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    Might be some of the worst brick coursing I've ever seen anywhere. Gross.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoldanTTLB View Post
    Not terrible from up the street. I think much of this view will end up obscured by various buildings in between,


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    Such a flat exterior... Looks cheap.

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    That's because it is cheap. Can't really say how it will affect the surroundings when its done but I'm sure hoping that its positive.

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    I get the feeling this building is going to be all kinds of bad.

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    I'm going to say that I think this thing is worse than what was there before 9/11. And it's worse than everything around it.

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    Plant tall growing trees all around the perimeter sidewalks, please. Now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BStyles View Post
    That's because it is cheap. Can't really say how it will affect the surroundings when its done but I'm sure hoping that its positive.
    I'm sure this building will have a number of good sides. I don't need to delineate its faults as they are pretty obvious. However, on the positive side, it will 1) provide contrast to all the nearby glass boxes, 2) frame the 7WTC plaza much better than the old building, 3) bring an influx of students to an area dominated by tourists and office workers, and 4) provide a smoother transition, scale- and material-wise (even if it's a cheap attempt) from Downtown to Tribeca, two very different neighborhoods. And trees would indeed help enormously. Not only will they hide some of this box, but they would also liven up the windswept and lifeless Barclay Street.

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    CUNY Building at Ground Zero Nears Completion After 11 Years


    A spiral staircase, still under construction, runs through the new Fiterman Hall of the Borough
    of Manhattan Community College. It overlooks the World Trade Center through a glass wall.

    It took much less time to build the second Fiterman Hall than it took to tear down the first one.

    Construction began on the new, 17-story, $325 million Fiterman Hall of the Borough of Manhattan Community College in 2009. It is to start receiving students and faculty members this fall, making it a three-year project, more or less.

    The old, 15-story Fiterman Hall was critically damaged on Sept. 11, 2001. Eight years passed before it was demolished. The process was plagued by protracted financing battles, debates over the scope of reconstruction, intricate precautions against contamination from potentially toxic materials and the general turf warfare at ground zero.

    Meanwhile, students attended some classes in a trailer camp hastily assembled in 2001 alongside the main building on West Street as a temporary measure. The college, a unit of the City University of New York, currently has about 24,200 students, an increase of about 50 percent over the enrollment in 2001.

    The trailers were finally closed this month. Asked if he would like — in his secret heart — to douse the empty trailers with gasoline and set them ablaze in a kind of exorcism rite, Antonio Pérez, the president of the college, replied, “That would be arson.”

    He did not say, “No.”

    It was in 2004 that Dr. Pérez declared that Fiterman Hall “has to be rebuilt soon.” As he led a tour of the new Fiterman Hall two weeks ago, he gave the impression of a man who believed it may have been worth the wait.

    The new Fiterman Hall will offer something that has been in short supply at the college: ample space outside and around classrooms for students to socialize, study and simply hang out. “This will be the first time we can give our students a college experience,” Dr. Pérez said. “They’ve been stuck in a box and we’ve asked them to come in all hours of the day and on the weekends.”

    Soon, he said, they will have double-height atrium lounges, a multilevel quiet study area and a ground-floor cafe overlooking Silverstein Family Park, in front of 7 World Trade Center.
    Faculty members will get something, too: private offices. “The idea of new furniture is going to be greatly appreciated,” said G. Scott Anderson, the vice president for administration and planning.

    The long delay actually served the project’s interest. Because the economic turmoil that began in 2008 has forced private developers to scale back their building projects, the cost of labor and materials has come down. “Five years ago, we didn’t have enough money to get above the fourth floor,” Mr. Anderson said. Now, the college’s money can be stretched far enough to purchase terrazzo floors for public areas.

    Designed by Pei Cobb Freed & Partners, Fiterman Hall is unmistakable in the ensemble of ground zero buildings with its red brick facade. It is sure to draw visitors to its art gallery, Dr. Pérez said. Given the tremendous pedestrian traffic that already courses (or shuffles) along nearby Vesey Street, Fiterman Hall will almost certainly become a kind of public front door to the college, whose enormous main building is four blocks north.

    David W. Dunlap/The New York Times A cafe, to be open to the public,
    will occupy this space overlooking Silverstein Family Park.

    More than 70 percent of the cost of Fiterman Hall was financed by city and state matching funds, city appropriations and federal grants. About 20 percent was met by insurance proceeds. The project was overseen at the university level by Iris Weinshall, the vice chancellor for facilities planning for CUNY. The Hunter Roberts Construction Group is the construction manager and general contractor.

    Of the building’s 17 floors, three are exclusively mechanical, leaving 14 for the college’s use, with a total of just over 390,000 square feet. (The old Fiterman Hall had 375,000 square feet.) Ten floors are to be ready for occupancy in the fall by the accounting, business management and computer information science departments. The music and art department and the ethnic studies department will have to wait a few months longer, but music students will get a 2,600-square-foot rehearsal hall with a view of the new World Trade Center and a suspended floor for better acoustics.

    And the trailers? They’re far too valuable in the overcrowded CUNY system to be discarded. Their next stop, Dr. Pérez said, may be Staten Island College.

    The new Fiterman Hall is already becoming well enough known to attract critics. Dr. Pérez told of a woman passing by who was overheard recently by a Hunter Roberts employee deploring the new structure. “It looks like a school,” she complained.

    The contractor replied, “Well, it is a school.”

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    It'll be a great day when that line of trailers along West Street are carted away.

