Reply With QuoteCamden is in NJ as well, does that mean diddly squat? Nope, same goes for this comment.Originally Posted by STT757
Camden is in NJ as well, does that mean diddly squat? Nope, same goes for this comment.
Enough.
You're still missing the fundamental issue - people do not want to physically locate themselves in Newark for even a 3 hour period. The place is a hole. Refurbing a train station and building an arena gives you a hole with a refurbed train station and new arena. The area needs to draw the arena, not vice versa.
By the way, you should educate yourself re Oklahoma City - it's no accident or stroke of luck that they landed a team.
So is Princeton, the most prestigious University in the United States. What it means is New Jersey is a small state (third smallest in the Nation) however it is also the 2nd wealthiest (was #1 last year, Wall Street troubles knocked it down). A 10 minute drive from downtown Newark is some of New Jersey's wealthiest communities, and several major corporations.
Ratner is hoping to lure Long Islanders to Downtown Brooklyn to fill those expensive seats, not locals. The Prudential Center in Newark draws fans from the nearby Wealthy communities, not locals. Newark has better highway access compared to Brooklyn , highways in Brooklyn are a joke. I went to the Mets vs Braves game last week, it took 1:10 minutes to drive from the Verranzano Bridge to the Grand Central Parkway.
I still think the Nets will move to Newark.
Why would they drive if the LIRR goes right to the arena. You'll never get sympathy from anyone that its hard to drive around NYC.
Maybe someone can explain why an NBA team can't make it in Newark, but an NHL team can.
And the NHL team does it as the only anchor tenant, while both teams would split arena operating expenses.
Whether or not a team "can make it" is not the proper arbiter.
Any team in the NYC area could "make it" in Newark but that doesn't mean putting them there makes more sense than putting them in Brooklyn.
So as long as it's now been determined that an NBA team can "make it" in Newark, and we can put that silly argument to rest; how does it make more sense to put the team in Brooklyn with...
No other franchise to share arena operation.
No arena for them to move into.
A proposed arena with shaky financing.
You're only considering one side of the analysis. Higher benefit justifies higher cost. You're question actually begs the answer. Why not take the easier option? Because the harder option is so much more desirable.
No, I've considered both sides. You haven't.
Municipal investments in sports facilities have consistently been shown to be poor choices when correctly compared to alternate uses for the funds. The number and quality of jobs provided are poor. The city doesn't make much on its investment; the ownership does.
YS over 80 years in the South Bronx has done nothing for the neighborhood.
MSG over 40 years in Midtown - ditto.
The fact that the arena in Newark is already built and can operate more efficiently with two franchises removes the negative aspect of tying up public funds.
Ratner has been exploiting Brooklyn for a long time with much success. I think he felt that bringing a professional sports team back to Brooklyn would generate a grooundswell of support. That support would generate generous tax breaks and low-interest government loans. He would never even consider building an arena, if it didn't include office space and/or housing.
It was never about a sports team. It was about money and generating support for a hare-brained scheme to create a monstrous mega-development in the heart of Brooklyn. Markowitz was the biggest cheerleader. He was so far off the mark that he keeps his mouth shut on all this "Atlantic Yards." He's re-learning that lesson in Coney Island, where no one wants his crappy amphitheater either.
So then we get the arena by exploiting Ratner. This project is great for further positive growth in the boro. It is a fabulous dot to the exclamation point that starts at the foot of the Manhattan Bridge where we have the resurgance of downtown BK. I don't know how people can't get excited about this, and opposing it is just stunning.
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-not-brooklyn/MAY 18, 2009, 5:32 PM
Bradley Wants Nets to Play in Newark, Not Brooklyn
By JOE BRESCIA
Add Bill Bradley, the former Knicks star and United States senator from New Jersey, to the list of skeptics regarding the planned 18,000-seat basketball arena that is to be a centerpiece of the Atlantic Yards development near downtown Brooklyn.
Mr. Bradley, who sought the Democratic nomination for president in 2000, said in a recent interview that he supports efforts by Mayor Cory A. Booker of Newark to lure a professional sports team there. Mr. Bradley believes that the Nets, which currently play in the Izod Center in East Rutherford, N.J., can play in the Prudential Arena, the home of the Devils.
The former senator noted that the controversial Atlantic Yards project — which would include apartments, offices, stores along with the arena — has been delayed as a result of the economic downturn.
“Maybe it takes something like that to bring people to their senses,” Mr. Bradley said about the stalled Brooklyn project. “They don’t belong in Brooklyn. They belong in New Jersey. They belong here.”
The developer Bruce C. Ratner, who is behind the Atlantic Yards project, faces a looming deadline to make headway on the project. By the end of the year, he must begin construction of the arena by the end of the year to qualify for tax-exempt bond financing, according to an Internal Revenue Service ruling. To take effect, a 20-year naming-rights deal with Barclay’s, the British bank, also requires him to begin construction of the arena by year’s end.
Mr. Bradley, 65, is now a managing director at Allen & Company, an investment bank in New York. In the interview, he said that he was not interested in returning to basketball in any capacity and that he had no plans to re-enter politics.
Asked if he would accept a government position if President Obama offered him one, Bradley said no. “I’m a fan of President Obama, but I’m happy with what I’m doing now,” he said.
We don't get the arena; Ratner does. He has it locked up for 30 years, with an option to extend it.
I haven't read one post in this thread advocating that AY should not be developed, but that doesn't mean anything that's proposed should be accepted.I don't know how people can't get excited about this, and opposing it is just stunning.
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