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Thread: 8 Spruce Street - Beekman Tower - by Frank Gehry

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    I think that Phizer was going to build something at the Con Ed site but it fell through. So maybe they could try doing whatever the plan was at this site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kliq6
    tthe beekman tower needs many approvals to happen
    What approvals are left?

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    i can send you alist, i have contacts at Forest as i do at most developers, trust me on this, they will break ground on Nets arena and atleast three aprtments buildings in BK before this one

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    I didn't ask or comment on whether it will be built. I asked what are the "many approvals" you mentioned.

    To my knowledge, the approval process is complete. The only one that can stop the project is Ratner.

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    Pataki signs deal to allow school construction


    By Ronda Kaysen
    Volume 18, Number 50 | April 28 - May 4, 2006

    Governor George Pataki signed legislation Monday providing capital funding for New York City schools, paving the way for the city to build two new elementary schools Downtown.

    Last month, the state Legislature reached an agreement to deliver $6.5 billion in state capital funds to New York City, providing $1.8 billion in aid this year and another $4.7 billion over five year. The city will contribute the other half of the $13.1 billion capital plan, most of which will be financed through the New York City Transitional Finance Authority.

    “This new record state construction aid will allow New York City to modernize and improve our schoolchildren’s learning environment,” Pataki said in a statement.

    Bloomberg had threatened to cut funding for 21 new schools and delay construction for another 68 if the state did not fund half of the capital construction plan. Among the schools on the list were a new 600-seat elementary school planned for the East Side of Lower Manhattan, known as the Beekman School and a new 150-seat annex for P.S. 234, a Tribeca elementary school. P.S. 234, which serves all of Downtown east of West St., is currently at 120 percent capacity and will have to close its science room next year to make room for the booming school age population.

    “Parents across the city want new schools in their neighborhoods, but the plain facts were that there just wasn’t enough money for them – until this morning,” Bloomberg said in a statement.

    Pataki has long resisted increasing funding to city schools. He has appealed a lawsuit by the Campaign for Fiscal Equity, a parent and advocate organization, that maintains that city schools have been consistently shortchanged in state education funding. The courts have repeatedly ruled in favor of C.F.E.

    But this month he indicated that he would not block the schools funding legislation, although he did veto tax cuts in the state budget, igniting a standoff with state lawmakers.

    “We put the pressure on him in the way we crafted it [the legislation] that he couldn’t reject it,” Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver told Downtown Express in a telephone interview. The two Downtown schools that Bloomberg had threatened to delay are in Silver’s district. The capital funding package also includes money for upstate schools, sweetening the deal for upstate critics of C.F.E., who insist the city gets enough state money. “The pressure was on a statewide basis. He could not veto it… He would lose whatever public support he had if he took this out,” said Silver.

    Bloomberg’s stance on schools funding galvanized Downtown parents who organized a rally on the steps of City Hall and protested outside a groundbreaking for a residential development that was tied to the two new schools. The community had won the Downtown schools when the city sold public land to private developers to build high-rise residential developments. Local residents agreed to taller buildings in exchange for the schools. The written agreement, signed by Dep. Mayor Daniel Doctoroff, said nothing about the schools being contingent on state funding. A source in the mayor’s office told Downtown Express that the two schools were chosen to pressure Silver to deliver the funds.

    “We were just very frustrated that this whole debacle even had to happen and had to put parents and families through these anxious months and days,” said Community Board 1 chairperson Julie Menin.

    Some people Downtown, however, were simply pleased to see an end to the political brouhaha. “Yay! I am very, very happy,” said P.S. 234 principal Sandy Bridges. With the annex slated to open in the fall of 2007, Bridges says that the science room will only close for one school year. “There’s light at the end of the tunnel for us.”

    Construction on the Beekman school and the Frank-Gehry-designed residential building was supposed to have begun in April and the school opening is scheduled for 2008, but developer Bruce Ratner has not yet released renderings of the building.

    @ Downtown Express is published by Community Media LLC.

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    Well that is certanly great news. But why doesnt he just release those damn renderings already?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynRider
    Well, we did hear from a neighbor of the project further back in this thread and that person said negotiations with Ratner had been rather productive and that there was not widespread opposition to the building. So, hold fire on NIMBYs.
    We at 140 Nassau have heard most recently that work on the Beekman tower is to begin in July, 2006. Somehow, the date has been moved back about two months every two months or so since last October. Our biggest fear now is that Ratner will bail on the project and sell out to another developer who will not be bound by our agreement vis a vis the 70' set back. But, it appears that with the school problem settled they are targeting mid-summer to begin the dig. They have done a few test digs in the last couple of weeks, which have since been refilled, so maybe that's an indication of something.

    The one controversy I am aware of that might cause a problem are the caryatid sculptures perched on the cornice of 150 Nassau. These are cumbling and are in danger of dropping of the building. It is my understanding that the city has cited the building for them but that the newly elected board for 150 has the bright idea of trying to force Ratner to pay for the repairs on the theory that his construction will cause them to fall.

