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Thread: 8 Spruce Street - Beekman Tower - by Frank Gehry

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    Good news ^^ for the Beekman project.

    Hopefully this will allow the parties to resolve the issues surrounding the school in the Ratner building, the project can move forward and ...

    DESIGN will be forthcoming

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    as stated before, nothing on this till 2008 plus ratner is looking to sell a stake in the nets since he is losing 1 million plus a month on them,

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    Quote Originally Posted by kliq6
    as stated before, nothing on this till 2008 plus ratner is looking to sell a stake in the nets since he is losing 1 million plus a month on them,
    Ratner is losing money on the Nets and he is looking to sell a stake. But they are seperate projects.

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    just made a staement about him. First sentence i wrote was about this project

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    There were supposed to be news sometime this month and so far we haven't heard anything. MecEngineer, would you happen to have anything for us?? I'm beginning to get nervous about the viability of this development.

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    Any update on Beekman schools and /or project ?

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    I'm going to just assume this project is another pipedream.
    I hate sounding so pessimistic but lately I have been repeatedly disappointed.

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    ^Probably, along with caltrava tower.


    I hate being pessemistic too, and I sometimes get bashed for it, But new york does not have a good history of getting alot of proposed projects done. I forget who posted a figure at skyscraperpage but it was something like only 30% of proposed buildings in NY actually get built.

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    Default Limbo....

    Well I passed by that parking lot a couple of days ago and I asked the person in the booth if it is true that they were going to close the parking lot to build a tower. The man told me that he had heard that rumor last year and that if it does close it wont be until like 2 more years because they will go to court. And that makes sense cuz this is almost a exclusively a residential area so the NIMBY's will be out in full force against this one unfortunately.

    Also the media accounts are conflicting. In one article in the WSJ I read that Ratner's plan for a downtown residential building were canceled (although they didn't mention the Beekman St tower specifically), while in another article I read that Ratner will build a $210 million residential building in Beekman St. So as far as this project goes it is a pretty ambiguous situation.

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    Your post is what is ambiguous.

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    Default does anyone else have any information ? macengineer?

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    Default Here are the articles I have mentioned in my previous post

    This is my WSJ source:

    I only copied an excerpt. You may access the full article at the WSJ site.

    (4/03/06)
    The Architect May Be A-List,
    But the Condos Aren't Selling

    By Troy McMullen
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    The Wall Street Journal Online
    It sounds like the ultimate home: A stylish urban condo with huge windows, sleek surfaces and the imprimatur of the star architect who designed it all.
    Yet some high-end developers are discovering that it takes more than a name to move the merchandise.

    No Bidders
    But at least that tower got built. Two years ago, developer Frank J. Sciame hired Pritzker Prize-winning Spanish architect Santiago Calatrava to create one of the most highly stylized apartment houses ever envisioned for New York. The building in lower Manhattan would consist of 10 cube-like apartment units, each 45 feet high, cantilevered one atop each other around a central axis. Yet none of the units -- asking $29 million to $45 million each -- has even received a bid, let alone sold, says Mr. Sciame, and construction hasn't started. Other high-profile Manhattan projects have been scrapped outright, including costly condos that were to be designed by architects Frank Gehry and Zaha Hadid.


    Like I've mentioned in my previous post I'm not sure if this article is referring to Beekman St project but does mention Gehry. I E-mailed the reporter to clarify this.

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    This article states that the Beekman will get built.

    Downtown Is Bracing for the Chaos Of Construction at Ground Zero

    BY DAVID LOMBINO - Staff Reporter of the Sun
    April 28, 2006
    URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/31809



    Bostonians complained about the Big Dig for years. New Yorkers may soon understand why.

    Like a long-awaited arrival of the cavalry, cranes and trucks finally showed up at ground zero yesterday. Soon, Lower Manhattan from the Battery up to Canal Street will be overflowing with hard hats, bright orange traffic cones, trucks, and noise. When the dust settles and about 15,000 construction workers head home - in roughly five or six years - the financial district will be entirely different.

