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Thread: 8 Spruce Street - Beekman Tower - by Frank Gehry

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    Wait, TWC was advertised as 80f and TWT as 90, maybe this building will be only 50 floors after all?


    I hope not, But then again I might be right because they did say TWC was 55 floors and TWT was 73 eventually, and this one was incresed from 50 to 75
    Ech. Please read my preceeding post. Since designs are schematic there is no height and they can't begin marketing a height yet. However it was published, not marketed, that the building will be the second tallest in lowermanhattan, that would only go with a 75 storey building.

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    No I was saying that it probably was not the case.

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    No I was saying that it probably was not the case.
    No you weren't, I can read.

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    I was saying I was probably right not to worry, read closer next time.

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    What are you saying, that you were right or that you were wrong, make up your mind.

    I was saying I was probably right not to worry, read closer next time.
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    No I was saying that it probably was not the case.

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    DOWNTOWN EXPRESS

    Mayor, Silver and Ratner discuss new school’s details



    Schools Chancellor Joel Klein, Mayor Bloomberg and Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver at last Friday’s school announcement. Developer Bruce Ratner, bottom also attended.


    By Josh Rogers

    Downtown residents’ long-term efforts to get a new school in Lower Manhattan moved closer to reality Friday when Mayor Mike Bloomberg announced the city would build a K-8 school as part of a 75-story residential tower to be designed by Frank Gehry.

    The mayor’s decision, first reported in last week’s Downtown Express, will include room for 600 students and is scheduled to open Sept. 2008. Developer Bruce Ratner agreed to build a five-story school adjacent to the Gehry tower on the parking lot between Beekman, Spruce, Nassau and Gold Sts. At the end of last year, Forest City Ratner bought the site from NYU Downtown Hospital, which will also have an ambulatory care facility in the new building.

    The school will cost about $65 million, with $45 million coming from the city and $20 million expected from the Lower Manhattan Development Corp. After the announcement, Ratner said that if there are cost overruns, he would be responsible for any added expenses.

    Judy Trazino, who lives right near the site at Southbridge Towers, called the announcement “wonderful” news. The middle school will open too late to help her daughter in the third grade but she hopes the school will have a good, structured environment for her daughter in the first grade at P.S. 42 on the Lower East Side.

    “At 11 years old, I think kids are too young to be going to school by public transportation,” she said in a telephone interview.

    Many parents in Battery Park City feel the same way and recently sent a petition to Bloomberg asking him to turn I. S. 89 into a zoned middle school. The new school will undoubtedly relieve the Downtown overcrowding problems but may not solve the middle school zoning issues. B.P.C. parents now must apply for a place in I.S. 89 and are only guaranteed a slot at M.S. 104 on E. 21st St., almost an hour away from the neighborhood by public transportation.

    Klein suggested Friday that the new East Side middle school primarily will be for students coming up through the elementary school, implying that there may not be much room for graduates of the West Side elementary schools, P.S. 89, P.S. 234 and P.S. 150.

    “I think it will be a big, big thing to have that continuity through elementary and middle school,” Klein said at Tweed Courthouse, the Dept. of Education’s headquarters.

    Councilmember Alan Gerson said he thinks the zoning for the Lower Manhattan schools should be reexamined and that he has raised the issue with Peter Heaney, superintendent of Region 9. Gerson had the sense that Heaney was taking the issue seriously, but Heaney did not return a call for comment.

    Last fall, Gerson signed a letter with Dep. Mayor Dan Doctoroff in which the city agreed to make its best efforts to find a K- 8 school site on the East Side. When the site search appeared to stall, there was speculation that Bloomberg was dragging his feet in an effort to convince another school advocate, Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, to support construction of a football stadium over the Hudson Rail Yards.

    Both the mayor and Silver denied the stadium entered into the discussions. When Silver was asked if he now felt more inclined to support the stadium, the mayor jumped in to say, “boy I wish that were the case.”

    For his part, Silver said: This is not about a stadium. This is about the future of Downtown Manhattan….

    “There is no better sign that a community is safe and growing and a desirable place to live than when leaders come together to create new public school,” Silver said.

    Lower Manhattan is the fastest growing part of the city and Madelyn Wils, Community Board 1 chairperson and a member of the L.M.D.C. board, said with all of the residential construction underway Downtown’s population is expected to reach 60,000 next year double from what it was in 2000.

