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    Quote Originally Posted by BPC
    ... But that doesn't meant the war is not worth fighting. Frankly, civilization depends upon it.
    I hear what you are saying. Perhaps this country simply needs to "declare WAR" on radical fundamental Islamism rather than repeatedly calling what we are doing "war." If it is "war," declare it and identify the enemy, tell the country the mission and unleash the full arsenal of weapons. I find it annoying to hear the word "war" tossed about as a P.R. soundbite, when its meaning is serious and we haven't actually declared war on anyone, anything, any entity, or a named enemy. "The terrorists" threatening are our way of life with violence are radical fundamental Islamists. It is no one else. Why are we not defining the enemy?

    "War on Terror" is pure b.s. and creates a bogeyman enemy. We as a country want to kill lest we be killed by this enemy - let's state it in a formal declaration.

    Sorry to keep returning to this side topic, but the discussion is here, in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynRider
    I think we are dealing with impressionable youth here...
    Not so young if the Marines were an option for him back in the mid-90s.

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    If....

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    Well, at least it's an American company...

    N.J. firm awarded contract for WTC Memorial

    by Miriam Kreinin Souccar

    August 03, 2006

    E.E. Cruz won a $17 million contract to build the Memorial's foundations and footings, with work slated to strt later this month.

    The World Trade Center Memorial Foundation and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey have awarded the first major construction contract for the Memorial to Holmdel, N.J.-based E.E. Cruz.

    The $17 million contract will go to build the Memorial's foundations and footings. Work will begin later this month and be completed within the next year. The entire Memorial will be finished on schedule in 2009, officials say.

    The Memorial Foundation has come under fire for taking too long to raise the $500 million needed to build the Memorial. In May, Gretchen Dykstra resigned as president of the foundation.

    The Port Authority took over responsibility for construction of the Memorial, the Memorial Museum, and the Visitor Education and Orientation Center last month.

    Downtown officials say the contract should help push along the fundraising effort.

    "The award of this work is a definitive sign to our donors that the Memorial is being built," says Joseph Daniels, acting president of the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation.

    "The momentum that is being generated around the fifth anniversary provides a perfect opportunity for the public to step forward and help us raise the remaining $170 million needed for the successful completion of the Memorial and museum," he added.

    COPYRIGHT 2006 CRAIN COMMUNICATIONS INC.

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    First Big Contract Given for 9/11 Memorial

    By DAVID W. DUNLAP

    Published: August 4, 2006

    The first big construction contract for the 9/11 memorial — 118 footings from which the structure will rise within the deep hole at ground zero — was awarded yesterday by the Port Authority and the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation.

    Work is to begin this month, officials said. Last March, in a preparatory job that was then hailed by Gov. George E. Pataki as the start of “actual construction,” crews built protective enclosures around the remnants of the original perimeter columns that define the twin towers’ footprints. The memorial will occupy much of this area.

    E. E. Cruz & Company of Holmdel, N.J., won the $17 million contract. There were four bidders.

    The company built the foundations for the Goldman Sachs tower at 30 Hudson Street in Jersey City, which made use of a slurry wall like that at the trade center, and also built part of the AirTrain light-rail system that burrows below the runways at Kennedy International Airport.

    “This is the clearest sign yet that this memorial is actually being built, and it is a powerful signal to our donors,” said Joseph C. Daniels, the acting president of the foundation, which is to raise $300 million for the memorial and museum ($130 million down, $170 million to go).

    Less than a month ago, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the trade center site, agreed to take over construction of the memorial and museum, in the name of efficiency and economy.

    “We’re excited about this because it’s the very first step in our partnership with the memorial foundation,” said Kenneth J. Ringler Jr., the executive director of the authority. “The starting of the foundations is a significant step.”

    Last winter, bids came in unexpectedly high on an earlier footings contract put out by the foundation and the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation.

    The contract was shelved as officials began re-examining the overall cost estimates for the memorial. That process led them to modify the memorial design in order to meet a budget goal of $500 million.

    There are a total of 142 footings for the memorial and museum, Mr. Daniels said. The remaining footings will be covered by a subsequent contract.

    From 5,000 to 10,000 cubic yards of dirt will be removed from the site through drilling, blasting and excavation, said Edward Cruz, the president of the Cruz company. The holes will reach bedrock, 4 to 10 feet below the lowermost level of the memorial. Concrete will be poured into those holes, into which about 500 tons of reinforcing steel will also be set. These concrete and steel footings will support the structure above.