    140 has actually written to 150 pointing out that Ratner cannot be at fault if the city has already cited them, but they do not appear willing to assume the burden/responsibility for these repairs themselves. Considering what we have paid with our mere 40 units to reface and repoint 140, they ought to be able to manage this much less expensive repair with their 100 or so units, but this new board is much less enlightened than the one that little over a year ago joined us in working our the original agreement.

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    caryatid sculptures
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    Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "caryatid"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbh51
    We at 140 Nassau have heard most recently that work on the Beekman tower is to begin in July, 2006. Somehow, the date has been moved back about two months every two months or so since last October. Our biggest fear now is that Ratner will bail on the project and sell out to another developer who will not be bound by our agreement vis a vis the 70' set back. But, it appears that with the school problem settled they are targeting mid-summer to begin the dig. They have done a few test digs in the last couple of weeks, which have since been refilled, so maybe that's an indication of something.

    The one controversy I am aware of that might cause a problem are the caryatid sculptures perched on the cornice of 150 Nassau. These are cumbling and are in danger of dropping of the building. It is my understanding that the city has cited the building for them but that the newly elected board for 150 has the bright idea of trying to force Ratner to pay for the repairs on the theory that his construction will cause them to fall.

    140 has actually written to 150 pointing out that Ratner cannot be at fault if the city has already cited them, but they do not appear willing to assume the burden/responsibility for these repairs themselves. Considering what we have paid with our mere 40 units to reface and repoint 140, they ought to be able to manage this much less expensive repair with their 100 or so units, but this new board is much less enlightened than the one that little over a year ago joined us in working our the original agreement.

    pbh
    Aha! Thanks for the inside scoop... So it is schedule for July then.

    Hopefully those caryatid sculptures problem are fix by then.

    I also hope that now that the Condo boom sales seems to be slowing down a little that this would not affect the decision on building this tall tower. Please Ratner create your vision on this eyesore lot. You can make it happen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentPandaesq
    Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "caryatid"?
    A caryatid is a column in the form of a person.

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    "I also hope that now that the Condo boom sales seems to be slowing down a little that this would not affect the decision on building this tall tower"

    I agree with that this guy is taking way too long to go ahead with this. He waits long enough he's gonna miss out on the boom.

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    If Ratner is contractually obligated to build the school for the City, how could he simply stall this project due to alleged pre-occupation with other projects?

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    Lack of Funding - Dismal Market Forecasts - Outright Default

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    DOWNTOWN TOWER PLAN


    By Lois Weiss

    May 23, 2006 -- THE Frank Gehry-designed project that Forest City Ratner is developing on the NYU Beekman Downtown Hospital parking lot is starting to shape up.

    The tower's just-revealed 876-foot height will top off as the tallest City Hall area structure - yes, taller than the nearby venerable 792-foot Woolworth Building. Nevertheless, despite earlier reports, it will be shorter than all the new buildings at ground zero.

    It will be taller, however, than the 740-foot Goldman Sachs headquarters being designed by Pei Cobb Freed & Partners at the World Financial Center in Battery Park City.

    Plans just refiled with the Dept. of Buildings call for a 75-story building with residences above a new public school whose funding has been in doubt.

    The 1.147-million foot project is being built in the middle of the block bounded on three sides by Nassau, Beekman, Spruce and Gold Streets. For all you development junkies out there, you can follow its progress on the DOB Web site with an 8 Spruce St. address.

    The most intriguing nugget is a triplex unit at the top that will become one of the highest residences in the city. While it will share part of the 72nd floor with two other units, it will encompass the entire 73rd and 74th floors as well.

    You can be sure its eventual price and occupant - Bruce Ratner or not - will end up being widely reported in the coming years.

    These residences will all have unobstructed views of City Hall - and should we dare to say it - likely cast shadows on the park during a brief portion of some days.

    Along with lobbies for each use, the first four floors host a school cafeteria, classrooms, a gymnasium and a library.

    Medical offices for the hospital next door take up the fifth floor. The sixth is reserved for mechanicals such as the elevators. But above it is a pool on a building setback on the seventh floor, along with two community rooms for 150 people each.

    The midsection includes what will likely be smaller luxury rental apartments - between 17 to 19 units per floor.

    Starting at the 37th floor, the sprawling condos take over with eight per floor. At the 44th floor, the count changes to four apartments, plus a gym and community room - which does not really mean open to anyone but the condo community. There are five units per floor from the 49th through 70th floors, three on 71 and then two plus the bottom of that triplex on 72.

    Although no renderings have been released, it is likely that the top will taper gradually and that, unlike the uptown Trump World Tower, the upper floors won't be the same size as the lower ones.

    Gehry's spirited and wavy designs are slowly taking shape as buildable ones for Forest City's other huge project in Brooklyn for the Nets and Atlantic Yards.

    A Forest City spokesperson was unaware of the details and had no comment.

    Carol Willis, director of the Skyscraper Museum, said, "I'm certainly curious to see it because I'm sure it will be a tower with personality, and I would welcome that on the skyline."

    Copyright 2006 NYP Holdings, Inc.

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