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    CUNY’s Brick Paneled Back-to-Schoolhouse to Open at WTC

    by Tom Stoelker

    Brick panels being installed at CUNY’s Fiterman Hall this past spring. (Stoelker/AN)

    In a neighborhood of glass and steel, Fiterman Hall stands out. The new building, part of the CUNY Borough of Manhattan Community College downtown campus, is designed by Pei Cobb Freed and sits adjacent to the World Trade Center. The 17-story building is fronted in large prefabricated red-brick panels rhythmically relieved by square glass windows revealing multilevel interior atria. At a cost of $325 million, this is not your grandmother’s little red schoolhouse.

    Jeff Koons sculpture from the Silverstein Family Park fronts CUNY’s Fiterman Hall.

    The vertical seams between the brick-faced precast panels betray the interlocking nature of classic red brick and the smooth prefab surface contrasts the tactile quality of hand laid masonry. Regardless, the panels certainly place Fiterman apart as an institutional structure amidst corporate America’s continued penchant for glass.

    The Pei Cobb Freed’s paneled brick as compared to SOM’s glass sheath.

    Brick paneling is hardly new, but with prefabricated buildings making inroads, it’s hard not to view them as another form of value engineering requiring less union hands at the construction site. But David Sovinski, director of industry development for the International Masonry Institute (IMI), said that their membership doesn’t have a problem with the material. IMI is an alliance between the International Union of Bricklayers, Allied Craftworkers, and contractors who promote masonry construction. He noted that IMI union members are better trained to install the panels, as they are with most enclosure methods except glazing. Their main goal, regardless of the method, is to keep trained union hands on the site. “They get man hours off all kinds of construction,” said Sovinski. “You can always go to a factory in rural Pennsylvania for nonunion cheaper labor, but our training is more productive. If you use a trained craft person you don’t get callbacks to fix mistakes.”

    Large elements of glazing butt against the brick panels.

    The completion of Fiterman Hall is probably one of the more high profile uses of the material in Manhattan, but with the Gotham West tower swiftly rising on Eleventh Avenue and 44th Street, it won’t be the largest. There, more than 1,200 apartments will stretch over almost an entire city block. Gotham’s 11th Avenue tower and midblock low-rise are already getting brick panels slapped on as fast as you can say “prefab.”

    Once again, at Gotham, the panels appear smooth, uniform, and manufactured. “I prefer laid in place, I think it’s a better system,” admitted Sovinski. “When you see these fake solutions, it just looks poor.”

    Gotham West, a massive rental rising Eleventh and 44th makes extensive use of the panels.

    The brick panels were beginning to go up onto Gotham West last month.

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    How could the reporter, who seems bent on selling the pre-fab facade at Fiterman, fail to mention the terrible looking & ill-fitting joints of the masonry panels seen here?

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    August 27, 2012

    Students Return to Rebuilt Fiterman Hall 11 Years After 9/11

    By Julie Shapiro

    Fiterman Hall opened its doors to BMCC students Aug. 27, 2012.

    LOWER MANHATTAN — Students poured into the newly rebuilt Fiterman Hall Monday morning, nearly 11 years after the collapse of 7 World Trade Center heavily damaged the former Borough of Manhattan Community College building on the same site.

    The modern, 14-story brick building at Greenwich and Barclay streets rose after the lengthy demolition of the old Fiterman Hall finished several years ago. In addition to providing much-needed classrooms, offices and computer labs for the overcrowded BMCC, the new school building also features sweeping spiral staircases and floor-to-ceiling windows overlooking the World Trade Center.

    "It gives you some inspiration to push you forward in your studies," said Allon Morgan, 22, a Brooklyn resident who is studying liberal arts. "It makes you feel like you're part of an elite school."

    Students and professors alike said they appreciated the breathing room in Fiterman Hall, compared to BMCC's cramped headquarters on Chambers Street, where professors share offices, and students attend classes in trailers. The school's enrollment swelled from 17,000 before 9/11 to more than 24,000 today — and only now are the facilities catching up with the growth.

    Before Fiterman Hall opened, Katherine Conway, a professor of business management, worked from a windowless closet that had been converted to an office. Now she has a large window, more filing cabinets, and the chance to teach in one of the 80 new high-tech classrooms.

    "The environment does matter for faculty, staff and students," Conway said. "People want to feel that what they do is important and worthwhile."

    The business, accounting and computer information systems departments have already moved into Fiterman Hall, and the ethnic studies, music and art departments will move in the spring, when the new practice studios are finished, BMCC said.

    A ground-floor art gallery and cafe, which will both be open to the public, are still under construction as well.

    On Monday morning, as students hurried to find their new classrooms or relaxed in lounges overlooking the 9/11 Memorial, many praised architect Pei Cobb Freed's modern design.

    "The architecture is different from the main building — there's a lot of light," said Alyn Defay, 21, from Queens. "It's really joyful."

    Even the new students, who had never taken classes in the crowded Chambers Street building, said they were glad to make a fresh start in a new place.

    "We're the first ones to step in here," said Khalidah Kibria, 17, from The Bronx. "It feels good."

    Students gathered outside Fiterman Hall during a fire drill Aug. 27, 2012.

    Spiral staircases connect the floors of the new FIterman Hall, which opened Aug. 27, 2012.

    The new Fiterman Hall, which opened Aug. 27, 2012, is more spacious than the Borough of Manhattan Community College's main building on Chambers Street.

    Allon Morgan enjoyed a book in one of the student lounges at Fiterman Hall overlooking the World Trade Center site.

    A class in a new high-tech computer lab at Fiterman Hall Aug. 27, 2012.

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