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Thread: 8 Spruce Street - Beekman Tower - by Frank Gehry

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    I am always astounded by that awful base.

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    It's a school, and as a school it's good, it's great. I'm glad kids won't have to put up with a piece of Gehry trash like the Stata Center.

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    ^ A spokesman for all the oppressed kids.

    Glad there's someone to speak up for them.

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    Additionally, the base isn't awful, it's just plain. It would be strange if it were gaudy in the way many of the beauties in the immediate vicinity are, and it's not the awful hospital or garage across the street. All in all, I think it's a successful podium for a magnificent statue. What more, exactly, could we ask for? It respects the street wall, is human in scale, and is not repetitive in the way many buildings are at ground level.

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    It's also a school. So that must add to it in some way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoldanTTLB View Post
    What more, exactly, could we ask for?
    Oh I don't know, grey brick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoldanTTLB View Post
    Additionally, the base isn't awful, it's just plain. It would be strange if it were gaudy in the way many of the beauties in the immediate vicinity are, and it's not the awful hospital or garage across the street. All in all, I think it's a successful podium for a magnificent statue. What more, exactly, could we ask for? It respects the street wall, is human in scale, and is not repetitive in the way many buildings are at ground level.
    Yes, all true enough, but after all, the ‘form’ of this building is pretty much only a matter of 'maxing-out the buildable envelope'; that is, the overall form of this structure (as is the case in most all others in NYC) is arrived at by building-out to the absolute limit of whatever is permitted by the applicable height & setback requirement for a given zoning lot.

    So, although I am sure the Architect would appreciate your approval: I don’t really think he had that much to say about the podium or that streetwall.

    BTW, did you mention that you worked in the construction industry: structural engineer I think it was - in which case you probably know more than I do about "building Envelopes".

    Cheers

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    No, I only fantasize about working in the construction industry. That said, I'm curious if the building isn't taller than originally planned. There are a significant number of floors above the final setback (as compared to lower ones), and there was the whole capitulation to the neighbors over the west side of the building, etc. I actually think it's much more interesting asymmetrical, but what do I know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stache View Post
    Oh I don't know, grey brick?
    I was going to say the same thing: a different color!!! How much more expensive is it to get the color right, at least?

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    That orange brick has become a NYC school standard.

    It was also used at nearby PS 276, but half the building was grey brick.

    The orange brick is flat and lifeless; the multi-toned grey gives the wall a more textured appearance.


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    That would have been much better.

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    I don't know about gray brick. There's a long line of cheap hotels that feature the stuff prominently, and we don't seem to be a fan of those. I certainly know I'm not. I also don't think gray would have done the neighborhood any favors, but maybe not?

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    There's quite a few cheap red brick hotels as well.

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    It's the mix of grey and red that works. Plus it helps to break up the mass.

    Too bad they didn't do a contrasting color on those big inset areas at 8 Spruce.

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    PS 276 is a nine story building.

    I don't think the mass is much of a problem here.

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