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    Quote Originally Posted by Downtown Express
    Once the Fiterman plan is approved, it is expected to take about a year to decontaminate and take down the building.
    Amazing that a "contaminated" building has been left open to the elements all these years.

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    Can't we build a mixed-use building with the school at the base like Beekman Tower? A tower by Meier would be nice.

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    Great idea --

    What they've proposed for this site is a terrible waste of valuable space and fugly to boot

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    Man, does Pei Cobb Freed suck!

    Whose idea was it to use the Norman Thomas High School at 3 Park Avenue as inspiration?

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    NOVEMBER 25, 2007

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    This building sucks and it will suck. Blah!

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    Amazing that this demolition has seen zero progress in months.

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    March 13, 2008, 12:26 pm

    Fiterman Hall Sees Light at the End of the Demolition

    By David W. Dunlap

    The damaged facade of Fiterman Hall,
    immediately north of 7 World Trade Center,
    as it appeared last week — and every other week since 2001.
    Enlarge this image.
    (Photo: David W. Dunlap/The New York Times)

    Fiterman Hall — the smaller-scale demolition nightmare on the outskirts of ground zero — is a step closer to coming down, the chancellor of the City University of New York said, now that federal regulators have approved a decontamination plan.

    “This will enable this important project to move forward,” the chancellor, Matthew Goldstein, said in a statement on Wednesday.

    Fiterman Hall is a 15-story building at 30 West Broadway, north of 7 World Trade Center, which was converted to classroom and office space for the Borough of Manhattan Community College, a unit of CUNY. It was damaged on Sept. 11, 2001, and has been standing in its ravaged state ever since while battles were waged over insurance coverage, financing sources and the adequacy of protection from contaminants while the structure is being razed. Eventually, it is to be replaced by a new Fiterman Hall.

    A decontamination crew of 30 workers is already in the building, said Marc Violette, a spokesman for the Dormitory Authority of the State of New York, which is overseeing demolition and construction for CUNY. It will take about four to six months, he said, immediately followed by the deconstruction of the building itself, which will also last about four to six months.

    The project cost is $16.3 million and the contractor is PAL Environmental Safety Corporation of Long Island City, Queens.

    Like the demolition of the former Deutsche Bank building south of the trade center site, at 130 Liberty Street, the Fiterman Hall project has redefined the meaning of the word “eventually.” The president of the community college said in 2004 that the rebuilding had to occur soon. Four years have passed.
    Last Friday, the federal Environmental Protection Agency formally accepted a decontamination plan put forth by the dormitory authority. The plan focuses on “containment measures to control potential releases of contaminants, proper procedures for monitoring the work and waste disposal,” the agency said.

    The federal agency said adherence to the safeguards proposed in the plan “will help prevent the occurrence of a situation that may present an imminent and substantial endangerment to public health and the environment.” The agency’s approval was reported Thursday by The New York Post.

    Bovis Lend Lease, the general contractor for the demolition project at 130 Liberty Street, and its former subcontractor, the John Galt Corporation, were accused last month by federal safety regulators of indifference or intentional disregard for dangerous conditions that led to a fatal fire there last August. Decontamination work was suspended.

    The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, which owns 130 Liberty Street, received approval last month to start decontamination work again. On March 3, workers from Bovis and its new subcontractor, LVI Services, arrived on the job. A spokesman for the development corporation said there was a crew of 76 workers during the day shift on Wednesday, followed by 46 for the night shift.

    Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company.

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    this eyesore and the DB hump are bookends to a nucleus of positive activity. i am looking forward to celebrating the conclusion of both demos.
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    The new guv's got his name on the door already.
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    if he could actually see this hulk he wouldn't have been so quick to throw his nombre up there.

    my bad on the naughty verbiage earlier.

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    Wikipedia said that environmental impact concerns and financial issues may have prevented the project from being completed. I don't know about the current status of Fiterman Hall.

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    Silver: City puts new Fiterman building in doubt

    By Julie Shapiro

    The city is not putting up its fair share to rebuild the damaged Fiterman Hall, local politicians say.

    The $340 million project is nearly $80 million short, and Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, who represents Lower Manhattan, says the city owes the remaining money. Part of the reason for the shortfall is that the city spent some money slated for Fiterman on other projects, Silver said.

    Fiterman Hall, a classroom building owned by the City University of New York, was rendered unusable on 9/11 when debris from the collapsing 7 W.T.C. deluged the building. CUNY is now decontaminating Fiterman before demolishing it. CUNY then plans to rebuild Fiterman Hall for the Borough of Manhattan Community College — but only if the funds come through.

    “This is an eyesore,” Silver told Downtown Express. “The building has to come down and [the new] building has to go up if we’re going to make any progress.”

    CUNY already has plenty of money to cover the $16.3 million decontamination and demolition of the building, which should be complete early next year. But as for rebuilding the tower, no one is certain what will happen.

    “In order to go forward, [Fiterman] needs the city buy-in,” said Michael Arena, a CUNY spokesperson.

    The main reason for the funding shortfall is that the city spent $60 million in Federal Emergency Management Agency funding, which was supposed to go to Fiterman Hall, on other 9/11-related projects.

    “They shouldn’t have spent the FEMA money on other projects,” Silver said. “[It] was for this project.”

    The city is replacing the money, but the city is counting that replacement toward its overall contribution to the project, rather than providing the replacement separately. That means that the city is ultimately providing less money than it was supposed to under a previous agreement with the state.

