legalize Hailing Livery Cabs

    The mayor is expected to announce a plan to allow livery cabs to pick up passengers on outer borough streets.

    By Ben Fractenberg

    HARLEM ó Residents in uptown neighborhoods who rely on car service just as much as people in Brooklyn or the Bronx were surprised to learn Tuesday that they would be left out of a proposal by the mayor to finally make it legal to hail a livery cab on the street.

    Mayor Michael Bloomberg was expected to unveil a plan during his State of the City address Wednesday that would allow New Yorkers to hail livery cabs in all the boroughs, but Manhattan, according to an excerpt of his speech released Tuesday.

    The new rules are meant to address the difficulty of hailing cabs in the outer boroughs. But Harlem residents pointed out you can't catch a cab there, either.

    "[Yellow cabs] never pick you up unless you're going to the airport,Ē said Harlem resident Ronnie Lomax, 54.

    Lomax said being able to pick up livery cabs on the street is a necessity in Harlem and Washington Heights because other means of public transportation are not always so reliable.

    "You always need a cab because the buses don't run on time," he said.

    While hailing a livery cab is generally not difficult in the city, it's currently illegal. The mayor was expected to change that beginning with his speech Wednesday.

    "Why shouldnít someone in Queens, Brooklyn, the Bronx, or Staten Island be able to hail a legal cab on the street?" Bloomberg will say in his speech, according to excerpts released by City Hall. "This year, weíll establish a new category of livery cars that can make on-street pickups outside of Manhattan ó just like yellow cabs do."

    Under the proposal, livery cab drivers that want to be able to pick up passengers on the street will have to agree to GPS tracking, as yellow cabs do and allow passengers to use credit cards to pay for their fare.

    According to a memo from the Taxi and Limousine Commission, 97.5 percent of yellow cab trips originate in the core of Manhattan or area airports while 80 percent of New Yorkers live in the outer boroughs.

    Despite the exclusion of Washington Heights, Inwood and Harlem from the mayor's proposal, both residents and driver said the hailing of cars would likely continue on the streets.

    "If you don't allow people in Manhattan to get a cab in the street you are gonna hurt a lot of people," said driver Mohamed Doumbia, 52, who has been driving in Harlem for 18 years. "How can you call every time you need a car?"

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    It's time for shabby cabbies to tidy up.

    Taxi and Limousine Commissioners today gave the thumbs up to a new rule requiring drivers to maintain a "a professional appearance."

    Previous rules prohibit underwear worn as outerwear. Tank tops and swimwear were also no-nos.

    Except for requiring professional garb, the new rule doesn't single out any garments in particular.

    So haute couture won't be a cabby sine qua non. "There will be no fashion police," said TLC Commissioner David Yassky.

    Instead, he said, the new rule simply insists that cabbies be neat and clean.

    Yassky says the old restrictions were outdated, and the city wanted a simpler rule.

    "It updates a dress code rule written 20 years ago that was written for a different time," he said.

    He said religious and ethnic garb is welcome.

    "Turbans are absolutely professional dress. Any religious or ethnic garb is absolutely professional," said Yassky.

    Dress code violations haven't been a problem for cabbies -- fewer than 50 summonses for violating dress rules have been written since 1996, officials say.

    The TLC approved the rule on a voice vote.

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    All I gotta say is this; City not too long ago auctioned off The Exclusive NYC Hailing Privilege to individuals for more than half a million dollars.. How would you feel if YOU were one of those individuals?....
    Last edited by milleniumcab; January 21st, 2011 at 11:26 PM.

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    Entitled to a rebate.

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    Hiiiiiimmmm.. there is a thought..

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    So long "going with the flow of traffic." Goodbye, "speeding up at a yellow traffic signal." Hello red-light camera summonses. You may recall a previous article in Taxi Insider stating that 40th street and 5th avenue is the worst intersection in the city for getting these summonses due to an out of sequence traffic-light pattern there. But the real deal is that these summonses make more money for the city under the guise of safety. Why do I state this? Taxi Insider has found that stopping safely at a traffic light that has turned yellow, to avoid running a red-light, will get you a red-light summons anyway, if the nose of your taxi happens to be in the crosswalk. You will then be receiving a "red light" summons in the mail even though you stopped safely and are at a stand-still during the entire light changing process from yellow to red and red to green again. Does this sound like Justice to you or a money scam?

