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    It's from the New York Post. They hate anything that's anti-car.

    Over the years, one thing has been constant. When a street closing or traffic-restricting plan had been proposed, there was a dire prediction of traffic chaos. It even happened when the present Central and Prospect Parks restrictions were first proposed.

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    I don't understand why right wingers have such a love affair with the car. They think it brings freedom, when in actuality it leads to stagnation and grid-lock.
    Of course we all know they care little about the negative aspects as its all idealistic dogma.

    The ability to have "individual' mobility trumps all, even quality of life. To them, the car is practically more important than those silly issues. Think about how amazing our transit systems would be (and nice to ride) if more people actually cared about the common good rather than their selfish desires. They refuse to sacrifice anything for the sake of the city. A selfish dogma rather than a dogma of individual liberty.

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    I still don't see how those curvy roads in the park really solve any traffic problems.

    There are a few that cross the park that are not easily accessed by anything, and those seem to be important, but not the loops that run through it.

    Avenues have never really been the slow way around the city. It is almost always the "streets" and the areas below Houston street.....

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    Creating bike only and bus only lanes, closing drives in parks, designating what was once a busy roadway as pedestrian malls, etc, etc.... doing all of the above might be politically correct and music to some ears..but doing so without eliminating at least some of the vehicular traffic isn't any type of a solution to traffic nightmare in NYC..

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    MC, the only "solution" to the nightmare is to reduce the number of cars, or start giving out more tickets to those that do not follow the rules.

    So as much as people complain about having something as minor as the park loop closed, I think they would mind having the double parking ticket cost climb to $300 a shot.

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    NH, I think it's safe to say, WE AGREE.. The amount of cars entering business district must be reduced, fines must be increased to a deterrent level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milleniumcab View Post
    Creating bike only and bus only lanes, closing drives in parks, designating what was once a busy roadway as pedestrian malls, etc, etc.... doing all of the above might be politically correct and music to some ears..but doing so without eliminating at least some of the vehicular traffic isn't any type of a solution to traffic nightmare in NYC..
    MC, how long have you been in NYC?

    This process has been going on long before Bloomberg, without eliminating traffic first. Usually, it's the other way around. I know many people who used to commute into Manhattan by car; they switched to mass transit when it took longer to drive and find parking.

    When Greenwich St was narrowed by three lanes, it was predicted that West Broadway would be clogged with traffic. Never happened. What did happen was that triple-parked limos waiting outside Greenwich St restaurants disappeared.

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    Zip, how did they narrow it by 3? I was looking at the satellite pics and it looks pretty narrow to start with (Greenwich St in Manhattan...).

    Was this down at the financial district? (I was looking around the village area....)

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    Hubert to Chambers.

    Trees on right were at the old curb.


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    Thanks!

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    30 years Zipp and driving in it long enough to realize that 9th avenue is more congested starting at 30th street ever since unused bike lanes were created. Traffic on 7th avenue thru Times Square is worse and Broadway is more dangerous than ever since bike lanes were put in place and pedestrian malls were created. Approach to Penn station on 8th avenue is congested for a longer stretch almost all the time because of the bike lanes. 1st avenue along the Hospital zone in the 20s and 30s is a crawler's dream because of the bike lanes. Again, 1st avenue is no longer the best approach to Queensboro Bridge. Prospect Park West with the bike lanes right in the middle is called a nightmare by the very people who live on it. Columbus Avenue is a parking lot more often than not and UWS people hate that. Broadway is impossible below Houston Street... etc., etc.....

    The process might be going on for a long time but that doesn't change the fact that eliminating cars before taking lanes away from vehicles is a more realistic approach.
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    Than again, I am a bit biased..

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    MC, it takes time for people to adjust.

    The more inconvenient car access is for those areas, the more people will start to use other ways. But that will not happen immediately. It needs to reach an equilibrium.

    That does not change the fact that I think a lot of their planning does not look enough at the whole picture, like where people actually bike and how traffic can be re-routed to flow better, but that is another story....

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    Taxis stalled – Owners, hacks rip ‘green’ delay

    Just bring back the Checker cab, already.
    The city and its largest group of taxi owners and drivers have become locked in a new legal battle, with the owners charging that taxi brass are forcing them to buy gas-guzzling Crown Victorias because officials can’t decide which model to choose as the city’s new fuel-efficient yellow cab.
    As the city bigs waffle over the issue, the owners are forced to buy the only commercially available taxicab currently approved by the Taxi and Limousine Commission — the Crown Vic, which Ford will soon take out of production — or smaller fuel-efficient cars, such as the Toyota Camry hybrid or the Volkswagen Jetta TDI, that don’t stand up to grueling daily driving, the suit says.

    FUEL-ING DEBATE: Mayor Bloomberg announces a federal fuel-efficient-taxi bill at City Hall yesterday.

    The dispute is part of an amendment to a related suit, filed in Manhattan federal court, in which the owners group says the city won’t approve the successor to the Crown Vic, the Ford Transit Connect, because it doesn’t meet its fuel-efficiency standards.
    Ironically, the Transit Connect is one of the finalists in the city’s contest to pick the next generation of taxi.
    Either way, the contest, called the Taxi of Tomorrow, is taking entirely too long, said Michael Woloz, a lobbyist for the owners.
    “We don’t have a taxi of today,” Woloz said.
    But Adam Stolorow, senior counsel with the city Law Department, said, “We are reviewing the plaintiffs’ letter to the judge, and we believe that they’re misunderstanding the TLC’s plans.”
    The owners group has so far defeated the city in two other federal suits — winning one ruling that banned the city from mandating that all taxi cabs be hybrids.
    As an end run around that decision, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-New York) and Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-Manhattan) yesterday said they will introduce a bill in both houses of Congress that would allow “all major cities to raise fuel-efficiency standards for taxis.”

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/t...#ixzz1I8K9WIWd
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    TLC want to approve Turkish Karsan, I think, but they are worried that it might turn out a lemon.. Karsan is purpose built to be a taxi, the roomiest for the passengers and only one that complies with the ADA (mileage expected to be about 22 mpg)..

    Fleets (owners) want the Ford Transit Connect simply because it is road tested and proven to be sturdy..By the way,Transit Connect gets 26mpg.. That's a huge improvement from Crown Vic with 12 mpg.. But that along is not enough for the Mayor. He is going for all the works.

    If there is ever a choice for the Taxi of Tomorrow among the finalists, Nissan Van doesn't stand a chance. It will be either Karsan or Transit Connect..


    http://www.nyc.gov/html/media/html/n...tomorrow.shtml
    Last edited by milleniumcab; April 1st, 2011 at 12:21 AM.

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