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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninjahedge View Post
    It's a mall.
    It really makes me wonder what the Meadowlands is trying to be. I mean, not how we now see it, but what they envision for it...and then I wonder why they bother (no offense Bergenites)

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    Thumbs up Trump to take over Meadowlands Golf Course Over

    Trump takes over golf, housing plan for Meadowlands

    Thursday, November 08, 2007
    By JUDY DeHAVEN
    NEWHOUSE NEWS SERVICE

    Real estate developer and casino boss Donald Trump said yesterday he has inked a deal to rescue the troubled EnCap development project in the Meadowlands.

    Trump will now hire a master developer, but he said he already envisions a world-class golf course designed by golf course architect Tom Fazio - akin to the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster - as well as residential housing, open space and perhaps a hotel.

    "I look forward to working on the development," Trump said yesterday, hours after signing the agreement. "When completed, it will be one of the finest of its kind anywhere in the world."

    The deal is a major step forward for a project long stalled amid financial difficulties. Developers had hoped to replace dumps in the Meadowlands with two golf courses and luxury housing. But it quickly became mired in debt. The New Jersey Meadowlands Commission declared Encap in default in May.

    The project's 785-acre footprint includes portions of Kearny, Rutherford, Lyndhurst and North Arlington - and called for two golf course and 2,000 residences. One of the golf courses in the plan would have been in Kearny.

    But Trump said he will scrap those plans and start fresh.

    "I'd rather do one great championship course than two mediocre or lesser ones," he said.

    Within the next 120 days, Trump said, he will get a recommendation from three master planners now evaluating the property. He said he is looking at anywhere "from a $5-10 billion project, depending on what we come up with."

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    ^ Trump....Geeze. >_> Didn't actually realize there was going to be a golf course center at Meadowlands. (But why did it have to be Trump although, not really surprise.)

    Quote Originally Posted by 66nexus View Post
    It really makes me wonder what the Meadowlands is trying to be. I mean, not how we now see it, but what they envision for it...and then I wonder why they bother (no offense Bergenites)
    None taken. ^_^ Haha.

    Their vision for Xanadu is to make it a tourist destination. The first indoor ski slope in the U.S. Largest movie theater in the country. Live cooking demonstration show. An indoor car racing track. A bowling alley... But yeah, part of it is still a mall. They believe that by having a ferris wheel next to the building, it will not be defined as a "mall". I don't quite get that as having ferris wheels next to a shopping center is very common in Asia.
    Example: These Chinese tourists are in Japan which is the ferris wheel capital of the world. So pretty... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy2AH8q6TJw

    And I'm still hoping for the Xanadu ferris wheel. Although, I'm not quite use to thinking of how it is going to be modeled after the British wheel. Can't really imagine more than 15 people per cart as oppose to the four-five person seater cart that I'm use to.

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    Arrow Codey Rips Xanadu

    Xanadu no pleasure to behold, Codey complains of complex
    Sports authority defends design Senate leader calls 'yucky-looking'


    Thursday, February 14, 2008
    BY MAURA McDERMOTT
    Star-Ledger Staff

    Architect David Rockwell promised the $2 billion Xanadu complex's colored exterior, indoor ski slope and Ferris wheel would "create its own skyline."

    Well, it has. And state Senate President Richard Codey (D-Essex) doesn't like it one bit. The former governor criticized Xanadu yesterday, saying the "yucky-looking" complex rising along the New Jersey Turnpike has drawn complaints from passers-by.

    "People say to me, 'Hey, Gov, I drove by the Meadowlands -- what the hell is that thing?'" Codey said. "You say to yourself, is this the sports authority or is it Coney Island or the old Asbury Park, or is this some mall?"

    Xanadu is set to open at the Meadowlands Sports Complex in November, with a ski slope, skydiving wind tunnels and nearly 50 football fields' worth of storefronts. Its exterior boasts blue-and-white rectangular boxes as well as pink-and-orange stripes.

    "It's a work in progress by a distinguished and acclaimed architect," said Lloyd Kaplan, a spokesman for the development. "We think most people will find the finished development attractive, delightful and a positive contribution to the Meadowlands and the metropolitan region."

    Rockwell designed the Kodak Theatre in Hollywood as well as two W Hotels in New York City.


    Codey also yesterday criticized Xanadu for not signing up tenants faster. The complex has signed leases for about one-third of its space, according to a report last month by lead developer Colony Capital. The developer said "serious negotiations" are under way for 95 percent of the complex.