    For the three taxi drivers that explained this exact scenario happening to them, it gets worse. They all went to court to "beat" the red-light summons because the photo clearly shows the taxi NOT going through a red light. Right? Wrong! The judges independently told these guys that if they didn't find them guilty of running a red-light, they could be found guilty of stopping or standing in a crosswalk based on the photo! What a crock of sheep. But the city apparently has given the judges orders to find everyone guilty regardless if the violation is in total disagreement with the photo. Is this justice or a scam for your money?

    The Department of Transportation's 150 secret cameras sent over 1 million, yes million summonses by mail to owners of unsuspecting motorists that the city claims "ran red lights." As experienced seasoned drivers, we know that at least some of them are undeserving.
    The NYPost reports that 2,741 drivers received these "red-light" summonses per day! What does that mean in dollars and sense? It means over $55 million for the city in 2010.

    Additionally, the number of vehicles towed in New York city rose from 114,819 in 2009 to 125,793 in 2010. In September, city marshals were authorized to tow any vehicle with $350 owed for red-light or parking tickets.

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    The cams are there to catch infractions, no matter what they are. As aggravating as it is to drivers, the law says Stop Before Entering the Crosswalk. If the cam shows a violation then the Judge isn't wrong to cite the driver for that.

    Do drivers really think they gain an advantage by edging into the pedestrian zone? Or by zooming through a yellow-light-ready-to-go-red just to have to stop behind another less speedy driver at the very next light?

    Of course the cams might catch pedestrian violators as well, and they'd be liable for a ticket if found crossing illegally. But until they make us wear an internally placed chip or a number on our back so they can ID us, we don't have to worry too much about paying up.

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    The drivers went over to defend a ticket received for a red light violation from a camera which they apparently were not guilty of. After dismissing the summons, should the JUDGE then be allowed to ISSUE another violation? I don't think so..This is point of this article..

    Just one more thing loft..I equate the drivers stopping a little too late, inching or footing into the crosswalk a bit, to the pedestrians waiting for the light to change in the middle of the street (literally), rather than waiting where they are supposed to, which is the sidewalk... it is done all the time without much harm to either party, unless you are a disgruntled pedestrian or a bitter driver..
    Last edited by milleniumcab; February 27th, 2011 at 05:46 PM.

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    Livery cab plan makes little sense
    Queens Ledger
    Jan 25, 2011

    Mayor Michael Bloomberg has always cared more about Manhattan than he has about the outer boroughs. The blizzard last month was a painful, embarrassing reminder. The mayor faced so much criticism for this that he decided he had no choice but to throw us a bone in his state of the city address - if anything just to silence his critics.

    So he announced a proposal to install meters in livery cabs, and legalize street hails in the outer boroughs, where it is currently illegal to flag down unmarked taxicabs without calling ahead of time.

    The plan, however, makes very little sense.

    Itís true that yellow cab service in the outer boroughs is limited. According to the Taxi and Limousine Commission, 97.5 percent of legal yellow cab rides start in Manhattan or at the airports. And as everyone knows, few taxi drivers cruise for fares outside of the city.

    As a result, in Queens, Brooklyn and elsewhere, when people arenít driving or taking mass transit - the two most popular methods of transportation - they must rely on livery cabs. Everyone has a favorite company, a reliable service that shows up on time whenever itís called for.

    But more often than not, especially when returning home from an unfamiliar neighborhood, people just hail a livery cab on the street. The practice is illegal, but the law is rarely enforced.

    The system isnít perfect - riders are almost always overcharged - but it has worked for years, so nobody messed with it, until now. Not surprisingly, Bloombergís plan creates more problems than it solves.

    Livery cabs that choose to participate would be marked with a single color, and equipped with meters to eliminate price gouging, GPS systems, and credit card-readers. How many are really going to bother to do this, though?

    There is no plan to step up the enforcement of illegal street hails; regulating this would be prohibitively expensive for the city. So if livery cabs can continue to price gouge passengers on the fly, without repercussions, what incentive do they have to opt for lower, metered fares?

    On top of this, as critics of the proposal have pointed out, the increased competition from specially marked, metered livery cabs give yellow cabs even greater pause for heading for the outer boroughs, or sticking around once they get there.

    Finally, thereís no guarantee the plan would actually pass the City Council, assuming all the kinks could be ironed out beforehand. Finding some way to regulate the livery cab industry - if thatís possible - is necessary.

    But without enforcement, the proper incentives, or the right framework, this plan falls flat. It is rushed and empty-minded, and will have little real impact, if any. Was this really the best idea the mayor and his administration could come up with?

