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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnyboy
    Even that creepy statue in spain is better than this ugly thing. Shouldn't they be looking at american archetects instead? Russians don't know how important these memorials are to us. They pobably don't even care about what happend to us on that day giving the bad history between these two nations. Only Americans can feel the pain of these attacks to our nation wich is why we should look at american archetects for 9/11 memorials.
    You're right about the design being terrible, but that was a very stupid post.

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    Sept. 11 memorial 'in limbo'
    Officials can't agree on appropriate site doubts on Grundy Pier
    Friday, September 10, 2004

    By Bonnie Friedman
    Journal staff writer

    With the third anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001 one day away, Jersey City officials say there is still no word as to what will become of the teardrop memorial built as a gift by Russian artist Zurab Tsereteli.

    Mayor Glenn D. Cunningham, who died May 25, was a staunch supporter of the monument, and he had hoped to unveil the 100-foot bronze sculpture on the third anniversary of the attacks. But his death, coupled with a public outcry over the memorial's design, appears to have led to a stalemate.

    "It's in limbo now because of the strong political cycle," said Guy Catrillo, a member of the city's 9/11 Memorial Committee. "And it's just going to sit there until we have someone in an authoritative position."

    A special election will be held in November to elect a mayor to serve out the remaining eight months of Cunningham's term, and then a regular election will be held in May for a full four-year term to begin July 1.

    The monument, called "To the Struggle Against World Terrorism," was slated to be installed at the J. Owen Grundy Pier, directly across the Hudson River from where the World Trade Center once stood.

    But after seeing the design - a giant tear drop suspended in a fissure in a rectangular block - city officials and some members of the community complained that the monument doesn't convey the right sentiments.

    "It doesn't help us heal," said City Councilman Mariano Vega. "It just reminds us more of the tragedy."

    The City Council voted to accept the monument, but it has yet to agree on a site for it and some members are averse to putting it in such a prime location.

    "There is no will from the City Council to put the statue where they want to put it," said Council President and acting Mayor L. Harvey Smith.

    But not everyone on the council opposes the site.

    Councilwoman Mary Donnelly said the pier would be the "perfect spot" for the monument, which she describes as an international symbol.

    "I see it as something that represents friendship between two countries: Russia and the U.S.," Donnelly said.

    The monument is to be a gift paid for by the Russian government.

    Emily Madoff, an attorney representing Tsereteli, said that while her client created the monument to fit the proportions of the pier, he is willing to discuss alternate sites.

    "We feel that the most suitable and logical spot is the Owen Grundy Pier," Madoff said yesterday. "But we're not opposed to meeting with the council."

    As for the opposition, Madoff said the community seems to be overwhelmingly supportive of the work.

    "Everyone who we've talked to seems to like it, so we are making an effort to get those people to speak up," Madoff said.

    Gary Nye, vice chairman of the 9/11 Commission, said the commission selected the work because it represents a universal sentiment.

    "It represents the feeling of the whole planet," Nye said. "Americans were not the only ones to shed a tear, the world shed a tear."

    Madoff said she hopes to have the monument, which now sits in a Moscow foundry, installed by the spring.

    Copyright 2004 The Jersey Journal.

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    His statue of Columbus looks Stalinesqu, very communist totalitarian.

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    Sept. 11 memorial turned down for Jersey City waterfront
    Teardrop sculpture caused controversy

    Monday, February 14, 2005
    By Maria Zingaro Conte
    Journal staff writer

    After more than a year of debating the artistic and social merits of a Sept. 11 memorial offered to the city free of charge, Jersey City officials have turned down an offer to install the 100-foot-tall sculpture on the city's waterfront.

    The roughly nine-story sculpture entitled, "To the Struggle Against World Terrorism," was created by Russian artist Zurab Tsereteli.

    Known informally as the "Tear of Grief" for the 40-foot glass teardrop that hangs from an opening in the center of its rectangular bronze block frame, the piece was slated to be installed at the base of the pier at J. Owen Grundy Park. Nine large steps, inscribed with the names of those who died at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and on American Airlines Flight 93 in Pennsylvania, were to be installed at the monument's base.