    Private developers and government agencies are preparing to pour more than $20 billion into new office and apartment buildings. But amid widespread enthusiasm that rebuilding is finally on track, nearly five years after the September 11, 2001, attacks, there is growing concern among those who live and work downtown about what the construction process will mean for them.

    "If you do everything too fast, you could potentially make Lower Manhattan virtually impossible to work in and live in," the district manager of down town's Community Board 1, Paul Goldstein, said.

    Mayor Bloomberg and Governor Pataki in 2004 created the Lower Manhattan Construction Command Center to coordinate rebuilding among various public and private developers.

    A command center director, Dan Mc-Cormick, acknowledged that his two dozen employees will have a tough task. He pointed out that Boston's Big Dig, a $14.6 billion highway project, took about 15 years to complete.

    "The Big Dig was a huge project, but it was a much bigger space," he said. "In the consolidated space we are talking about, and in the third-largest business district in the country, this is a huge task."

    Mr. McCormick said the peak of construction will not arrive for about two more years, in 2008.

    Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a Democrat who represents Lower Manhattan, said he wants construction done in a way that would minimize potential negative health effects to residents.

    "There is a lot of contamination left over from 9/11. Demolition and construction could put a lot of that in the air," Mr. Nadler said.

    "A nuisance is a nuisance, that's bad enough. But environmental carelessness can kill people," he continued.

    Mr. Nadler said that initial environmental planning, including the 2,000-page environmental report prepared by the city and state in 2004, was not adequate. But he said environmental controls are "moving in the right direction."

    The amount of planned construction is staggering. This week, a framework agreement was reached between the Port Authority and developer Larry Silverstein that will allow construction to begin on the commercial development at ground zero.

    Within a two-block radius of the former World Trade Center site, $9.9 billion of construction and infrastructure projects will take place. That includes the Freedom Tower, the memorial, the Calatrava PATH station, three giant commercial towers along Church Street, a retail center, a residential building on the site of the badly damaged Deutsche Bank building, and the Fulton Street transit hub.

    Nearby, Goldman Sachs will build its $2 billion headquarters. Big residential towers, mostly slated to be luxury apartments, are planned north and south of ground zero and to the west in Battery Park City. To the east, Forest City Ratner will build a 75-story residential tower that contains a school.

    The city's Department of Transportation is planning on improving both Chambers Street and lower Broadway, and Route 9A/West Street will be rebuilt from the Battery north to Chambers Street. All over the area, workers will be carrying out the bland but important work of relocating utilities.

    Planners are comparing the Lower Manhattan projects to the planned $15 billion expansion of Chicago's O'Hare Airport and the rebuilding of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.

    The president of the Alliance for Downtown New York, Eric Deutsch, said his organization is seeking to coordinate communication between the public and private sectors to keep car and pedestrian traffic moving, and to make sure the construction site looks clean and neat.

    When the work is done, he said, "We are going to see a Lower Manhattan that will rival any dynamic central business district anywhere."

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    Well, we did hear from a neighbor of the project further back in this thread and that person said negotiations with Ratner had been rather productive and that there was not widespread opposition to the building. So, hold fire on NIMBYs. The Gehry/Ratner combo caught a lot of flak over the Atlantic Yards fiasco (my interpretation). Perhaps, they thought it was time to part ways. I think it would be very bad politics for Ratner to have Beekman coming out of the ground before his much balleyhooed Atlantic Yards makes a move.

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    The way macengineer was talking there was no thought of it not going ahead although the silence is worrying

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    that article just talked about planned construction projects and the impact they cwill have on the area, the beekman tower needs many approvals to happen, maybe startying construction in 2008 if we are lucky, but if condo marketcools, this is in jepordy.

    I think of this site as a great place to put some biotech stuff, diversify the economy, but what do i know

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