    “It was supposed to be a city-state joint project,” City Councilmember Alan Gerson said. “The city should fulfill its promise.”

    In 2005, the state and city agreed to split any cost overruns on the project. At that point, counting the expected FEMA money, the project needed an extra $40 million, so the state and city each allocated $20 million. Since then, the state allocated an additional $78.6 million, bringing its total contribution to $98.6 million, but the city has not provided a match. By Silver’s calculation, that means that the city owes CUNY $78.6 million.

    Now the city is saying that the $60 million that was supposed to come from FEMA is part of the city’s match of state funds.

    Silver said last week that he was surprised to hear the city claim the $60 million as a match, and that it does not count.

    A city official speaking on the condition of anonymity said they have no intention of providing further match money, since the project’s price tag rose by $100 million in the last year. A CUNY spokesperson confirmed the increase and gave two reasons for it. First, when CUNY estimated the cost last summer, the design work was not complete, so it makes sense that the estimate changed, he said. Second, the original plan was that CUNY would not build out the 14-story building’s top three floors, as a way to save money. But because of enrollment increases, CUNY decided it needed the space sooner rather than later and should include the build-out in the current project, raising the cost, the spokesperson said. Silver said the price change does not get the city off the hook.

    After 9/11, FEMA decided to give a lump sum of money to New York City, rather than fielding claims from businesses and institutions individually. CUNY applied for the FEMA funding and was slated to receive $60 million, channeled through the city.

    But the city received more requests for funding than they were able to handle and decided to give the $60 million to other 9/11 recovery projects. The city provided funds from its own budget to replace the $60 million in FEMA funds, and that is the money that the city now wants to count as a match of state funds.

    FEMA funding is unusual in that the money can only reimburse people for costs they have already incurred. That means the city could not have given the $60 million to CUNY until CUNY spent that amount to build the new Fiterman Hall, the city official said.

    In addition to the disputed city funds and the money from the state, CUNY also received $62.7 million in insurance, $15 million from the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation and $5 million from the 911 Fund. If the city sticks with its current decision to not give any more money, the project would have a total of about $260 million in the bank, leaving CUNY with a nearly $80 million shortfall.

    The project’s $340 million overall cost is broken into $16.3 million for decontamination and demolition, $202 million for construction and about $120 million for “soft costs,” like architects, planners and consultants.

    The decontamination and deconstruction will move forward on schedule, Arena said, “But as we get closer to the construction phase, we have to analyze exactly what funding is to pay for that.”

    Gerson may hold a City Council hearing on the funding to get more specific answers on how much money CUNY needs and when they need it.

    “The bottom line is that the money should be available so reconstruction can continue seamlessly [after demolition],” Gerson said. “The city has the responsibility to shoulder its part of the project to assure this is rebuilt and rebuilt without delay.”

    Decontamination on Fiterman Hall was most recently delayed after heightened safety concerns following the Deutsche Bank fire, which killed two firefighters last August during decontamination of that building. Workers started decontaminating Fiterman Hall six weeks ago and expect to finish in another three to five months, said Marc Violette, spokesperson for the State Dormitory Authority, which is managing the project.

    After the building is clean, workers will demolish it, which will take another four to six months. That means it will be seven to 11 months until anything could be built on the site, Violette said.

    When 7 W.T.C. collapsed into Fiterman Hall on 9/11, CUNY was nearly finished renovating the former office building to convert it into classroom space for the Borough of Manhattan Community College. Fiterman Hall would have opened in fall 2001 with much-needed classrooms, offices, lounges and computer labs.

    At B.M.C.C.’s main building on Chambers St., the school is feeling the crunch.

    Dozens of computer labs fill every crevice of the building, lining hallways and even the cafeteria. Students stand outside of the labs, waiting for a seat to open up so they can do their work. Many students do not have computers at home and have to type all their papers at B.M.C.C., said Barry Rosen, the school’s spokesperson.

    To keep class sizes small, the school has extended class times from 7 a.m. to 10 p.m., seven days a week. The administration also converted faculty offices into classrooms, which means that three, four or even five professors crowd into shared offices.

    “It’s very difficult,” said Mahmoud Ardebili, a professor of engineering who shares a small office with two other professors. “We are pressured with space — we’re working bone to bone.”

    The lack of space and privacy makes it hard to conduct research, and Ardebili has to go elsewhere for private conversations with students, he said.

    Before 9/11, B.M.C.C. was cramming approximately 16,000 students into a building meant for 8,000, Rosen said. Since 9/11, the undergraduate enrollment has risen to 20,000, and roughly 28,000 students use the Chambers St. building each week. Rented space near Fiterman Hall is helping ease the crunch, but B.M.C.C.’s main building is still short on space, he said.

    “We need this building up as soon as possible,” Rosen said of Fiterman. “We are just bursting at the seams. It’s organized, but you feel as if you’re in the subway at rush hour.”

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    All the delays with this building have been over money. The site is zoned C6. They should have brought in a private developer to defray costs. Any combination of a mixed-use tower, including space for BMCC, would have wortked.

    Even the performing arts center.

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    $10 says the Freedom Tower will be topped out (structural steel) before this thing is demolished. Maybe even completed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kz1000ps View Post
    $10 says the Freedom Tower will be topped out (structural steel) before this thing is demolished. Maybe even completed.
    wouldnt suprise me if DB is still up at that point too.

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