Reply With QuoteEasy to assume, without knowing the project's finances.
He barely received financing with this current design.
He didn't have to hire Gehry and could have given us the standard flat glass tower. He has been anything but cheap with this project.
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Thanks for that scoop & inside info.
I dub him: Bruce da RAT -- cheap and without taste
Easy to assume, without knowing the project's finances.
He barely received financing with this current design.
He didn't have to hire Gehry and could have given us the standard flat glass tower. He has been anything but cheap with this project.
Last edited by Derek2k3; September 23rd, 2008 at 12:11 PM.
ha ha -- written in the same post:
(1) the project's finances are unknown, and
(2) da Rat has been anything but cheap
Not Ratners fault he was just being, well, a developer; and one thing that we know about developers is that when it comes to building design they are going to be a cheap as: A) they can get away with B) their conscience/pride allows them to. And B tends go go pretty low most of the time.
This one I blame on Gerhy for getting bent like a paper clip. This was supposed to be his masterpiece and all he gave us was a piece, with the sacrilege of having a straight flat wall.
I would have more respect for him if he had walked out of this project, like other archtiects have done in the past (ie-Foster), and not diminishing his architectural standards
Well, let's just say that Mr. Gehry is not Howard Roark.
Maybe Gehry is satisfied with 3/4 of a "masterpiece"
Guys the tower portion has many sides, as far as Im assuming its only one plane that will be flat.
Yes, buti it is the BIGGEST plane, encompassing the entire south side of the tower.
The other seven sides of the "T" will have the bendy / wavy treatment and are all individually < 1/2 the length of the south-facing wall.
Originally Posted by lofter1
Stop complaining, he could have built a box, and then you would b**ch even more(this is not towards you loft) . In realty this should turn out quite nice, especially with Gehry's Metallic Facade treatments. think of it this way, it is def not a box, its tall, and there will be no concrete walls in sight, sounds like we have nothing to complain about
Maybe Gehry is satisfied with 3/4 of a "masterpiece"Sometimes the perfect can be the enemy of the merely excellent.
(Can you ever have enough?)
Please. All the negativity and for what? We're still getting an iconic building. So one side will rise up flush? You think this hasn't ever been done before?
500 Fifth Avenue (north side):
401 Broadway (north side):
Note the use of setbacks on the east/west and south exposures of both. Gehry's plan is actually very much in keeping with classic 1930s-era, New York setback skyscraper design.
OK. I'm Happy. None of this matters:
The south wall is completely flat, no setbacks, no undulations and the window recesses are the same as the other flat areas of the CW - about 6 inches.
The South wall was flattened as a value engineering exercise.
My sentiments exactly, gee! let's be happy its not a blank wall ofPlease. All the negativity and for what? We're still getting an iconic building. So one side will rise up flush? You think this hasn't ever been done before?
500 Fifth Avenue (north side):
401 Broadway (north side):
Note the use of setbacks on the east/west and south exposures of both. Gehry's plan is actually very much in keeping with classic 1930s-era, New York setback skyscraper design.
bland concrete, far to many examples of those in the city as well. Many cities would kill for what will likely be iconic bldg.
Is that so?and one thing that we know about developers is that when it comes to building design they are going to be a cheap as: A) they can get away with B) their conscience/pride allows them to.
So who were the people that built the Empire State Building? The Chrysler Building? The Woolworth Building? 40 Wall St? The Metlife Tower? Rockefeller Plaza? CitiCorp? One World Wide Plaza? NY Times tower? The Tower Verre? Just to name a few.
It's easy to criticize others but we aren't the ones putting your own money or livelihood on the line here. I am guilty of doing that from time to time too but let's not get overboard.
Ratner isn't the most beloved developer here and has his share of bad projects (Atlantic Center, Atlantic Terminal, etc.) but let's be objective here and evaluate him on a per project basis.
He did choose Gehry here and he also has given us the NY Times.
He could have easily gone with Kondylis but he didn't. A Gehry building with 3 great sides and perhaps one lesser side is still a millions times better than having a Kondylis or a SLCE.
Last edited by antinimby; September 23rd, 2008 at 10:05 PM.
Even da Rat, crooked and cheap as he might be, isn't so stupid that he'd build a blank brick wall on a facade that doesn't face onto a lot line (such as is the case in all the other examples given).
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