    The job is to be finished next March.

    Mr. Cruz recalled yesterday that his workers were building the foundations for the Goldman Sachs tower on Sept. 11, 2001, when they watched the terror unfold across the Hudson River. The company then sent equipment to Lower Manhattan to help in the cleanup, he said.

    So the memorial project has a special resonance, Mr. Cruz said. “It’s something all our people want: to go back and finish the job.”

    Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianoman11686
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    First Big Contract Given for 9/11 Memorial
    The job is to be finished next March.
    Ah damnit, when I first saw this at the bottom of the page I thought they were talking about the whole thing, and was pleasantly surprised. Still a good sign though.

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    A the risk of getting myself whacked ...

    A construction company from Jersey got this contract?

    ( although e e cruz does have a classy website )

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    30 Hudson Street



    Type of Work: Foundation
    Location: Jersey City, New Jersey
    Owner: Goldman Sachs
    Project Manager: Joe Malandro

    EE Cruz & Company, Inc.
    A heavy construction firm known for the innovative use of technologically advanced equipment, shown here jacking pipe into position utilizing the micro-tunneling method.

    Last edited by lofter1; August 4th, 2006 at 12:00 AM.

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    Hmmm, imagine.

    NJ, contractors, government job...


    Nah, that would never happen!

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    Hey Ninja, don't even think about messin' with EE Cruz. They're from Holmdel, and we're a pretty well-behaved bunch over here...

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    Living in wholesome Hoboken must have made me suspicious of any "outsiders"....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greater NYC
    It has reminded me that there are so many out there that still don't get it. Too bad.... you won't hear from me again on this thread.

    God Bless America
    Oh how I love the "don't get it" quote. That is typically the words used by the few people who believe most of the site should be turned into their personal grieving space. They have ridden the sympathy of this nation for their own excessively selfish materialist agenda. Anyone who won't play along with this massive emotional black mail doesn't "get it".

    And by the way, tossing "God Bless America" at the end of a rant doesn't indicate that the person really has any clue about what is good for America or what god would want. It's a cheap way of inplying that anyone who disagrees is somehow anti American, or worse, anti god!

    In fact, it's kind of like the Islamists who shout Allah's name before crashing into the WTC. Saying god's name doesn't justify an act or validate an idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninjahedge
    Now, back to the memorial. It is a MEMORIAL, NOT a graveyard. As soon as you denote it as such, you have relegated the entire site as a casualty of a philosophical war with no clear front line and no clear end.

    ...

    Time to stick the cone on our head and let our body heal up.
    This discussion of the memorial and graveyards was very well stated and captured a core element of what is happening at the WTC. If there were some who didn't quite follow the ideas and logic you presented, well, Ninjahedge, I wouldn't worry about it. They just don't get it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by davestanke
    Oh how I love the "don't get it" quote. That is typically the words used by the few people who believe most of the site should be turned into their personal grieving space. They have ridden the sympathy of this nation for their own excessively selfish materialist agenda. Anyone who won't play along with this massive emotional black mail doesn't "get it".

    And by the way, tossing "God Bless America" at the end of a rant doesn't indicate that the person really has any clue about what is good for America or what god would want. It's a cheap way of inplying that anyone who disagrees is somehow anti American, or worse, anti god!

    In fact, it's kind of like the Islamists who shout Allah's name before crashing into the WTC. Saying god's name doesn't justify an act or validate an idea.
    Wery well put.

    Speaking of "don't get it", I don't get why many people are very rallied up on war on terrorism and support bombing any country even remotely related to it, yet they wish that the World Trade Center site is surrendered to the terrorists, in a sense that it becomes one enormous permanent wound that no longer contributes anything to the city besides an enormous grieving space.

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    Give it a rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob
    OK, so the dinosaurs ARE extinct. Fact of life. Doesn't mean I have to like it. The "memorials" will go in, as planned. But, geesh! What a sorry substitute for the real deal!! The space belongs to the Twin Towers. The Twin Towers! Which need to be REBUILT! How can any of us face ourselves in the mirror, knowing that we collectively cow-towed to a bunch of MURDERERS, by pretty-up a hole in the ground that THEY caused?! Five years later, and I'm just as ANGRY as the moment I looked out the window from my office at JFK Airport, and saw the Towers on fire. History took a wrong turn on 9/11, and we need to set things straight by REBUILDING the TWIN TOWERS. These waterfalls a "memorial?" NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!!
    ^^^ That sounds so 2003...

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