View Poll Results: Which Design do you Like Best for the PABT Tower?

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Thread: Proposed - Port Authority Tower (20 Times Square) - West 42nd Street at Eighth Avenue

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    Quote Originally Posted by londonlawyer View Post
    I'd like to see this building razed, together with the spaghetti-like road network that accompanies it. Buses could let people off at a PATH station in NJ.

    If the PA could distribute these air rights elsewhere, enormous money could be generated, and this huge site could become a park.
    Not a good idea at all.

    Bus transport is efficient and flexible, especially important where the rail network is inadequate for the size of NY Metro area.

    Many of the buses that terminate at the PABT don't go through New Jersey, and particularly one place in New Jersey. Many of the buses transport passengers with luggage. You think PATH would be able to handle this?

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    I wasn't going to say anything but obviously LL has never observed the hordes of people trying to enter the IND station at Port Authority, or has any concept of how all those commuters could fit into the Hoboken or Exchange Place stations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp View Post
    Not a good idea at all.
    I would go one step further and say perhaps the worst idea I have heard in a long time. The Port Authority Terminal, and its direct connections into the Lincoln Tunnel, is an incredibly efficient transportation mechanism. It is actually booked solid -- there are no available slots for new buses, which is one of the reasons why those Express buses pick up the street, where we all have to breathe their fumes. (The other reason is those Express buses don't want to pay the PA fees for the slots.) If we want to improve the area around the Lincoln Tunnel, then we should prohibit private vehicles from using the Lincoln Tunnel during rush hours, perhaps 7-10 and 4-7. That would have a transformative effect on the area.

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    How it used to look, circa 1960:

    The Port Authority Bus Terminal

    World's largest bus terminal located on 40th and 41st Streets, Eighth and Ninth Avenues,
    showing McGraw-Hill Building in background:




    Port Authority Bus Terminal New York City. Showing the McGraw-Hill Building and, in the background,
    the Hudson River and New Jersey. The Terminal services 5,000 bus trips and 130,000 passengers daily:





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    WOW I remember that! Boy what a difference from today and where is all the traffic?

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    It was actually pretty good looking. What happened?

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    Poll: Which Design do you Like Best for the PABT Tower?
    Richard Rogers, Pelli Clarke Pelli, Kohn Pedersen Fox
    --- it would be nice if the question showed what those designs are...

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    Ten Arquitectos' competition design:



    More images: http://www.ten-arquitectos.com/proyecto.php?ip=80

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    lofter, looking at your Port Authority pictures shows the similarities between it and the tunnel entrances. I'm guessing it was all built at the same time?

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    Isn't this project dead?

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    ...and beat with a stick.

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    Vornado's project was lame. Hopefully, Extell will be selected next time.

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    An Extell involvement COULD end up in a supertall IMO. :-)

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    The TEN Arquitectos building would be a great addition to the area.

    Quote Originally Posted by stache View Post
    lofter, looking at your Port Authority pictures shows the similarities between it and the tunnel entrances. I'm guessing it was all built at the same time?
    TEN Arquitectos site says this:

    The original port authority bus terminal "opened to passengers on December 15, 1950."

    Lincoln Tunnel opened to traffic on December 22, 1937, using only what's now known as the first tunnel.

    Second tunnel opened on February 1, 1945.

    "... third tube opened on May 25, 1957 to the south of the original two tunnels. Although the three portals are side by side in New Jersey, in New York City the north tube portal is one block west of the other two, which emerge side by side at Tenth Avenue between 38th & 39th Streets."

    It seems the original 1950 PABT had entry for busses only on street level. Not sure when all the ramps were built, but perhaps that work starting in 1960. From PANYNJ PABT History:

    "The bus terminal’s first major expansion project was initiated in 1960. Three parking levels were added to the roof of the original structure, creating space for 1,000 cars."

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    Quote Originally Posted by londonlawyer View Post
    I'd like to see this building razed, together with the spaghetti-like road network that accompanies it. Buses could let people off at a PATH station in NJ.

    If the PA could distribute these air rights elsewhere, enormous money could be generated, and this huge site could become a park.
    Quote Originally Posted by ZippyTheChimp View Post
    Not a good idea at all.

    Bus transport is efficient and flexible, especially important where the rail network is inadequate for the size of NY Metro area.

    Many of the buses that terminate at the PABT don't go through New Jersey, and particularly one place in New Jersey. Many of the buses transport passengers with luggage. You think PATH would be able to handle this?
    Agreed. Terrible idea. Demolishing the world's largest/busiest bus terminal will sever a crucial transport artery into the city, especially without any good reason except "we can use another park", "let's sell air rights that we can sell without demolition anyway", and "the ramps are ugly". How can you possibly envision arguably the world's most influential city without an adequate bus terminal? (the one at GW is nowhere near adequate) Your proposed solution of "let's just send all commuters and long distance travelers to another state across the river" is even more absurd. According to this logic, a New Yorker that wishes to take a Greyhound bus out of state must travel to New Jersey first. Sure, the structure is ugly, yet its demolition, transportation-wise, would be a much greater blow to the city than the Penn Station demolition. At least Penn Station was replaced with another functional terminal, regardless of aesthetics. Your proposal is just... I don't even know what to say.
    Last edited by LeCom; July 5th, 2012 at 04:53 PM.

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