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Thread: Proposed - Port Authority Tower (20 Times Square) - West 42nd Street at Eighth Avenue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek2k3 View Post
    Good.
    Chinese investor eh? Where are all the wealthy American investors? Seems like it's always the Chinese or Middle Easterners.
    The American investors are pouring money into China and the Mideast. Higher returns. Wealthy Chinese and Arabs, already well exposed to their home countries, are diversifying globally and generally parking money in safer places than their home countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordonGecko View Post
    So how exactly is this construction going to work - will they expose the existing PA support columns at the roof and tie in to those? Can those handle the weight of a skyscraper or do new columns have to be bored all the way down to the foundation
    The stubs of the PABT columns are visible on the rooftop. Seems the existing structure was built with this in mind.

    btw: Just west of Eighth above 42nd Street they've started to remove some of the ugly grid that was applied over the "X" structure about 10 years ago. The illuminated signage at the corner has been dead for months now. Hoping this removal is for good and not simply some type of maintenance.

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    ^ any pictures of the stubs?

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    Found these while looking:




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    Still looking for shots with the column supports visible. Meanwhile I found this from June 2008 ...



    Photo: David Scull/The New York Times

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    Presumably, the Vornado tower will be built only over the new annex on 42nd and 8th. If so, it would be nice if the original building is razed and buses are forced to unload in NJ and take the PATH. The PA could sell this land and buildings in a park-like, green setting could be built.


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    Under such a plan there'd be little reason to keep the annex, since busses have to pass through the maze of the original building to reach the annex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    Under such a plan there'd be little reason to keep the annex, since busses have to pass through the maze of the original building to reach the annex.
    I'd like to get rid of that too, but it seems that it will be built upon in the near future.

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    Bright Lights, Big Bus Terminal

    by Tom Stoelker


    The new lighting design as seen from 42nd and 8th Ave.
    Courtesy GKD-USA/A2aMEDIA


    By the end of June, the Port Authority Bus Terminal will be awash in graphics and light when a 6, 000 square foot stainless steel fabric embedded with LED lights wraps its way around the corner of 42nd Street and Eighth Avenue. The technology, known as Mediamesh, was developed by GKD-USA, a collaboration between a German light engineer firm and an American metal fabric manufacturer. The product is only four years old and allows LED imagery to wrap around buildings without disrupting interior views to the outside. But in the case of the Port Authority, the mesh allows exhaust fumes to escape while masking several giant X-trusses, a facade hasn’t exactly endeared itself to New Yorkers.


    In a rendering, a fireball flips around the facade.

    This is the largest scale application of the technology to date in New York (it’s also used on a smaller scale at the Crowne Plaza a few blocks away in Times Square). And while the Port Authority will likely be using the signage for advertising, the medium has been used for art installations, like a 4,000- hour video loop of a woman basket weaving that graces California State University’s Madden Library in Fresno.


    During the day the facade appears opaque.

    Tom Powley, president of GKD-USA, said that because the metal fabric is a tensile structure it can be hung over a large area without the need of extensive steel support.
    For the second phase of the project the remaining uncovered trusses will be lit by LED lights that face the surface of the truss. A lighting program will pull the dominant color from the billboard display and this will dictate the color of the light.
    Preferable viewing distance to see the photo imagery of the corner display ranges from 80 to 100 feet. The space between the light bands determines the translucence of the material from the street level. In some cases revealing the facade may desirable, but in the case of the Port Authority, the weave may end up a bit tighter.


    Detail of the Mediamesh screen.

    http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/archives/16531

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    ...the mesh allows exhaust fumes to escape while masking several giant X-trusses, a facade hasn’t exactly endeared itself to New Yorkers.
    I always thought the giant x-braces were the only interesting thing about the building. Guess I'm out-of-touch with the tastes of everyday New Yorkers yet again.

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    I agree-just paint them a different color like the old rusty red, and I like the seismic bracing they've installed on the south side. 40th street between 8th and 9th is like a movie set

    The interior and street level spaces are just drab though.

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    Hope they take off the grid that's been overlaid over the big Xs along Eighth & 42nd. They diminish the power of the original cross braced facade. Right now it's a mess.

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    That grid was put up ages ago, to allow super signs to be hung (such as this), trying to generate income.
    It never happened, and they never took it down...

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