    Read more: Queens Ledger - Livery cab plan makes little sense

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    If the evidence presented to the court points to an infraction then that's the way the ball bounces. Discretion of the Judge and all that. One could appeal it but I doubt it would beat the ruling.

    Not the best equivalent, but: A cop arrives at your house because the neighbor reports screaming and yelling and concern for the inhabitants. Cop gains lawful entry only to find a bunch of folks having a good time and without any physical abuse -- but with the aid and presence of a crack pipe and a pile of drugs. The information initially presented leads to the detection of a separate violation. Is the officer supposed to ignore the unlawful situation because the assault as reported wasn't taking place?

    Over all the difference between drivers and peds is that drivers are easily identifiable by their license plates. Believe me, if they could figure out a way to mail out tickets to peds caught on cam jaywalking, etc, they'd do it in a minute.

    Perhaps this will make drivers more aware of their place in the road. Do they go after drivers who are found on cam to be making illegal turns (from the opposite side of the intersection)? Or picking up fairs far from the curb? Or are the cams only trained on the edge of the cross walk and what goes on there?

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    It’s the Radios!
    by Abe Mittleman Queens Ledger
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    Mayor Michael Bloomberg, and his recently appointed Taxi and Limousine Commission (TLC) head David Yassky, have an old idea with a new spin. They want to legalize the widespread and illegal practice of livery cars picking up street hails in the outer boroughs and parts of Manhattan.

    This plan will require livery cars to be equipped with taxi meters, G.P.S. tracking, and credit card machines. Not only will this put livery cars in direct competition with medallion taxis, which have the exclusive rights to the street hail business, it is simply legalizing an illegal act without solving any problems. Is this fair?

    Bloomberg and Yassky say that the needs of taxi riders in the outer boroughs aren't being met by medallion taxis. This cannot be denied. However, both Bloomberg and Yassky have failed to consider the root of this problem. Is the cause simply that the outer boroughs are undesirable for medallion taxi drivers or is it the illegal activity of the livery cars that is robbing legitimate medallion taxis of the opportunity to pick up these outer borough passengers?

    Livery vehicles were created in the mid 1980's to handle radio calls exclusively, so medallion taxis could meet the rising demand for street hail services in New York City. The new rules enacted by the TLC at that time prohibited medallion taxis from radio calls while prohibiting livery cars from picking up street hails.

    On the surface, everyone was a winner, but under the surface, this arrangement was flawed and we are seeing the results today. While the number of medallion taxis was capped, the number of livery vehicles was not. As a result, the supply of livery cars grew more quickly than the demand for service. This led to livery cars illegally accepting street hails, a right reserved solely for medallion taxis, to make up the difference.

    To make matters worse, the utter lack of enforcement by the TLC to prevent illegal street hails by livery cars sent medallion taxis packing, forcing them out of the outer boroughs and into the streets of Manhattan, where the street hail demand is high.

    In the mayor’s plan, livery vehicles are given an unfair advantage - they are available for radio work and free to pick up street hails. This uneven playing field means that medallion taxis that currently provide service in the outer boroughs will be overwhelmed by the sharp increase in livery cars accepting street hails. This will lessen the incentive for medallion taxis to make outer borough trips and steals their ability to earn a living.

    If the mayor and Yassky want to increase service in the outer boroughs, this is not the way to do it. We should be creating incentives for medallion taxis to go to the outer boroughs, not discouraging them.

    Livery cars should not be allowed to proliferate without a cap on their numbers. Medallion taxis should have the right to do both radio calls in the outer boroughs, as well as the street hails they are entitled to. This will encourage medallion taxis to be in the outer boroughs and available for both. The livery cars will still be busy with most of the radio work they already do now. This should leave no gaps in service. All the customers’ needs will be satisfied. Everyone will benefit.

    Abe Mittleman was editor of the taxi industry publication Mini-Press, as well as a veteran taxi driver.

    Read more: Queens Ledger - It’s the Radios

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    Believe me, if they could figure out a way to mail out tickets to peds caught on cam jaywalking, etc, they'd do it in a minute.
    Now, that would definitely cause a riot..

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    The other major difference is that cabbies, as "Licensees" to the City, are over a barrel when it comes to those who rule over them.

    So far Bloomberg hasn't figured out a way to fully make citizens licensees of the Corporation of the City of New York and the Corporation Counsel.

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