    One of the original developers, the Mills Corp., sold its stake to Colony in 2006 after sustaining heavy financial losses on it.

    "Pretty soon we would have to start calling this thing 'the mistake at the Meadowlands,'" Codey said.

    George Zoffinger, who was the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority's chief executive when Xanadu was approved, said the project will benefit the state.

    "Once again, Dick Codey misses the point," Zoffinger said. "There are 20,000 jobs being created by this facility for people who need the work."

    Zoffinger added, in a shot at his longtime adversary, "People driving down the Turnpike will be a lot more concerned about the tolls they're paying than what Xanadu looks like."

    Codey has suggested discounts on Gov. Jon Corzine's proposed toll hikes.

    Zoffinger's successor, Dennis Robinson, also spoke up for Xanadu.

    "I think it's premature to judge it when we haven't even opened the doors," Robinson said. "We think it's going to be a tremendous addition to the sports complex."

    Staff writer Maura McDermott may be reached at (973) 392-7964 or

    mmcdermott@starledger.com.

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    Its exterior boasts blue-and-white rectangular boxes as well as pink-and-orange stripes.
    Yikes. That does sound yucky.

    Zoffinger added, in a shot at his longtime adversary, "People driving down the Turnpike will be a lot more concerned about the tolls they're paying than what Xanadu looks like."
    They can and should be worried about both.

    This thing could have been a tremendous addition to the sports complex AND looked great. Now it's just one more gigantic hunk of ugly plopped on New Jersey alongside the turnpike. In a long history of ugly. The landscape of the "garden" state along the turnpike looks like it has suffered a catastrophe. It must have been a pretty state at one time(especially the unmolested wetlands); I'm sure it still is in places, but all along the turnpike it's a post-industrial poop hole. They just made it worse.

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    a link to the main rendering... the final product that is built so far looks pretty accurate compared to this:

    http://www.meadowlandsxanadu.com/ste...ets/056910.jpg

    dont know why they thought it would look good.

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    Looks like a giant bowling alley.



    The whole idea of an indoor SKI SLOPE was a tremendous waste of $$ in my opinion. If you want a crappy little crowded slope, there are plenty of ski resorts around NYC that give you just that. Mountain Creek being one of them!

    Why do we need this? Who thought that that would bring in more revenue and make more people happy?

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    There's going to be a Cabela's? I love that store.

    I guess I'm ambivalent about this Xanadu, at least for now. I don't think it helps or hurts anything much. I'm sort of glad all that concrete and pavement that usually sits dorment will actually be usefull year round. There will be a train stop there, which reduces some traffic. It may not be my cup of tea, but it's hard to believe that drivers on the turnpike are so offended by the gaudy, clashing colors when otherwise mile after mile they are bombarded with environmental raping. Really, this is so offensive? Why not complain about the tires and fallen powerlines that haven't been dredged from the wetlands for decades. People once drove by a vast parking lot and now it will be an entertainment spectacle. Whatever. I don't care if people want to actually pay to ski a 200' ski slope, nor do I care if people shop in a giant suburban mall. Neither affects me. Time will tell how successful it is.

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    Have you been on the TP/Parkway recently NYK?

    It is interesting to see the wetlands "reclaiming" a lot of the stuff that was once there. I see old power towers and the like slowly rusting away and being claimed by the reeds. You can even kayack around them if you want, although I would still wash afterwards!!! (some garbage clumps still remain).


    The worst parts are still the shipping depos and stuff. Semi trailers stacked 6-10 high out in teh middle of a flat wetland are not a good statement no matter what you are looking at.

    But, still, you would think that maybe they would try for something a bit more modern and reserved OR a bit more rustic? I think the mall would look MUCH better as a faux-frontier type setup. Ski-lodgey would probably suit it for its environment, if not for its neighbors. But this 1950's layout and 1960's paint job make it look like something that is trying to be something it really can't be.

    What that is, I am just not sure, but it does not make me think "entertainment" or even "mall". It makes me think "warehouse" or "cheap midwestern toursit attraction".

    Too late now to say anything about it, but it is still disappointing.

    As for "people on the turnpike" and all this crap about tolls, what about the thousands of us that travel along route 3 into the city? (I have family in the Burbs!). You think everyone that is voicing concerns are riding the pike?