    Bloomberg said he was “comfortable we’ll get the [school] money from the L.M.D.C.”

    The mayor appoints half the members to the L.M.D.C. and the man who appoints the other half, Gov. George Pataki, has previously expressed support for building a K-8 in Lower Manhattan.

    The L.M.D.C. has about $820 million left in its funds for Downtown and is planning to release a plan for the rest of the money in March, at the conclusion of negotiations with the governor and mayor.

    Carl Weisbrod, a Bloomberg appointee to the L.M.D.C. board, attended the school announcement and said a few days later about the requested $20 million, “If it’s needed, of course I will support it.”

    Weisbrod, president of the Downtown Alliance, said schools increase real estate values. Weisbrod was formerly president of the Economic Development Corp., which made a deal to build P.S. 234 in 1988 with revenue from what was then called the Shearson tower on Greenwich St.

    “One of the great economic development projects that E.D.C. did was the construction of P.S. 234,” Weisbrod said in a telephone interview. “It was one of the important factors that made Tribeca into the fabulous community that it is.”

    Ratner said at the press conference that he thought of the school as an amenity but he was not sure exactly how much value it added to his project. Ratner said he is charging the city roughly the same rate he wanted from Pace University to join the project. Pace pulled out of the deal a few months ago because the price was too high. The city will own the 100,000-square-foot school and Bloomberg likened it to a condo in the development. It will be on the west side of the project. To the west of the school will be a 13,000 square foot plaza which will serve as a buffer for Nassau St. residents who had objected to the tower being too close to their buildings.

    The $570 million tower will be to the east. Ratner had previously told Downtown Express that Gehry’s initial renderings showed a wavy tower and the developer motioned his hands in the shape of a woman to illustrate his point. Ratner said Friday he expects to see new renderings from the renowned architect in about a month, but he assumes the general shape will be the same.

    Ratner plans to build 200-250 traditional condos on the upper floors and 450 – 500 rental apartments in the rest of the building.

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    Ha! There you go, we're gonna have a building that is curvy like a woman, and its gonna be the second tallest in downtown after the freedom tower, AND it's gonna have a school in it. Wow

    I can't wait to see those rednerings

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    A month!? Jesus, thats too long to wait!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolbster
    and its gonna be the second tallest in downtown after the freedom tower
    If it's going to be the second tallest after FT, it's must exceed 952 feet. Is there any indication it will exceed 1000 feet? (Sorry if this info is somewhere else on the board.)

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    A month!? Jesus, thats too long to wait!
    The article said its a month's time until Ratner sees another rendering. Gehry is reclusive and he calls his own shots, reason why he dropped out of the NYTIMES competition, who knows when we'll get our first glimpse.

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    I hope we see it soon.

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    It will be second tallest after FT for a year or so until 2 WTC comes along.


    But still, a tower of 75 floors and at least 960 or more feet is always wonderful news, Downtown is changing drastically,

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    Excuse me, but where in that D.E. article above does it state that the building will be the 2nd tallest in Downtown?
    I hate to burst everyone's bubble but I have a feeling it's never gonna be that high (900+ that is).
    Remember, THIS IS NY and especially in that part of town where even a 300-footer draws the ire of the residents because it's "too big."
    Besides, how tall can the building be if the cost is 570 million?
    My bet is something bet. 650 - 800 (which might even be too high).

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    You are right. There have been no height announcements. The fact that the building will be 75 storeys may have caused unwarranted assumptions of height.

    It will all depend on the floor to floor height, and whether it will actually be 75 storeys.

    The $570 million is not really a low figure if you consider the building volume. One million sq ft (excluding the school) with 75 floors would mean floor plates around 13,000 sq ft, a footprint of 115 x 115.

    I'm guessing the height will be between 800-850 ft.

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    What are you talking about, you cant build a 75 story tower at 650 feet antinimby.


    It was stated earlier that it will be the second tallest building downtown, taller than 40 wall, AIG and 80SS. and 75 mixed use storeys today will bring it higher than 900 feet. the building will cost little because its residential and a very narrow tower.


    If what you are saying is true NY will never see a supertall building again because theyre "too big"

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