    But plans to erect the monument in Jersey City were scrapped last month when City Council President L. Harvey Smith sent a letter to Tsereteli, declining his offer to give the city the monument.

    "I sent a letter to the artist telling him that the sense is that the Jersey City municipal council doesn't want to place the tear where it was planned, so we left it up to him to find another location," Smith said.

    Although the City Council voted to accept the memorial, a separate vote was necessary to give formal approval to its proposed location. But after residents began complaining about the look of the monument and the possibility that it would block views of New York, the issue never made it back on to the council's agenda and the vote never came.

    Questioned over the reason for the letter Smith responded: "There was no sense in hanging on to something, a gift, that we had not intention of using."

    Emily Madoff, an attorney for Tsereteli, declined to comment on the fate of the sculpture, which reportedly had been completed in Russia and was awaiting shipment to the U.S., saying she had been instructed by her client not to discuss the matter with the press.

    According to a source close to Tsereteli, the artist has been scouting other locations up and down Hudson County's waterfront in search of a new home for the sculpture.

    "I do know that they went to Hoboken, Weehawken and North Bergen," the source said, but noted that officials in those communities had not been contacted about the memorial.

    Tsereteli's memorial has been prompting outcry in Jersey City ever since September 2003, when leaders decided the piece would serve as the city's permanent memorial to the victims of the attacks on the World Trade Center.

    Members of Jersey City's artists community and others came out against the sculpture, saying it would block views of the New York City skyline and criticizing its artistic merits, saying the piece had only been selected because the artist was willing to pick up the entire cost of the project.

    Detractors also criticized the selection process. In 2002, the Jersey City 9/11 Memorial Committee was formed to solicit design proposals for a permanent memorial and dozens of submissions were sent to City Hall, but a year later, several of the submitting artists began to complain saying they had not been contacted about their proposals.

    The apparently abrupt selection of Tsereteli's work, prompted many to claim that the competition had been a sham.

    Citing the controversy surrounding the piece, Councilman Mariano Vega said yesterday declining the monument was "the right decision for Jersey City."

    "This was not the place for it and the process for selecting the 9/11 memorial was flawed," he said. "This Russian artist wanted the best real estate in the city for his sculpture."

    Vega pointed out that the city already has a 9/11 memorial at the foot of Grand Street on the waterfront walkway - a black granite monument that lists the names of the 39 Jersey City residents who perished in the attack.

    Vega said he believed Jersey City would hold off on erecting a 9/11 monument for the foreseeable future.

    The state's 9/11 memorial will be built at Liberty State Park and other small memorials have been erected on private properties along the waterfront, he noted.

    Daniel Levin, the president of the Harsimus Cove Association and one of the leaders of the opposition to the Tsereteli memorial said he was pleased by the council's decision.

    "I just hope in the future that we learn that for an undertaking like this, that it should be a full public process and not done in a back room," he said.

    Maria Zingaro Conte can be reached at mzconte@jjournal.com

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    Sept. 11 'teardrop' will land in Bayonne
    'Peninsula' chosen as site for Russian sculptor's memorial

    Tuesday, March 01, 2005
    By Ronald Leir
    Journal staff writer

    A Russian sculptor's controversial vision for a memorial to the victims of the Sept. 11 attacks is being adopted by Bayonne.

    Bayonne Mayor Joseph V. Doria Jr., who is also a state senator, said yesterday that September 11 Bayonne Remembers - the local memorial committee - has voted unanimously to choose Soviet artist Zurab Tsereteli to put the 100-foot tall monument on the city's waterfront, at the former Military Ocean Terminal, now known as the Peninsula at Bayonne Harbor.

    Doria recommended the artist to the committee after receiving a phone call from a close associate of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., endorsing his work, it was learned yesterday.

    Last month - after more than a year of debate and after complaints by Jersey City residents about the selection process, the design's artistic merits and the planned site for its installation on the Jersey City waterfront - city officials there turned down Tsereteli.

    The roughly nine-story monu- ment - a rectangular block with a fissure down the middle with a 40-foot glass teardrop suspended in it - is called "To the Struggle Against World Terrorism" and was originally slated to be installed at J. Owen Grundy Park in Jersey City, a pier extending into the Hudson River.

    Bayonne apparently had no problem with either the look of the memorial or the proposed location.

