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Thread: 8 Spruce Street - Beekman Tower - by Frank Gehry

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    Quote Originally Posted by grossglockner View Post
    I found the website that somebody posted above, but am a little confused. Is this the website from Curbed? Or is this truly the website of 200 Beekman Street?

    Tim Macking - CCNA - Visiting NYC...For now...
    Reminds me of the Hearst building. Looks like a turd. Not impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grossglockner View Post
    I found the website that somebody posted above, but am a little confused. Is this the website from Curbed? Or is this truly the website of 200 Beekman Street?

    Tim Macking - CCNA - Visiting NYC...For now...
    That's an old version. The final should be posted elsewhere in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virtualchoirboy View Post
    Looks like a turd.
    You must gotya some shiney sh!t ... don't that hurt

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    The building permit (8 spruce st) now says 68 stories/815 feet, and 650 units. Originally 74/876/666.

    I wonder what that is about, and if there is a design change.

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    No way would they keep anything at 666.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfenn1117 View Post
    The building permit (8 spruce st) now says 68 stories/815 feet, and 650 units. Originally 74/876/666.

    I wonder what that is about, and if there is a design change.
    The earliest permit from 1/11/06 has two heights: 68 and 74 floors. It's only a "partial building permit."

    All nine subsequent permits have 74 floors/876 feet.

    Ratner has been quoted in many, many sources (including the NY Times over the weekend) confirming the 74 floor height.

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    When it was first issued, though, there was no mention of 68 stories. It had the 74 number.

    I didn't know there was an article in the NYT last weekend. Can you find it online?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfenn1117 View Post
    When it was first issued, though, there was no mention of 68 stories. It had the 74 number.

    I didn't know there was an article in the NYT last weekend. Can you find it online?
    The DOB enters permits electronically as soon as they become available. When a change is necessary from an earlier permit, the applicant is supposed to submit a completely new permit form.

    Any changes to the building should therefore be recorded as a new permit, rather than a change to an earlier, existing permit.

    The NY Times article was on Sunday. Is was about an adjacent historic structure but they mentioned the Gehry building at the end of the article. I will post it when I find it.

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    Here it is -- Gehry / Beekman is mentioned at the end ...

    So You Think the Empire State Is a Tall Building?
    SKYSCRAPER The Morse Building,
    at Nassau and Beekman Streets,
    as it looked in 1893.

    Streetscapes | 140 Nassau Street
    August 20, 2006

    IT’S as lost as Hansel and Gretel in the forest of taller buildings east of City Hall Park, but the diminutive Morse Building, at 140 Nassau Street, was once one of the tallest in the city, all 10 stories of it. The advent of the elevator allowed architects to build buildings far higher than the old walk-up limits of five or six floors, and the 1870’s saw the first flowering of those taller buildings.

    Height measurements of such structures are tricky and subject to multiple qualifications, and ornamental towers or other features often muddy the picture. But a tally published in The Real Estate Record & Guide indicated that the nearby New York Tribune and Western Union Buildings (both demolished) were the tallest in the city in 1879, both listed as 170 feet high, although that excluded their clock towers.

    Into this picture came G. Livingston Morse and Sidney E. Morse, nephews of the inventor Samuel F. B. Morse. They owned property at Nassau and Beekman Streets, and in 1878 they began what became, at 146 feet, one of the tallest buildings in New York.

    In 1879, Carpentry and Building magazine said, “This one outstrips them all,” with the “highest sheer brick wall” in the city. Both the Tribune and the Western Union Buildings tapered back on higher floors.

    The magazine considered Silliman & Farnsworth’s design properly apologetic as to altitude, keeping “the horizontal lines as strongly marked as possible, in order to overcome as much as might be the excessive height to which the building was obliged to be carried.”

    In fact, the completed Morse Building looked like two or three warehouses stacked on top of one another.

    In 1879, The Real Estate Record & Guide said that “the immense pile of masonry has attracted the attention of thousands of pedestrians” who watched the construction of the building, which cost $178,000.

    In 1881, the journal praised the rounded Romanesque-style arches and the Victorian Gothic contrast of the red and black brick. But it said that the lack of a separate tower or other feature “is of course the misfortune of the building, and not the fault of the architects,” who had suggested a “steep roof,” probably a mansard.

    The Morse Building seemed to serve as an incubator for a variety of enterprises. The New York Canoe Club was a tenant, and it was at its headquarters there, The New York Times reported in 1881, that an unnamed inventor showed off a sort of super canoe, the 17-foot-long Devastation.

