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    The slideshow shows the panels a deep rust red, rather than the horrible very-primary China red that is being installed. The rust color would have tied the new buildings into the Barclays Center.

    And have they opted to lose the industrial black framing? If so it's a sorry bit of value engineering that will diminish the design.

    I fear it will all look very disjointed and cheap.


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    It already looks cheap. I am very afraid this will become a giant eyesore.

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    Yes disjointed indeed: Boa constrictor in Lego land. The loss of the rust colored red panels is unfortunate. I wanted to see those 'deep set' window boxes, those black industrial looking frames that create that deep set window box has clearly been VE out of the facade. The idea that they will be "bolted on later" does not seem at all likely given what little I know about prefab construction of curtain walls.

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    This will clarify:

    http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/archives/50757

    "The B2 Tower’s massing remains the same as before, conforming to strict guidelines for setbacks mandated by the Empire State Development Corporation, but the facade treatments for each of the three massing types in the building have been refined. ”When we first started, we were doing a conventional design,” Sharples noted. “We decided to move away from emphasizing the frames or boxes. It doesn’t have to look like a modular building.”"

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSsocal View Post
    This will clarify:

    http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/archives/50757

    "The B2 Tower’s massing remains the same as before, conforming to strict guidelines for setbacks mandated by the Empire State Development Corporation, but the facade treatments for each of the three massing types in the building have been refined. ”When we first started, we were doing a conventional design,” Sharples noted. “We decided to move away from emphasizing the frames or boxes. It doesn’t have to look like a modular building.”"
    Good find. funny thing about that comment by Sharples, is that "moving away" from those framed boxes is what now makes the building "look like a modular building". I am thinking about the NYU Silver Towers deep set 'eye brow' windows by IM pei - they look great. The Atlantic Yards building's original design had something similar to that 'eye brow' affect; this - as built - facade lacks that important depth and texture.

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    Architects must be second only to politicians in the way they spin and twist the ugly truth to justify themselves. Rather than admit, "This hideous 'design' is a result of cheapness/laziness/cerebral deficiency/bad taste" we get this "moving away from conventional design" ... and toward the great, unconventional unknown of the nasty.

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    There are good reasons why the term "bullshit" is so widely used in architecture circles to describe these sorts of abstract, self-serving attempts at logic, especially in architecture school.

    Architecture bullshit generator:

    http://www.ruderal.com/bullshit/bullshit.htm

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    Nice link, you can probably build a full college philosophy program by repeatedly clicking that button

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    Archispeak

    Other disciplines also have their own unique language.

    There's Artspeak, Financespeak.

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    This is true, and I think the only reason it's such an issue with architecture is the fact that we all interact with buildings. It's not hard to avoid art or finance or anything else that has its own language. Thinking about things statistically leads to a different way of speaking that is not always intuitive, but it's clear everyone isn't comfortable with that either.

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    If you want to talk vague language, rumor has it there may be major changes about to take place at Atlantic Yards re: the AoR.

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    The ultra-modern "save lots of money" modular construction scheme at AY is proving to be a disaster, and changes are afoot:

    Slow Start Spurs Shift for Towers Near Arena

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/19/ny...or-towers.html

    The first residential tower at the sprawling Atlantic Yards development near Downtown Brooklyn rises only five of its intended 32 floors nearly a year and a half after construction started, making it one of the slowest-moving projects in a city with an unquenchable thirst for housing ...

    Now the developer is completing a deal to bring in a Chinese partner and the company says it will accelerate construction and will start work later this year on three additional buildings, comprising over 900 apartments.

    But the three new residential towers would be built conventionally, not with the pathbreaking modular, or prefabricated, system that Forest City had said would provide quick delivery and millions of dollars in savings.

    ... Forest City executives said for the first time that they had trouble working out all the kinks ...

    So far, the developer has installed 122 of the 930 modules that make up B2. Half of the 363 apartments are intended for low- and moderate-income tenants. But the completion date has been moved to late 2015, Ms. Gilmartin said, which is more than a year behind the original schedule ...

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    Excerpt from the NY Times article posted below - "The solution to producing high-rise modular buildings came, in part, from the ability to create computerized three-dimensional models that allowed them to test the integrity of the engineering, Christopher Sharples of SHoP Architects said."

    So, who created the "models" and where and why did they go wrong: I had high hopes for this building - guess those hopes have been SHoT down. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by lofter1 View Post
    But the three new residential towers would be built conventionally, not with the pathbreaking modular, or prefabricated, system that Forest City had said would provide quick delivery and millions of dollars in savings.

    Does that mean they have to go back to the drawing board? Wouldn't the engineering behind the modular plans be different for the same building done conventionally?

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