    Doria said the committee made the decision to go for it after meeting Wednesday in Bayonne with Vasily Tsereteli, the sculptor's grandson, and Fred Worstell, president of the Dresdner Robin Consulting Group, an engineering and surveying firm with offices in Jersey City.

    Also attending was Nancy Kist, executive director of the Bayonne Local Redevelopment Authority, which has jurisdiction over the proposed site for the monument.

    Frank Perrucci, chairman of the Bayonne memorial committee, said the sculptor and his associates would bear the cost of building the monument.

    "They told us, 'We'll take care of it,' so how could we not take it?" Perrucci said.

    Having seen a model last week, Perrucci said that the committee members were of one mind that "it's beautiful, it looks fantastic."

    Officials said the memorial will be made of steel and sheathed in bronze. It will sit on a 9-stepped, 11-sided black granite base. Inscribed on the platform in gold lettering will be the names of those who perished on Sept. 11, 2001 - at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and in Pennsylvania - and of those who died in the Feb. 26, 1993, attack on the World Trade Center.

    Nearby, there will be two plaques - one explaining that the memorial is a gift from the Russian people and its symbolism, and the other highlighting the names of at least 14 past and present Bayonne residents who died in the 1993 and 2001 terrorist attacks, officials said.

    Zurab Tsereteli, president of the Russian Academy of Arts, has offered this interpretation of his design: "The monument's form and clear outlines symbolize calm and peaceful life. At the same time, the core of the monument has a long, tragically curved split depicting the drama of the tragedy.

    "Inside the split is falling a big tear in honor of the victims of terrorist acts. The monument contains not only the memory for those who died but also the hope that the civilized world will be able to withstand the threat of mass terrorism. Fighting evil through art (and making life) more safe and beautiful is the principal idea of the new monument.

    Doria and Perrucci said the memorial would be installed in a two-acre park --yet to be built - in the northeast corner of the Peninsula, facing the site of the World Trade Center.

    Tsereteli has also offered to design the park for the BLRA.

    Tsereteli's works of art are on display at the United Nations in New York and across the globe, including in Rome, London, Moscow and Tbilisi, Seville and Tokyo.

    Although the memorial is being donated by Moscow and the people of Russia, Perrucci said the Bayonne memorial committee will continue to raise funds to cover costs associated with such items as the park's landscaping and brick pavers, which he said could be used as personalized memorials.

    "We hope to break ground for the memorial on the 9/11 anniversary date this year and finish construction in time for our first 9/11 observance at the site in 2006," Perrucci said.

    Asked how the memorial committee ended up connecting with the Soviet artist, Perrucci said that two women - Emily Madoff and Susan Thomases - had called Doria's office, on behalf of Tsereteli, recommending that Bayonne strongly consider his offer.

    That was confirmed by Joseph Waks, a legislative aide to Doria.

    Madoff, a senior partner with the law firm of Wolf Popper, in New York, who has represented such clients as Aeroflot Russian Airlines and has prosecuted class action litigation in consumer fraud cases, is representing Tsereteli in the United States and has previously declined to discuss her client's interests here.

    Thomases, who is a close friend of Senator Clinton and who has served as a lobbyist with the Washington law firm of Willkie Farr & Gallagher, campaigned and raised money for former President Bill Clinton and other high-profile Democrats and was among those who testified in the Whitewater hearings focusing on the Clintons' real estate deals in Arkansas.

    In a prepared statement, Doria congratulated Perrucci and the members of the memorial committee for having "worked hard for more than three years, raising funds and considering various design proposals. The committee has made an excellent choice."


    Wow I swear if Bayonne ever had an original idea, it would die of loneliness. lol I don't know what they are thinking.
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    It looks like a vagina with a drop of sperm.

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    Um.....


    Do you think anyone will forget 9-11?




    Do we really need so much to remember it? Seriously!

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    I agree with you I think it does nothing but remind us of the pain we went through that day. The tear makes it seem llike were always going to be grieving and never get over it. Horrible design and I'm appaled that Bayonne choose this, I thought they would care more at how they remeber the victims.

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    One thing we must ALL remember.