    It weighed only four and a half pounds empty, but was provisioned with dishes, hard-rubber goblets, two saucepans, an ice cream freezer, electric lamps, an eggbeater and a sewing machine. The Times referred to a pending South Atlantic cruise, with a cargo of “800 copies of Whateley’s Elements of Logic, to be distributed gratis among the Zulus,” but it is not clear if that ever occurred.

    In 1892, The Times reported that the Multiple Speed and Traction Company had taken offices in the Morse Building to market its “endless traveling sidewalk.” Express sections moved at 6 miles an hour, local sections at 3.

    But the most important of the early tenants was the American Vitagraph Company, which in 1898 created a motion picture studio on the roof, at a time when indoor filming was still extremely difficult. One early production, appropriately enough, was “The Burglar on the Roof.” Another was “Tearing Down the Spanish Flag,” apropos of the Spanish-American War.

    The studio moved out of the Morse Building in 1903.

    Digitized versions of some of the Vitagraph productions are posted at the Library of Congress Web site at Entering “Vitagraph” as a search term will retrieve titles like “Maude’s Naughty Little Brother, or Wouldn’t It Jar You?” in which the brother plays a practical joke on his sister’s gentleman caller.

    In 1900, the building was sold, and the new owner removed the top two floors and added six, rebuilding the bottom two floors in a plain-vanilla classical style.

    The remodeling left the building drained of much of its original vitality — it resembles a torture victim who has just been released from a session on the rack, attenuated at the top and bottom.

    But there is still plenty of virtuoso masonry on display on the six original floors, like the staccato effect of alternating black and red masonry on the arches, and the upright rows of bricks tilted to one side, like fallen dominoes.
    Gradually hemmed in by taller and taller structures, this early skyscraper has remained obscure in part because of the alteration. There is not much to call it out from the little copse of other early tall structures that surround it, like Silliman & Farnsworth’s charmingly awkward Temple Court of 1883 across the intersection.

    But the Landmarks Preservation Commission has decided to bring the Morse Building out of the footnotes and will probably consider designating it on Sept. 7.

    Hiroko Masuike for The New York Times
    The Morse Building as it looks now.

    Hiroko Masuike for The New York Times
    At 10 stories, it was once one of
    New York City’s tallest buildings.
    One distinctive feature that has
    survived the decades is the
    alternating red and black
    brickwork above the windows.

    In 1980, the building was converted to co-op apartments. Will Cosby, the board president, said the co-op proposed the idea to the landmarks commission several years ago.

    Apartment owners are nervous about pending development on the parking lot east of the building. That project has now become a mixed-use tower designed by Frank Gehry for Forest City Ratner Properties. Joyce Baumgarten, a spokeswoman for Forest City, said that work would begin this fall on the new 75-story building. At 860 feet, it will tower over the Morse Building and its little chapter in the history of the skyscraper.

    Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

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    I think they cut off a few floors. This article from the Sun reports...

    "A partial building permit was issued last week for a 68-story building with 650 units, designed by architect Frank Gehry and developed by Forest City Ratner, planned to the east of ground zero at 200 Beekman St. At more than 800 feet, it will be one of the city's tallest residential buildings."

    Here's the permit. It's the same link that provided the 74 story, 876 feet figures.

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    So it will be the same height as Chase Manhattan bank about?

  13. #883


    Quote Originally Posted by PHLguy View Post
    So it will be the same height as Chase Manhattan bank about?
    It should be taller, the size height and impact will be very similar to the Trump World Tower.

  14. #884


    This is good news. The lot across from the Beekman Tower is an eyesore. I hope that Resnick also owns the adjacent parking garage.

    Hospitality's Outlook Couldn't Be Rosier

    August 31, 2006

    Over the next year and a half, thousands of individuals will be visiting New York and trying to find a hotel room. They're in for some good news: During that time we can expect close to 5,000 new rooms in New York City — about 4,000 of those will come on line in Manhattan.... A number of new developments are planned for lower Manhattan including .... the Jack Resnick & Company site on the corner of Beekman and William streets directly across from the Forest City Ratner site. It boasts 68 new stories on the parking lot adjacent to New York Downtown Hospital.

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    (Tribeca Trib)

    New 76-Story Tower Raising Concerns

    By Etta Sanders
    SEPT. 1, 2006

    Next month Forest City Ratner will begin excavation for an 876-foot-tall apartment tower, designed by architect Frank Gehry, that will be Downtown’s largest construction project after the Freedom Tower—nearly 100 feet taller than the Woolworth Building.

    The 76-story building, which is to include a new kindergarten-through-8th-grade school and a 25,000-square-foot outpatient facility for New York Downtown Hospital, will be built on what is now a parking lot bordered by Spruce and Beekman Streets. Construction may take as long as five years and require months of pounding pile-driving, according to several people who have attended meetings with the developer.

    That has neighboring residents, businesses, and Pace University worried.

