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Thread: 8 Spruce Street - Beekman Tower - by Frank Gehry

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    Heh heh...

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    Why such bile? We're getting the best addition to New York's skyline since 1930.

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    as far as i can tell the tower is a T footprint with set backs on the west, east and north faces.

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    Bile? Come on. Just tweaking Gehry a bit.

    I've observed that celebrity architects, regardless of their talent level, have no trouble pulling tortured analogies out of the ether to describe their work. Gehry could have described the differences in laying out a condo and a rental without being condescending to his client's customer base.

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    I've had occasions to converse with Gehry, and I've found him genuinely humble --to a fault. Self-doubt follows him around like a stray dog. He's the wrong guy to accuse of arrogance.

    With a little bit of ill-will, you can put a negative reading on anything.

    Lots of folks envy his success. (I know I do --though I don't let it bear fruit.)

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    ablarc, do you have a crush on Frank Gehry? You're always defending the man and his work and speaking of him with something akin to affection.

    I think what makes this design good is that Gehry didn't (probably couldn't due to the budget) create another fussy shape like those seen at Atlantic Yards and in most of the design studies that were published earlier. It's a classic form with a textured facade. I don't want to see a billowing mess in the skyline.

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    In my opinion Gehry is not a successful architect. He is rich and popular but he has not produced good architecture and I feel he has let his work become typecast. Not a good role model for young architects.

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    I like his Fred & Ginger building.

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    Frank has a problem with tall buildings. They're awkward IMO.

    However he has achieved greatness with some of his lower-rise buildings.

    Having seen his LA Disney Concert Hall in person I can say I think it is a great building.

    I hope to see his Guggenheim Bilbao in person one day -- I think it must be a great building as well.

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    The Fred & Ginger building is the only Gehry structure that I really like. It's also his most urban building.

    I'd also recommend scratching Gehry off the role model list for young architects. He initially would be put on the list for his success and for designing eye-catching buildings, but upon further examination he should be eliminated for the improbability of his success and for the problematic nature of constructing, using, and maintaining his buildings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citytect View Post
    problematic nature of constructing, using, and maintaining his buildings.
    also describes a starchitect of yore who shares gehry's first name

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citytect View Post
    ablarc, do you have a crush on Frank Gehry? You're always defending the man and his work and speaking of him with something akin to affection.
    I like the buildings and I like the man.



    Easy to talk to, honest, unstuffy.

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    From: Downtown Express

    Lower Manhattan towers get scrutiny


    Beekman Tower


    After a Kodiak crane collapsed last week at 333 East 91st Street, the remaining seven Kodiak cranes around the city were shut down, causing a stop work order for the W New York Downtown Hotel and Residences and bringing added to scrutiny to other towers rising in Lower Manhattan. Construction of the Beekman Tower is under way, but the project's crane, which will eventually rise above the tower's 76 stories, has residents and Community Board members concerned. The Goldman Sachs Tower was able to partially resume work this week after a metal plate fell from the building and landed in the middle of a Downtown Little League field.

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    ^^^you know, your Wright

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    Quote Originally Posted by ablarc View Post
    I've had occasions to converse with Gehry, and I've found him genuinely humble --to a fault. Self-doubt follows him around like a stray dog. He's the wrong guy to accuse of arrogance.
    Like Zippy said, I was more busting Gehry's balls than leveling any serious criticisms. Your words only confirm the impressions I've gotten of his character from video interviews and the like, especially the part about self-doubting. That is abundantly clear, almost curiously so.

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