    The terrorists did this for two main reasons. First, to disrupt our lives. They wanted to cause us damage, force us to change, have some large effect on all of us, our life, our economy.

    Second, they wanted to be recognised and MEMORIALIZED.

    Every memorial and commemorative site, no matter how hard it tries to honor and remember our own, still pays homage to the death and destruction that these 19 men were SUCCESSFUL in committing!

    I do not need to know how many died in JC, how many in Bayonne, how many in Hoboken.

    I don't need to know how many PERIOD! I know it was a lot. But for some reason it is like a contest to see who can do the most remembering per capita.



    One final thing. Rememberance does not demand reliving the event. We only need a small reminder of this. Anything more is just weird.

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    EASY DOES IT, TON BY TON
    Russia's gift arrives in sections after sea voyage

    Tuesday, August 23, 2005
    By RONALD LEIR
    JOURNAL STAFF WRITER

    Loaded on five flatbed trailers and led by a police escort, giant sections of the so-called Teardrop Memorial to those who died in the World Trade Center attacks in 1993 and 2001 were transported yesterday to the Peninsula at Bayonne Harbor.

    There, the 100-foot-high, 170-ton monument will be assembled for a dedication planned for September 2006.

    Next month, Bayonne will hold a ceremony - tentatively scheduled for Sept. 16 - to unveil a commemorative stone engraving near where the monument will rise, declaring that the memorial is a gift from Russian President Vladimir Putin and the Russian people.

    The bronze sections of the monument - which its designer Zurab Tsereteli has named "To the Struggle Against World Terrorism" - reached the Global Terminal pier on the Jersey City/Bayonne border on Saturday after a three-week voyage, having left St. Petersburg in Russia on July 25.

    Getting the pieces of the sculpture to the Peninsula wasn't easy.

    Fred Worstell, president of Dresdner Robin, the Jersey City engineering firm hired to assemble the monument, said a special crane had to be brought to the Global pier to offload the several sections, which weighed between 28 and 63 tons apiece.

    The "teardrop" component alone weighs four tons, he said.

    But before the pieces could be released from the pier, they had to be checked for any traces of radiation by U.S. Customs, which reportedly had to get a special machine to do the screening.

    Finally, when they were declared clear to travel, the sections had to be lifted onto truck trailers for the final leg of the journey to the Peninsula. Trevcon, Inc., of Liberty Corner, was the general contractor in charge of the offloading operation and Lomma, Inc., was the subcontractor handling cranes and rigging.

    Vasily Tsereteli, the sculptor's grandson, accompanied the motorcade to the Peninsula, documenting the transport by shooting several photos.

    "It took one year to put this together," he said, explaining that a small wood model was assembled, then an enlarged plaster model was made, then the sculpture was shaped in a mold with welded metal.

    Then the mold was removed, bronze was poured over the sculpture and it was heated in a huge kiln.

    Still to be done is the engraving of the names of more than 3,000 people killed in the two attacks around the granite base of the monument, Tsereteli said.

    The names of Bayonne's dead will also be detailed on a separate memorial stone, he said.

    The monument will stand as the centerpiece of a waterfront vista park planned for a corner of the Peninsula.

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    Does anybody think that this would become a National Monument?!?!

    Also I would like the administrator to change the name of the thread from Jersey City 9/11 Memorial to Bayonne 9/11 Memorial if it all possible. Thank you.
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    If only they could come up with a fund for joyous public art.

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    I only skimmed the thread so I don't know if anyone has said this before

    IT SUCKS!

    Why don't they just build 100 foot twin towers so people could see what they looked like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCMAN320
    Does anybody think that this would become a National Monument?!?!

    Also I would like the administrator to change the name of the thread from Jersey City 9/11 Memorial to Bayonne 9/11 Memorial if it all possible. Thank you.
    This "artist", Zurab Tsereteli, (google him if you wish) is well known for putting up humongous, kitschy monstrosities of "sculptures" around the world, particularly in Moscow.

    I have no idea how the guy gets away with this, but I am happy that at least this piece of sad kitsch will be in Bayonne instead of Jersey City, at the tip of 2-mile long Marine Ocean Terminal, where it will hopefully blend in with the port cranes.

    National Monument my a$$.

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    Yea I def do not think this would achieve NM status.

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