    “There is a high level of concern about what six months of pile driving and five years of construction work will mean,” said David Cooper, a resident at 150 Nassau Street, whose second-floor apartment overlooks the hospital parking lot.

    Forest City Ratner laid out the most detailed plans to date at a meeting on Aug. 17 with so-called “stakeholders” in the project, including Pace University, New York Downtown Hospital, residents of 140 and 150 Nassau Street and Southbridge Towers, Charles Maikish, head of the Lower Manhattan Construction Command Center, and representatives of Community Board 1.

    Three months of pile driving is scheduled to start by next February. The developer promised to reduce the noise by using an acoustical shroud over the pile drivers, according to people who attended the meeting. Work hours will be weekdays from 7 a.m. until 6 p.m.

    The developer will describe the project and answer questions at a public meeting sponsored by CB1 on Sept. 14 at Pace University. A spokeswoman for the developer declined to respond to questions about the project.

    Pace University classrooms and dormitories border the site along Spruce Street. “We’re very concerned, as we have been since we heard about this project, about the safety and security of the Pace community throughout construction,” said Meghan French, director of community relations for the university.

    After the meeting, French said she was pleased that the developer seemed open to working with the university to minimize disruption to school events.

    Dr. Bruce Logan, president of New York Downtown Hospital, which sold the property to Forest City Ratner, said the impacts on the hospital from construction should be minimal because patient and operating rooms face Gold Street. The hospital’s new emergency room, which opens this month, will also be on Gold Street. Previously the emergency room faced the parking lot.

    “I think they’re going to do everything they can to make sure it doesn’t disrupt our activities,” Logan said.

    At 140 Nassau Street, residents are concerned that pile driving will damage the 1880s building, which shares a lot line with the development.

    “A large amount of vibration will affect a building made of bricks and mortar more than a building with a steel frame,” said Will Cosby, the co-op president. “Mortar chips and breaks.”

    The residents have hired a consultant to monitor effects from the construction and are currently measuring background vibration. And there are other concerns.

    “It’s the noise, the dust, the vibration,” Cosby said. “They’re digging a really big hole.”

    Cooper, at 150 Nassau Street, said he had mixed feelings about how the huge new building will affect the neighborhood when it is completed. “A project that size seems out of character with the historic architecture of the neighborhood,” he said. “But I’m hopeful that over the long term the infusion of young families will bring residential amenities.”

    French, of Pace University, agreed. “It’s definitely going to change the neighborhood,” she said.


    New Schools Delayed, New Residents Not

    By Etta Sanders
    SEPT. 1, 2006

    In the race between more apartments and more classrooms in Lower Manhattan, the classrooms are losing.

    Opening of both the new kindergarten-through-8th-grade school on Beekman Street and the P.S. 234 annex will be delayed at least a year, according to the Department of Education (DOE). The annex, which will have six to eight classrooms and will be located in a building on the west side of the school, is scheduled to open in the fall of 2008. The 600-seat Beekman Street school is now due to open September 2009.

    “The schedule is different from originally anticipated because of funding delays,” DOE spokeswoman Marge Feinberg said in an e-mail.

    The delays are the result of a budget maneuver in the spring by Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who withheld promised appropriations for these and other city schools in order to get state legislators to release state funds owed to the city for school construction.

    While the school openings have been delayed, occupancy of thousands of new residences throughout Tribeca and the Financial District is forging ahead.
    Families will be moving into three of the largest Tribeca developments, at 200 Chambers St., 101 Warren St., and 88 Leonard St.—almost 1,000 apartments— before any new classrooms are ready.

    With P.S. 234 already over capacity, that means the school’s population will likely swell in 2007. “I expect class size to go up dramatically,” said Kevin Doherty, P.S. 234’s PTA president.

    The P.S. 234 annex will be in a new residential tower at 200 Chambers St., now nearly complete. Eighty percent of the 258 condos have already been sold, according to Cory Walter, the building’s sales director. The first residents will move into the lower floors in December. And the location is definitely attracting families, Walter said.

    “Tribeca is very well known for being a family-oriented area. There’s a reason we put in a four-foot-deep swimming pool and a children’s playroom,” Walter said. “Certainly a large attraction is the strong reputation of P.S. 234.”

    Residents are expected to begin moving into a nearly 400-unit complex at 101 Warren Street (formerly Site 5B), across the street from P.S. 234, by late next year.

    An agreement between Deputy Mayor Daniel Doctoroff and Councilman Alan Gerson stated that the city would use “reasonable efforts to complete the building of the [Beekman Street] school by the date the residential units on site 5B are occupied.”

    Residents are expected to begin moving into those buildings by late next year. The school is scheduled to open in the fall of 2009.

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