    And that classic line "People driving down the Turnpike will be a lot more concerned about the tolls they're paying than what Xanadu looks like." is just that. A line. Like MTG said, I think most people can be concerned about more than one thing at a time... :P

    Oh, don't you love this?:

    "It's a work in progress by a distinguished and acclaimed architect,"

    Geez. We all know that a 5 star chef can never serve shoot on a shingle, how could a "distinguished and acclaimed" architect, who is so distinguished that he seems to have forgotten their name, produce anything but an ABBA paradise in the NJ wetlands of the NJTP?

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    right now, probably not so good..but let's wait for the whole project to be finished. (the office towers, the hotel towers), Even though the design is somewhat Coney Island-ish, I sure think it is better than a muddy dead marshland area that was surrounded all sides by an abysmal parking lot.

    just my 2 cents.

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    SO long as tehre is no dumping in the marsh, it is not that bad. It was when there was raw sewerage and industrial waste in there that it was at its worst.


    The parking lot? Yeah. That's NJ for you! (Hell, that is most of the US for you!!)

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    it will be interesting to see how the new meadowlands stadium fits in with the look of xanadu in a few years.

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    I can't understand why such a dreary/marshy place is so revered by this state. I know it's close to NY but aren't there other, more desirable places that are just as close to NY if not closer?

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    Arrow My take..

    Sameway Florida revers Everglades and New Jersey revers the Pine Barrens for their natural wonder, the Meadowlands are revered because it is a large swath of wetlands outside major cities and the industrial heritage of it is almost boggling and its just amazing that it is still capable of turning around. The Meadowlands has been abused since colonial times and they are trying to salvage it and turn it around.

    Most major costal cities were built on landfill that filled in former wetlands such as major parts of Boston, parts of NYC, parts JC, D.C., parts of Baltimore, etc.. They were filled in because wetlands around the turn of the 20th century was looked as natural blight and wasn't appreciated and wasn't understood as natural flood prevention.

    The New Jersey Meadowlands was attempted to be filled in over and over over the last century. The Meadowlands use to be a vast white ceder forrest/wetland that was cut down and used for building of homes, churches, etc.. during the colonial period in NY and NJ. Stump of those trees can still be seen in some areas at low tide. Then there huge attempts to drain it and build on it, but those were unsucessful because of the strong river currents. There use to be bid in newspapers in the late 19th and early 20th century to buy acerage to drain and build on it. Like it said it was looked as natural blight for many reasons but one of the many was that mosquitos nested there and they carried maliria.

    The Meadowlands is just a record history of what the civilization of the NY/NJ area has done over the last couple hundred years to the wetlands. At one point an idea was floated that was the first idea before the Sport Complex, was to build a giant city over the entire Meadowlands for NJ to have a brand new city that would rival NYC. That never happened obviously, but the next proposal was sports and entertainment on a much much smaller parcel of land.

    Now people are realizing how important the Meadowlands are and are working to reverse hundreds of years of abuse and neglect. Flopdgates are being repaired, landfills are being capped and turned into golf courses, large sections have been rehabbed and declared perserves and open space and parks; more are still to come, and there is even and enviormental center and kyaking tours rpmoting eco tourism. The Meadowlands are coming back with the most wildlife seen there in many decades.

    On the Xanadu, I will wait to judge it for myself when its finished. I've been to 8 NJ Nets games this year and have seen my air share of it u/c. I think this will add to more of a 24/7 atmosphere there. There will be an indoor ski slope, ferris wheel, f1 sponsored cart track, an entertainment area with clubs, bars, etc., fashion district with fashion shows, etc.....Couple all that with a on site hotel, two Class A office buildings, a new minor league ballpark for the Bergen Cliffhawks, and the Izod Center which will be configured somehow most likely just strictly as a performance venue once my Nets depart for whereever the hell they are going. Couple all that with the train staion, new Meadowlands Stadium and Racetrack and new development on Paterson Plank Road, it really should do very and make the Sports Complex into a Sports and truly Entertainment Complex.

    Here are renderings of what the Xanadu and Meadowlands Stadium will look compared to each other:




    Last edited by JCMAN320; February 15th, 2008 at 07:34 PM. Reason: Clarification

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    LOL, this has nothing to do with the Meadowlands being "revered". Nobody would compare the Meadowlands to the Everglades. It isn't even NIMBYism; it's just politicans doing their thing.

    Dick Codey (the politician criticizing the development) was a big supporter of the alternative development plan (which was, BTW, even bigger), so he's mad that his megadevelopment wasn't selected.

    He's been complaining about the project since day one.

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